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Classify me (Chinese guy)

From the woman:-searched through my email
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]I have no idea how the Yakut got in my family but I know all about the Sub-Saharan part. My family on my mothers side comes from a slave named Hans Jonatan, born in 1773. A long story but his mom got forced from Africa to St. Croix where my great-great-great-and so on grandpa was born. His father was white so he got better treatment than the other slaves and when Denmark quit the sugar-cane business, Hans Jonathan went with his masters to Denmark where he later ran off and ended up in Iceland :-) Books have been written, TV shows have been made, so the whole story is quite complete :-)[/FONT]

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]So the yakut has probably "blended in" in the Caribbien - I know for example that Jamaicans are a mix of Asian, African and "locals". Europeans were quite cruel back in the days and many Chinese were trapped into slavery in the 1600/1700 :-([/FONT]

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Best regards[/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Ditta[/FONT]
 
You guys can check the link to my images again. I've updated them with a pic of my mum.
 
Sometimes I wonder how my life would have been being blonde.


It is edited for this Halloween
 
Zionas said:
From the woman:-searched through my email
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]I have no idea how the Yakut got in my family but I know all about the Sub-Saharan part. My family on my mothers side comes from a slave named Hans Jonatan, born in 1773. A long story but his mom got forced from Africa to St. Croix where my great-great-great-and so on grandpa was born. His father was white so he got better treatment than the other slaves and when Denmark quit the sugar-cane business, Hans Jonathan went with his masters to Denmark where he later ran off and ended up in Iceland :-) Books have been written, TV shows have been made, so the whole story is quite complete :-)[/FONT]

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]So the yakut has probably "blended in" in the Caribbien - I know for example that Jamaicans are a mix of Asian, African and "locals". Europeans were quite cruel back in the days and many Chinese were trapped into slavery in the 1600/1700 :-([/FONT]

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Best regards[/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Ditta[/FONT]
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Interesting that you would have a match with a 23andme cousin from Iceland. Iceland has only shared relations with China since 1971. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Iceland_relations


However, since Hans Jonathan (1784-1827) was well travelled and maybe fits the 210-180 year mark, it is a striking Possibility that Mr Jonathan could be your ancestor.


Perhaps you can find out if there is a Descendant whom moved to China.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Jonatan


https://www.geni.com/people/Hans-Jónatan-Talin/6000000006454864069
 
Is the DNA relative even real? That's a question. All in all I do hope that the "European" component is Central Asian / Indo-Iranian, not something genuinely Euro and recent.... As for Hans Jonatan, I have not found anything about him having made it to China. It's also impossible that a descendant would have made it to China. Something so alien, so foreign to the Chinese gene pool would make me extremely uncomfortable. The Han has incorporated Daic, Austronesian, Austroasiatic, Mongolic, Turkic, Arab, and Iranian / Indo-Iranian elements throughout history. All Asian and non-Western. Something with the likes of this guy or some recent colonist / imperialist is totally and utterly unnatural. I don't want to be part of such a disgraceful history.
 
I just looked up this Hans Jonatan guy. His dad was a Danish governor who raped a black female slave.
 
My grandfather's from the northwest of China, Xi'an to be precise. I am not sure if he has roots in other frontier regions like Gansu, Ningxia, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Qinghai etc. He had medium grey eyes. Ancient Xiongnu / Central Asian / Indo-Iranian?
 
Zionas said:
My grandfather's from the northwest of China, Xi'an to be precise. I am not sure if he has roots in other frontier regions like Gansu, Ningxia, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Qinghai etc. He had medium grey eyes. Ancient Xiongnu / Central Asian / Indo-Iranian?
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Not sure, if the lineage is not from Iceland or other Europeans then your Euro-Middle Eastern lineage has gotta be ancient. I don't you are uncomfortable about this but your ancestry doesn't influence who you are as a person ^_^. This scenario if true reminds me of Luke Skywalker from Starwars honestly as an inspiration. But it's possible that your SW Chinese ancestors would have some Central Asian lineages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbjru5CQIW4

I'm afraid there is no way to tell what your dna is without covering your family tree, looking via the history of your Grandfather's origional homeland and reserching your dna component.
It looks like Xi'an has been Chinese for thousands of years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color#Gray

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Xi'an
 
Zionas said:
Is the DNA relative even real? That's a question. All in all I do hope that the "European" component is Central Asian / Indo-Iranian, not something genuinely Euro and recent.... As for Hans Jonatan, I have not found anything about him having made it to China. It's also impossible that a descendant would have made it to China. Something so alien, so foreign to the Chinese gene pool would make me extremely uncomfortable. The Han has incorporated Daic, Austronesian, Austroasiatic, Mongolic, Turkic, Arab, and Iranian / Indo-Iranian elements throughout history. All Asian and non-Western. Something with the likes of this guy or some recent colonist / imperialist is totally and utterly unnatural. I don't want to be part of such a disgraceful history.
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What is, in your head, Chinese gene pool?

some recent colonist / imperialist is totally and utterly unnatural
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I'm sure Tibetans feel the same about Chinese. Don't you think?
By your way of understanding, they should really despise Chinese people and their gene pool, and it should be ok.
 
Carlos said:
To me you've never told me anything like that.
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I didn't know you are feeling insecure like Zionas. I wouldn't treat you worse even if your grandfather was Chinese communist imperialist. ;)
 
The Chinese gene pool has O1, O2 and O3 as the main haplogroups, some N and Q. Anything in those groups that I mentioned have contributed to the Chinese gene pool, but the natural contribution / variation doesn't go further west than Central Asia and the Middle East. As for the Tibetans, there are a few extremists here and there but most just want to live their lives. Same with the Uyghurs. I know people in Chongqing who spent time in Xinjiang and they told me that ordinary, educated Uyghurs are very friendly. You meant that my NW Chinese ancestors had Central Asian lineages? Most Southern Chinese don't.
I have no way of tracing that side because they are all dead. Xi'An was historically the end (and the beginning) of the Silk Road. NW China does have some Caucasoid (not European) DNA from ancient peoples. So I hope mine is not from recent history but further back from groups that inhabited the Western Regions and the Asian steppes.
 
Look at the imgur pictures of my mum, dad, uncle and me. Do we have any non-Asian features in our skulls, facial features and cheeks etc? My mum, uncle and I all have very light skin.
 
LeBrok said:
I didn't know you are feeling insecure like Zionas. I wouldn't treat you worse even if your grandfather was Chinese communist imperialist. ;)
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I do not feel it, mine is jealousy.
 
Zionas said:
Look at the imgur pictures of my mum, dad, uncle and me. Do we have any non-Asian features in our skulls, facial features and cheeks etc? My mum, uncle and I all have very light skin.
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Then the European ancestry is either just noise or a proxy. In this situation, if it's a proxy; like East/SE European (going by your 23andme results) those cultures would be considered Slavic/Balkan communities. What cultures in China would the Slavs and Balkanites have in common?
For example, Iranian tribes settled in Slavic territories like the Scythians and Ottoman Turks settled into the Balkans. Anyways, percentages under 1% can also be just noise. If you really want to confirm if you have Autosomal Iranian/Turkic roots, I'm afraid I cannot say for sure since the admixture is so little. I recomend getting DNA tested on a different website; like ancestrydna and Ftdna. It's all we can do at this point.
 
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