Politics Balkanian disagreements.

[Yetos]

Serbia was created by the intervention of the foreign powers especially Russia. Read the Russian- Turkish treaty of Bucharest, and many others. The same goes for the Greek,Romanian,Montenegro, Bulgarian independence . When the Albanian lands which were under the ottoman invasion , in 1912 were military attacked by the troops of Bulgaria, Montenegro, Greece and Serbia, with the support of Russia of course . Albania was not yet an independent state, so it was impossible to fight against four state armies within the same time. You sow what happened the last war

When Balkanic countries started to liberated, you wanted and served Ottoman empire, from Orlov's revolt at 1700 till 1912 you were and suported ottomans,
as true children of Ballaban pasha.
even at 1912 many in Albania supported the WEST TURKEY state,
it was K Vlore who studied in Greece and wrote many in his newspaper, that turn you to Albanians,

 

[Sile]

I never said that there are different Gods. God had sent prophets since the first times of human kind. All the pagan religions generally are related with the Abraham's religions. I think Zeus includes either. During the course of history the pagan religions were deformed from the first way of worshiping the God . That's why are called pagans.

to conclude then , the ancient stone-age people, the ancient egyptians, greeks, romans, norse etc etc prayed to the same God as we do today................so whats the point of these religious battles currently happening today?............it must logically be only some religious leader fascist mentality , don't you agree!

 

[Rethel]

As good Muslim you use taqiyya.

Taqiyya isn't a problem.
Every one who knows the Bible, will see very well, that Koran is a joke... and a mass...
Hadiths... they were produced in such large numbers, that we can recreate every minute of the life of Mohammed...
So... obvious is, that Islam is fabricate, and it wasn't even done to cleverly...

 

[Rethel]

to conclude then , the ancient stone-age people, the ancient egyptians, greeks, romans, norse etc etc prayed to the same God as we do today................so whats the point of these religious battles currently happening today?............it must logically be only some religious leader fascist mentality , don't you agree!

Not at all... even if at the beginning everyone was praing to the same God, after many centuries people
create their own traditions, customs, myths based on their own imagination, and do not do, what is right
and godly. So... every pagan religion must be elimitane as a fraud, because they teach bad and sometimes
awefull things, and never were able to create a free and developed civilisation.

Here is a small probe of pagan society: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26016-African-Culture-compared-to-European

Very interesting thread.

If you think that everything is the same, I advice you to live there or maybe in aztec-maya times...

 

[Yetos]

Yes, the king of Egypt was an Albanian pasha who rebelled against the ottomans and became the king of Egypt. All the serious scholars agreed about the Hyllirians- Albanian continuity . Of course except some Serb and Russian nationalist scholars. Albanians were first mentioned at the second century ad (150ad ) on the same territory were they live today. They were one of too many Hyllirian tribes of that time. Read more before claiming stuff.

Albanians were mentioned by Maximus of Moesia in the Getan tribes, in Romania
Germidava was a Getan colony,

there is no continue among Illyrians and Albanians

 

[Sile]

Not at all... even if at the beginning everyone was praing to the same God, after many centuries people
create their own traditions, customs, myths based on their own imagination, and do not do, what is right
and godly. So... every pagan religion must be elimitane as a fraud, because they teach bad and sometimes
awefull things, and never were able to create a free and developed civilisation.

Here is a small probe of pagan society: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26016-African-Culture-compared-to-European

Very interesting thread.

If you think that everything is the same, I advice you to live there or maybe in aztec-maya times...

you fail to understand............ the ultimate thing is for a person to pray to God, that is the sole aim, don't you agree?...............then customs, traditions, myths etc etc...mean nothing they count for nothing .
The only other avenue for a person is ....they do not believe in God.

 

[Garrick]

Taqiyya isn't a problem.

I appreciate people as is Riffian, because he emphases he is Muslim, he is open, and dialog with him is interesting.

But if someone is Muslim and hides, or attempts to apply taqiyya, than there is no serious talk.

 

[Rethel]

you fail to understand............ the ultimate thing is for a person to pray to God, that is the sole aim, don't you agree?...............then customs, traditions, myths etc etc...mean nothing they count for nothing .

I'm not agree at all. This is a deistic or agnostic point of view...
It doesn't matter if someone prays, if he do not do what is right.

The only other avenue for a person is ....they do not believe in God.

It is of course the most stupid idea, but if someone want to...
God is not forbidding anyone to not belive in him...

 

[Ike]

I'm not agree at all. This is a deistic or agnostic point of view...
It doesn't matter if someone prays if he do not do what is right.

But it doesn't matter what you do, because there is no other God than the one that is

 

[Rethel]

But it doesn't matter what you do, because there is no other God than the one that is

Yea, I get it, but the point of Sile was:

"so whats the point of these religious battles currently happening today?"

And I aswered to this problem

 

[Sile]

Yea, I get it, but the point of Sile was:

"so whats the point of these religious battles currently happening today?"

