bicicleur 2
Regular Member
- Messages
- 6,369
- Reaction score
- 1,403
- Points
- 113
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature currently requires accessing the site using the built-in Safari browser.
(...) chemical tracers in the remains suggest that most of the Tollense warriors came from hundreds of kilometers away. The isotopes in your teeth reflect those in the food and water you ingest during childhood, which in turn mirror the surrounding geology - a marker of where you grew up. Retired University of Wisconsin, Madison, archaeologist Doug Price analyzed strontium, oxygen, and carbon isotopes in 20 teeth from Tollense. Just a few showed values typical of the northern European plain (...) The other teeth came from farther afield (...) “The range of isotope values is really large,” he says. “We can make a good argument that the dead came from a lot of different places.” Further clues come from isotopes of another element, nitrogen, which reflect diet. Nitrogen isotopes in teeth from some of the men suggest they ate a diet heavy in millet (...) “This is not a bunch of local idiots,” says Joachim Burger. “It’s a highly diverse population.” As University of Aarhus’s Vandkilde puts it: “It’s an army like the one described in Homeric epics, made up of smaller war bands that gathered to sack Troy”—an event thought to have happened fewer than 100 years later, in 1184 B.C.E. That suggests an unexpectedly widespread social organization, Jantzen says. “To organize a battle like this over tremendous distances and gather all these people in one place was a tremendous accomplishment,” (...)
no, it was about the same, the Tollense massacre
but indeed attacking a trade convoy shouldn't make thousands of victims
I have no clear view on this other than it's a fantastic find and i hope the whole battlefield is dug.
I wouldn't be surprised if through some kind of domino effect its somehow connected to the same event(s) that sparked the Sea Peoples (but it could equally well be a dozen other things).
As a Tolkein fan to me it has a "Battle of Five Armies" vibe to it - like two coalitions rather than two sides - but that's just gut feelz.
love it
I bet there was a big flood from this river close by, right after the battle, covering bodies and weapons with thick layer of mud. That's why it all was preserved so well. Otherwise bodies would be buried after the battle and precious weapons collected by winners.note that it is accidently that these bones have been preserved by the right soil conditions
there may have been many more battle fields that didn't leave any traces
it is very interesting indeed, hope to hear more about it in the future
In 2013, geomagnetic surveys revealed evidence of a 120-meter-long bridge or causeway stretching across the valley. Excavated over two dig seasons, the submerged structure turned out to be made of wooden posts and stone. Radiocarbon dating showed that although much of the structure predated the battle by more than 500 years, parts of it may have been built or restored around the time of the battle, suggesting the causeway might have been in continuous use for centuries—a well-known landmark.
“The crossing played an important role in the conflict. Maybe one group tried to cross and the other pushed them back,” Terberger says. “The conflict started there and turned into fighting along the river.”
it looks like a conflict over trade routes
and it was an ideal location for an ambush
One aspect of that is in later times such a critical crossing point nearly always had a castle nearby to control/protect/tax trade so I wonder if this one did also?
Is there an ancient Troyberg on some nearby high ground?
no, no cities, no settlements nothing nearby
This thread has been viewed 22637 times.