Celts from Iberia

[Robert22]

not out of the nowhere, they were indoeuropeans and settled in Iberia, just like germanic people settled in scandinavia and migrated southwards.
also the map taranis posted, i dont know, it is all very confusing, i am not not sure which theory to beliefe, central european origin or iberian.

 

[julia90]

just like germanic people settled in scandinavia and migrated southwards.

and infact their ethnogenesis is in scandinavia not germany; like the celtic formation is in central europe and not in spain

 

[Robert22]

well if it would be that clear.. then uhh why are some guys even believing in the iberian theory then ? I am sure they have a reason for that. and you cant totally throw away the iberian theory, it might is true. and infact, it is new to me that central europeans are celtic, they are mainly germanic.

source: Macamaio
Most celtic countries of europe:

1.Ireland : about 75% of Y-DNA
2.Spain & Wales : about 70%
3.Scotland : about 65%
4.France & Portugal : about 55%
5.Italy : about 40%
6.Switzerland, Belgium & England : about 35%
7.Germany : about 25%
8.Netherlands & Denmark : about 20%

Switzerland reaches 35% so lets say on average central europe has about 30%. spain still has lot more of celtic DNA.

 

[julia90]

well if it would be that clear.. then uhh why are some guys even believing in the iberian theory then ? I am sure they have a reason for that. and you cant totally throw away the iberian theory, it might is true. and infact, it is new to me that central europeans are celtic, they are mainly germanic.

source: Macamaio
Most celtic countries of europe:

1.Ireland : about 75% of Y-DNA
2.Spain & Wales : about 70%
3.Scotland : about 65%
4.France & Portugal : about 55%
5.Italy : about 40%
6.Switzerland, Belgium & England : about 35%
7.Germany : about 25%
8.Netherlands & Denmark : about 20%

Switzerland reaches 35% so lets say on average central europe has about 30%. spain still has lot more of celtic DNA.

R1b is only a single insignificant portion of autosomal dna, and it's sujected to founder effects etc..

infact france and scotland are way more celtic than spain lol

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

R1b is only a single insignificant portion of autosomal dna, and it's sujected to founder effects etc..

infact france and scotland are way more celtic than spain lol

How so? Do you know there are several Celtic markers and RL-21 (found primarily in the British Isles) is just the most recent mutation. You seem to want to diminish Celticity in Iberia. Why? Iberia was 75% Celtic at high point. Do some research and take off the blinders.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

it's the contrary, celts arrived from eastwards settled in central europe and migrated westwards.. what you said instead it's unlikely, they arrived eastwards, then from nowhere they appeared in spain, and from there they re-emigrated again eastwards.. very improbable.

Spain is a close end bottle at the very fringe of europe.. while the celtics expansion cover almost all of europe.. switzerland-southeastfrance-sothwest germany it's more of an easier crossroads for people to acced in nearly all corners of europe like celts did

You are becoming borderline ridiculous. It is exceedingly obvious you have a severe problem with Iberian Celticity. LMAO!! Read the research on Tartessian and the latest Celtic studies as regards Iberia. Also, carefully read what Taranis wrote.

 

[julia90]

How so? Do you know there are several Celtic markers and RL-21 (found primarily in the British Isles) is just the most recent mutation. You seem to want to diminish Celticity in Iberia. Why? Iberia was 75% Celtic at high point. Do some research and take off the blinders.

And?, i've never denied celts arrived in spain, but the thing i deny is that they origin is in spain and not in central europe; it's false that they originated in spain, while it's true they migrated in spain from central europe.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Read what Taranis wrote. It is more likely that TWO centers of Celticity existed, Central Europe and Iberia / Atlantic facade. It's well known that there was extensive commercial and social exchange in Atlantic Europe during the Bronze Age and Celtic likely developed in the region as a lingua franca.

 

[julia90]

Read what Taranis wrote. It is more likely that TWO centers of Celticity existed, Central Europe and Iberia / Atlantic facade. It's well known that there was extensive commercial and social exchange in Atlantic Europe during the Bronze Age and Celtic likely developed in the region as a lingua franca.

indeed, this is true, celts spreaded from la tene to france, from there to spain and the british isles, and from the british isles and the french shores again via maritime contact to spain.

