Fire Haired
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- R1b Df27(Spain)
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- U5b2a2(Prussia)
Sorry Fire Haired but here I agree with MOEASAN. There is really no reason to believe that R* haplogroups were mongoloid. In one of your other post you even implied that R1 people where "Caucasified by R2 people but now you call all R people mongolid.
The thing is Any R haplogroup is exclusively connected to West Eurasian autosomal DNA. All R people are Caucasian or have a part Caucasian history (like Turkic tribes in Central Asia who have paternal Iranian ancestry).
As I said earlier, I believe just like Moeasan, that most NOP were neither Caucasian nor Mongolid. They had characteristics of both. With R people becoming Caucasian while O East Asian and N and Q people depending on sub clades something in between while leaning slightly more towards East Asians.
Study Human Y DNA family tree R is MONGLIOD!!!!! R1b1a2a1a L11 became 50% of western European y DNA with the migration of Germanic Italo Celts which started only 5,000ybp. R1a1a1b1 Z283 became around 30-60% in most of eastern and central Europe with the spread of Corded ware culture and Balto Slavic languages starting a little over 5,000ybp. R1a1a1b2 became popular in asia with the migration of Indo Iranian and Tocharian speakers out of Yamna culture which started at the earliest 5,000ybp. There deifntley would have been some people around Russia and Ukriane 6,000-8,000ybp with close to 100% R1a1a1 M417. And R1b1a2a L23 and R1b1a2a2 Z2103 is about 20-40% in Caucus, Anatolia, Iraq, and western Iran and probably is not of Indo European origin but Is definitely connected with Germanic Italo Celtic R1b1a2a1a L11. If you take out Indo European migrations R would be very unpopular in Eurasia. I claim that R was originally mongliod and mixed with Caucasians and formed a branch R2 maybe also R1 or maybe that was Mongliod then mixed with Caucasians. R1a probably originated in Europe and R1b around Iran or somewhere else in the Near east. I already have showed you how Caucasians and Mongliods are not that realted like so many have assumed it is the Black looking people in southern asia and Austrilla who are extremely related to Mongliods. The split between Oceania MOngliod and Caucasian Y DNA lineages most likely happened with y DNA IJK and LT I think came out of India. What is weird is Indians or south Asians mtDNA and Y DNA fit with Oceania Mongliod also in globe13 their group called south Asian does not fit with Oceania Mongliod, Caucasian, or sub sharan African families a little closer to Oceania Mongliod. But they have Caucasian skull shape it is very confusing. But since Oceania have black skin and nappy hair like sub sharan Africans and it seemd to me that is what the first humans would have. Then why are South Asians a kind of mysterious branch of the human family tree and if anything most related to Oceania Mongliod have totally Caucasian features.