Basque and Berber

[Carlos]

Carlos, I'm giving you hereby an informal warning to stop with your bigotry against the Basques.

What an outrage!, I am researching to reach a conclusion, I glass on historical information and data that exist today, I can compare them and come to a conclusion. Make no mistake, I'm talking at all times of old, probably the majority of Basques already have very little actual genetics of those "men of various races," citing the classics and those who have inherited that for me is a dialect of Berber.

On the modern Basques have not yet begun to talk, if you want to do.

Greetings, we will continue talking to the night now I have three hours to eat before a job and I have no desire indigestible.

Thanks for seeing me and very friendly.

 

[Knovas]

And here we go again with the "men of various races", which as I pointed above could mean many different things due to its ambiguousness. No need to say that, genetically speaking, there's little or nothing supporting such claim in the Basques. Obviously Carlos has serious problems with all type of non Spanish Nationalism in the Peninsula (as attested by other posts), so if I were you Taranis I'd prefer to focus the discussion in the non biased opinions.

By the way, what it's clear to me at least, is that in genetic terms it's difficult to find the connection with the language. Possibly we'll never know the exact origins.

 

[Wilhelm]

So many experts, who know nothing of the Celtiberian and still dream of that Basque came from the Cro-Magnons, historical facts, historical chronicles, or good for nothing known in addition to the absence of archaeological remains, leading to a path that is another an African origin for the Basque and a pike in Flanders do not want to lose some skilful political grounds, because it's something that locks the Berber dialect study sponge hundreds of words in their environment, which further complicates their study .

Plese, stay with facts. The highest concentration of paleolithic mtDNA U5 has been found in modern Northern Navarrese (basque speakers) at 15-17%, also mtDNA H1,H2, and V is high in all the cantabrian-pyrenees fringe.

 

[Knovas]

I personally tend to think that Basques are less Paleolithic than the average Iberians due to R1b influence, but I'll keep cautious waiting for more data. Anyways, they are largely European in autosomal results, doesn't matter what the influence is.

 

[Carlos]

And here we go again with the "men of various races", which as I pointed above could mean many different things due to its ambiguousness. No need to say that, genetically speaking, there's little or nothing supporting such claim in the Basques. Obviously Carlos has serious problems with all type of non Spanish Nationalism in the Peninsula (as attested by other posts), so if I were you Taranis I'd prefer to focus the discussion in the non biased opinions.

By the way, what it's clear to me at least, is that in genetic terms it's difficult to find the connection with the language. Possibly we'll never know the exact origins.

In research I am conducting on the Basque language is necessary to collect all the information on the topic, Sabino Arana version or the Basque nationalists, Nordic 19th century who, oddly enough their ideas and thoughts are still based.

I do not consider to be taboo any way forward in the investigation, obviously now after so many centuries of research no specialist has succeeded in giving a good result on the issue of Basque origin, perhaps because they take risks and as seeing here is an attempt to create taboos that hinder research.

I hope I have left my position clear and not twist again about my interests. The important thing is to find the truth at any cost.

And in view of the results on the Basque language, now I have more credibility to the historical chronicles and interested party's opinion of 19 century northern and of course much more than those of Sabino Arana and Basque nationalists today.

And I think the Romans had experience with tribes and races, are not you going to make people believe that the Romans mistook a tribe where 20 have black hair and brown 10 3 blonde with the epithet of "people of various races," Sorry, but I will not confess millstones.

You know there are things that foreigners are escapes, subtleties and Spain do not realize nobody believes the Nationalists and high doses of victimhood, and not have to be taboo, as the nationalists have said many things without demonstrating and there is no reason that can not be refuted their arguments without anyone to believe that they are being attacked, and they know this very well used, use victimhood to shut mouths, thankfully in Spain and they do not, so I hope the same will happen in Europe.

 

[Carlos]

Plese, stay with facts. The highest concentration of paleolithic mtDNA U5 has been found in modern Northern Navarrese (basque speakers) at 15-17%, also mtDNA H1,H2, and V is high in all the cantabrian-pyrenees fringe.

What are the concentrations in Lima (Peru), and what language they speak? or Haiti, the Philippines, Canary Islands. In ancient stories say that 3% of Arabs were able to turn an entire country to Islam.

I think tying the issue of Basque the only genetic data is just stuck in the investigation continue.

 

[Taranis]

I personally tend to think that Basques are less Paleolithic than the average Iberians due to R1b influence, but I'll keep cautious waiting for more data. Anyways, they are largely European in autosomal results, doesn't matter what the influence is.

Well, I brought this up above regarding the non-IE vocabulary of Basque. Although we have no way to test which part of the vocabulary is "native", I think that it is fairly unlikely that Basque is a Paleolithic/Mesolithic language because that would mean that it had borrowed all it's vocabulary for farming and domesticated animals. I think it makes more sense if Basque is actually a Neolithic language which later on picked up other non-IE terms (horse, metal-working) during the Copper Age.

 

[Carlos]

The same term to read and gather are similar in modern Basque, same view as in German and Latin, probably a vision and took the Basque term borrowed from Latin. Dismissing all the "pay for lacking" that must acquire other languages ​​Basque everything about jobs and development must be the key to the Celtiberian language.

 

[Carlos]

Plese, stay with facts. The highest concentration of paleolithic mtDNA U5 has been found in modern Northern Navarrese (basque speakers) at 15-17%, also mtDNA H1,H2, and V is high in all the cantabrian-pyrenees fringe.

It is an example of human migrations in the area of the subject at hand and taking into account the continuing thereafter emigration movements in Spain itself, Romans, Visigoths, Muslim era, America until even after the expulsion of the-Muslims what credible relationship can have the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups cited in connection with the Basque language which gives an unproven old to date?, also noted that mitochondrial DNA may be responsible for the acquisition of Basque new words and better, in what may be grammatical constructions, and that if I keep my Basque origin hypothesis in a more archaic Iberian extra component would have to look to the DNA rather than mitochondrial, and if we consider that and should be a DNA varied according to the chronicles plus Roman also take into account all migrations into Iberia, Hispania and Spain, plus the fact that the heirs of more primitive Basque language today would not have the same DNA and that people that Hubis taken that language to the area, based on the DNA to justify business as usual, has not been moved or a leaf, would be like finding a needle in a haystack to find the DNA and those that led to the foreign dialect area north of modern Spain.

Los contactos de la cultura Argárica también se extienden hacia el Guadalquivir, dando lugar más tarde a Tartessos. Las penetraciones a través del Pirineo de otras culturas es constante y durará centenares de años. El impacto de estas migraciones es mayor en el interior y norte de la península que todavía no tiene el desarrollo de la zona meridional. Los nuevos pobladores son diestros en la explotación y fabricación de instrumentos de hierro. Las oleadas de inmigrantes se acercan por dos puntos: por las actuales Navarra y País Vasco por un lado, y por la zona oriental hasta Cataluña por otro. Traen mejores técnicas agrícolas y ocupan los espacios de la Meseta que son los que menos población tienen en esos momentos. Usaron los yacimientos de hierro del norte de España, y aplicaron la cultura cerealista y una ganadería extensiva. Siendo dominantes en el centro y parte noroccidental de España, lograron finalmente ser la clase dirigente en la zona de norte del Mediterráneo español, mientras que las culturas del sur y del sureste permanecieron más ajenas.