And I aswered to this problem

If I had to pick which religion comes close to the way I see religion it would be

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism

with the inclusion of .........once religion is taught to a child, then further teachings are irrelevant and should not be practised and also sees religion as a private personnel agenda.

 

[Garrick]

so at least you admit the burn down of Moschopolis (relatives in law comes from there)
but what about Durres? first was Aromanian Speakers, second Greeks then Albanians what now?come onj
come on admit it, Goranje people when come to Greece say we are muslim Slavs, and they are >10% of population,
AT LEAST FACE THE TRUTH ONCE,

Several centuries from the start a new era Balkans was depopulated. On other side area of today's Moldavia, Romania, South Western Ukraine, etc. became full of different tribes, "big crowded", including newcomers from Central Asia.

Several Free Dacians tribes, Albanian origin, started migrations, and one of big part came to today's Albania. Romanian scientists think from these tribes most probably Carpi and Costoboci are Albanians, but it is possible there are more.

In present day Albania before coming of Carpi, Costoboci or other Albanian tribes mostly lived Armanji and Greeks.

 

[Ike]

If you know how it works, why you are still poor underdog? Use your knowledge for your benefit finally.

OMG, not again As, I've told you couple of times Le Brok, I don't want to compete with you in your game. How can you not understand that? It's the game you invented and keep it for yourself.

Just as you would not compete for the love of Ricky Martin, and would not be depressed for being labeled as a total outsider in his reality show called "Choosing my sex slave", neither do most of us feel anything towards the kind words you've just sent to me. But what I simply cannot understand, is that an adult and educated person like you, would not accept that someone's constant insistence of us playing his game, is so blatant and aggressive that defending from it it is not only annoying, but time and resource consuming to the point that it is exhausting. Do you understand that most of the reason why we feel bad in this country is not for "being the underdog in your game", but because we're constantly being pushed around to do what we don't want?

Imagine you like playing tennis. How would you feel with a neighbour that is stealing you balls, coming at night and cutting you net, digging the holes in your field, and dropping bowling balls on you from his terrace, intercepting your children on the way from school and convincing them that tennis is bad and evil and that bowling is for "real men", etc? I hope that you now have the idea, what I feel about your (and most of the western) countries, that you will finally stop giving these kinds of comments, and that the sole reason that we cannot enjoy more in our tennis game is because we're constantly dealing with s**t you're throwing at us.

 

[LeBrok]

OMG, not again As, I've told you couple of times Le Brok, I don't want to compete with you in your game. How can you not understand that? It's the game you invented and keep it for yourself.

Just as you would not compete for the love of Ricky Martin, and would not be depressed for being labeled as a total outsider in his reality show called "Choosing my sex slave", neither do most of us feel anything towards the kind words you've just sent to me. But what I simply cannot understand, is that an adult and educated person like you, would not accept that someone's constant insistence of us playing his game, is so blatant and aggressive that defending from it it is not only annoying, but time and resource consuming to the point that it is exhausting. Do you understand that most of the reason why we feel bad in this country is not for "being the underdog in your game", but because we're constantly being pushed around to do what we don't want?

Your game is gone! Yugoslavia is gone, socialism is gone. What the hell you're playing now?!!!

Imagine you like playing tennis. How would you feel with a neighbour that is stealing you balls, coming at night and cutting you net, digging the holes in your field, and dropping bowling balls on you from his terrace, intercepting your children on the way from school and convincing them that tennis is bad and evil and that bowling is for "real men", etc? I hope that you now have the idea, what I feel about your (and most of the western) countries, that you will finally stop giving these kinds of comments, and that the sole reason that we cannot enjoy more in our tennis game is because we're constantly dealing with s**t you're throwing at us.

Well, exactly how Bosnia, Slovenia and Croatia felt about your game of arrogance and bestiality. Now even Serbs don't what to play "your" game. You are a lonely and bitter player of some archaic game that no one want to play and doesn't exist. Wake up. Don't be a zombie.

If you like your old crazy game so much, you can always go to Cuba or North Korea to enjoy it. They execute homosexuals, and bureaucrats behave like psychopaths. You will love it.

 

[Ike]

Your game is gone! Yugoslavia is gone, socialism is gone. What the hell you're playing now?!!!

Yes, I know my country is gone. I always get reminded when I'm on the internet by random people:





Your country helped it being destroyed. Smashed it into pieces, killed our citizens and occupied it. At least there are still some decent people it the West that admit your involvment in this neo-nazi crime.
https://www.thetrumpet.com/literature/1706/germanys-conquest-of-the-balkans

Well, exactly how Bosnia, Slovenia and Croatia felt about your game of arrogance and bestiality. Now even Serbs don't what to play "your" game. You are a lonely and bitter player of some archaic game that no one want to play and doesn't exist. Wake up. Don't be a zombie.

Ask your NATO president about that. He is the one who played it best.