But the original homelands of the celts, and the pace from which they departed in all europe coprised france the british isles and spain is in La tene area

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

indeed, this is true, celts spreaded from la tene to france, from there to spain and the british isles, and from the british isles and the french shores again via maritime contact to spain.

But the original homelands of the celts, and the pace from which they departed in all europe coprised france the british isles and spain is in La tene area

Wrong. You are relying on theories that no longer can be buttressed satisfactorily. The latest evidence shows there were likely two areas of Celticity: the Atlantic Facade and Central Europe. Tartessian (SW Iberia Script) is the oldest attested Celtic language, older than Lepontic. So how can you assert that Central Europe was THE origination point for Celticity? Talk to the people at the University of Wales...

 

[zanipolo]

I do not believe the celts in central europe where germanic at all, they where the Vindelici tribe ( which the invading Germans named wends, after the windo river which the Vindelici where named). These vindelici created la tene culture and they where related to the rhaetian who where also related to the Venetics and illyrians of Noricum. It makes no sense to exclude the Illyrians of the halstatt area in this celtic sphere of influence.

If the Vindelici where originally a gallic people, then the migration from west to east took place in the bronze age.

The Iberian celtic branch from what I read came from cantabria to eastern galicia areas. I think IIRC the term was franco-cantabria.

I do not know who was first , central E or Iberia or one came from the other.

 

[zanipolo]

Wrong. You are relying on theories that no longer can be buttressed satisfactorily. The latest evidence shows there were likely two areas of Celticity: the Atlantic Facade and Central Europe. Tartessian (SW Iberia Script) is the oldest attested Celtic language, older than Lepontic. So how can you assert that Central Europe was THE origination point for Celticity? Talk to the people at the University of Wales...

you sure Tartessian was not originally phoenician in origin?

 

[L.D.Brousse]

What is a Celtic Haplotype? I'm SRY2627+ Some have said France has the most variations of it so this mutation maybe a true native of France but it is also found in Spain and the UK Being Celtic to me is a way of life adapted by many different ethnic groups

 

[julia90]

Yeah right Celts were originally from the Gibilterra strait a place with few solar irradiance that even north africans from near the strait must have porcelain skin and blue yes.. Yep celts didn't arrive from central europe Yep the world is really up down in central europe they have Much solar irradiance... Big lol and fail

 

[Robert22]

i dont get what you mean with that. who says celts had porcellance skin and blue eyes ? thats just your theory, not solid in proofs, celts more likely were darker than we imagined, and atleast darker than germanic people.
Also if your are assuming all central europeans have porcellan white skin and blue eyes, you are jsut wrong, this is absolutly not true.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Not at all. The closest connections are to Old Irish and Gaulish, although the alphabet was Phoenician influenced. Look up the latest research. There is an updated bibliography under Tartessian Language WIKI.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Yeah right Celts were originally from the Gibilterra strait a place with few solar irradiance that even north africans from near the strait must have porcelain skin and blue yes.. Yep celts didn't arrive from central europe Yep the world is really up down in central europe they have Much solar irradiance... Big lol and fail

You have serious problems, Julia. Your denial of the latest scientific facts is quite laughable. The circus left town, so why aren't you with their caravan? LMAO!!!

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

And?, i've never denied celts arrived in spain, but the thing i deny is that they origin is in spain and not in central europe; it's false that they originated in spain, while it's true they migrated in spain from central europe.

Are you thick!? Celticity is primarily cultural and the evidence points to TWO Celtic homelands, Iberia with extension throughout the Atlantic facade, and Central Europe.

 

[julia90]

Yes, central european have considerabile Paler skin than even northern italians and more so of southern italians just as italiana have Paler skin than north africans.. The Celts were Paler skinned than romans you find it in the roman literatue too. Pre celtic people of spain weren't Paler skinned than romans.. So Celts wern' t originally from there and absolutely not from gibiltar! which is more considerably more southern in latitude then rome, but of northern latitudes than rome

 

[julia90]

Are you thick!? Celticity is primarily cultural and the evidence points to TWO Celtic homelands, Iberia with extension throughout the Atlantic facade, and Central Europe.

no would you call yourself roman because you speak a latin derived language? Would you call colombians spaniard? No, celticity is not about culture but it s associated with Common looks mostly