If you like your old crazy game so much, you can always go to Cuba or North Korea to enjoy it. They execute homosexuals, and bureaucrats behave like psychopaths. You will love it.

You are so obsessed with your bipolar world view, that you still don't get it that I don't care about communism, and I don't want it. I am not talking about that. Can't you get it? Why is it so hard for you to get out of that shell?

 

[Piro Ilir]

He was a Muslim terrorist coming here to kill Christians. That's what he was.

We all know that Vatican and CIA propaganda built you a fault excuse around Milosevic to go round and kill Orthodox and destroy monasteries. If Milosevich wanted Kosovo by force he could have cleansed it in 1990 in a week without a single crime. Don't give that s*it to me. It's like saying that USA army couldn't handle Mexican immigrants in Texas, but had to battle them for 10 years. The only problem Yugoslavs had was that Milosevic was a peaceful man and wanted reintegration of Albanians into normal European society, without acknowledging their real goals. As far as my knowledge goes about alternative options in the parliament of Serbia, if anyone else was the head of the state, today would probably be no Albanians on Kosovo. Only one who didn't care for religion was a Milosevic as an ideological communist, and he was your savior.

The mother of my friend was an orthodox. His two grand parents which raised him were orthodox. So I don't see why he should killed the orthodox.
Although Milosevic got jailed by the international court, so everything about him today is clear. There was no a possibility that anyone else from the Serbian government could made on kosova any cleansing. The situation throughout Yugoslavia ended better for the Serbs, trust me. There was the risk that Serbia to loose parts of her territory. They ended good. [emoji6]

 

[Piro Ilir]

As good Muslim you use taqiyya. But in today's time of Internet even people in Amazonia know for it. Jizya is obligatory upon dihimmis, it is mandated by the Quran and the Hadits.

I never said that I am a good Muslim, I am not, but I try at least. God knows.
My religion belongs only to me.
I was saying that there were taxes for the Muslims either. Not only for the Christians. But we are talking about 1300 years ago

 

[Piro Ilir]

You don't know history.

Albanians were main Turkish allies in the Balkans. Muslim Albanian pashas, begs, fighters were active participants against Balkan Christians, and not only Balkan. For example attacker on the Vienna, Kara Mustafa Pasha was ethnic Albanian, but he and his troops 150,000 had hard defeat, big winner were Polish king John III Sobieski and Vienna's defenders.

Russia was against Serbia in II Balkan war, and in the side of Bulgaria. According plans Bulgaria wanted Vardar's Macedonia, even any Albanian territories and Aegean sea. Greece and Serbia were the only allies, but Greek/Serbian forces were prepared and more motivated.

When the Albanian lord Scanderbeg was trying to join his ally the Hunyadi, lord of Hungary, on the battlefield against the ottomans, the scanderbeg army was blocked by the Serb lord of the Serbian principality. The Serbs not allowed the scanderbeg to pass through the Serbian principality. The Serbs were among the allies of ottomans. They helped the ottomans against the Hungarians and against the Albanians. The sister of the Serb lord was the wife of sultan [emoji23] . Although all this Scanderbeg with his army destroyed the Serbs and passed through Serbia, but it was too late for the battle. The damage was done. The battle was won by the ottomans unfortunately.
Only during the end of the ottoman empire the Serbs forgot for their old allies. [emoji57] [emoji6]

 

[Yetos]

Jesus, is the most important prophet of Koran. This is not mentioned today form the imams generally because of the politics. During the life of Prophet Mohammad christians and Hebrews were treated equally with the Muslims. ( by the standards of the time) . They were not discriminated. After the death of prophet, the four caliphs after him were elected. After the assassination of the last caliph imam Ali, the Caliphate became a monarchy. Since that time till today, there was not a real Caliphate, because the prophet said that the caliph should be elected.

come on

we all know history,

jews and christians had to pay a tax to live nearby the 'prophet'
and all non monotheists had to convert or die,
even today at 2015 Islam try to convert or kill the Yezidi via Daesh
They attack Yezidi at 2015 cause they are not monotheists in the 'land of prophet'
come on, face the truth once in your life,


QURAN 9:29

the people of the bible pay jizya with willing admision and they are subdued themshelves,
pay jizyah or cizye to be harac, harash a written license to live one year more,

we are not kids at an Albanian school

even at 1834 that tax existed, estimated +- 1200 years after the 'prophet' RIP

 

[Yetos]

The mother of my friend was an orthodox. His two grand parents which raised him were orthodox. So I don't see why he should killed the orthodox.
Although Milosevic got jailed by the international court, so everything about him today is clear. There was no a possibility that anyone else from the Serbian government could made on kosova any cleansing. The situation throughout Yugoslavia ended better for the Serbs, trust me. There was the risk that Serbia to loose parts of her territory. They ended good. [emoji6]

I think you never worked for USA goverment, as you told us,
neithr you understand what is behind Kossovo case,
or you know and you hide it even from your shelf,
soon you will have to face it, and is not big Albania, it is something different,