Immigration Cold blooded murder of the very worst kind

[Michael Folkesson]

Bah. No it's not, Gwyllgi. Where you posted it it did not pertain specifically to the previous text at all. If it's wrong grammatically it's because you made an error. I could post that entire post here and we could go through it, but this is not very important now is it?

Wrong again... ...Salat? As to which direction they point their best features towards or their desire to go worship a stone, I couldn’t give much les of a stuff.

Well. My assumption was wrong then. Salat is the pillar containing the creed of Jihad. But - according to what you say - it seems that Jihad is not your biggest issue, but funding and the actual base of Muslim faith which are very similar to Christian creeds. As you have such a deep understanding of Islam, I will have to take your word for that your basis for this thread is a lesser concern for you than people actually being Muslim.

So, you do care for Russia do you, and for the rights and equality for Muslim women? I would like to see you agitate for that. Be my guest. Spread your love and solidarity for the Russians. What is it you like most about Russia?

As for the vast obstacle of becoming a Muslim, general convention is that all you have to do is to recite the Shahadah in Arabic in earnest. No, you don't have to be fluent in Arabic either. But that might seem hard to you, who are "fluent".

Giri is to be admired in occasions, but it is touching that you admire pilots who rammed their aircrafts into Britons and Americans for the sake of an Empire who was a totalitarian aggressor leading to them becoming the article 9 country of today, but despise women who lost their family members to the Russians and fight for the cause of their country. I guess it's a ball issue for you.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

The essential point is that Islam runs counter to Western traditions and is incompatible with our way of life. The great majority of Muslims immigrate to Western lands to improve their economic condition and they have little interest in adapting culturally or socially. Muslims take whatever they can from the West and, generally, provide little in return.

The real danger is that Islam is driven by terribly primitive religious dogma which influences, in significant measure, all aspects of a Muslim person's life. The Islamic habitus contains no disposition for tolerance. If your perspective does not fit comfortably within their rigid socio-cultural and psychological structures, it will not compute.

Westerners have to be VERY realistic about Islam and Muslims...

 

[Gwyllgi]

Well. My assumption was wrong then. Salat is the pillar containing the creed of Jihad. But - according to what you say - it seems that Jihad is not your biggest issue, but funding and the actual base of Muslim faith which are very similar to Christian creeds.

Nonsense. There is nothing whatsoever Christian about Islam. Islam is the antithesis of Christianity.

So, you do care for Russia do you, and for the rights and equality for Muslim women?

To say that by pointing out a deliberate distortion of what I wrote amounts to the same thing as my caring about the equality of women caught up in Islam is at least disingenuous.

I would like to see you agitate for that. Be my guest. Spread your love and solidarity for the Russians. What is it you like most about Russia?

The country
The people

(but) it is touching that you admire pilots who rammed their aircrafts into Britons and Americans for the sake of an Empire who was a totalitarian aggressor leading to them becoming the article 9 country of today.

Not admire, respect. Admire their bravery, yes. Admire their self sacrifice, yes. Admire what they did? Hardly.

As for their article 9, what a shame that Islam couldn’t adopt such a thing as the sixth pillar of Islam. But it can’t. Mohammed saw to that.

….. but despise women who lost their family members to the Russians and fight for the cause of their country. I guess it's a ball issue for you.

The scum who attacked the civilians in Moscow and who have done and probably will continue to do so elsewhere differ on two huge counts from the Bushido and Kamikaze warriors.

Firstly the scum deliberately attack civilians, and secondly the scum do so not for their country, but to further the progress of Islam.

And no, it’s not so much a “balls” issue, more a case of men compared to dogs.

 

[Wilhelm]

The essential point is that Islam runs counter to Western traditions and is incompatible with our way of life. The great majority of Muslims immigrate to Western lands to improve their economic condition and they have little interest in adapting culturally or socially. Muslims take whatever they can from the West and, generally, provide little in return.

The real danger is that Islam is driven by terribly primitive religious dogma which influences, in significant measure, all aspects of a Muslim person's life. The Islamic habitus contains no disposition for tolerance. If your perspective does not fit comfortably within their rigid socio-cultural and psychological structures, it does not compute.

Westerners have to be VERY realistic about Islam and Muslims...

I agree with this

 

[^ lynx ^]

How Christians are treated outside Europe is not important for how we treat Muslims in Europe.

Nonsense. It is important, because it is representative of the idiosyncrasy and tolerance level of these immigrants. After all many of them migrated from these countries. People born and raised in tolerant societies will tend to be more tolerant than those born and raised in a medieval society.

Lynx
And I kind of doubt that you are that sympathetic to Arab Christians.

Oh, so now you make prejudices against me... are you calling me racist?

But even if i would (which I'm not), would that change the fact that many arab-christians are indeed discriminated in their countries? You are just digressing now my friend.

If that were true, East Europeans would be well welcomed in West Europe. Talking about the polish as a part of some Christian brotherhood when it suits people, and in the next seeing them as a part of an immigration problem is just being nationalistic, adhering to the doubtful ideals of the national state in our time. Looking for some kind of ethnic purity will only provide problems.

I don't know about Sweden Michael, but in Spain we have no problems with polish or eastern europeans in general. You are digressing again.

PS- Next time keep your prejudices about me for yourself, especially if you're thinking about acussing me of being a racist... unless you want to receive a ban warning.


Greetings.

 

[Michael Folkesson]

I guess I hit a nerve, Lynx. I doubt I'd get banned for making you feel uncomfortable or irritated. No, I am not calling you a racist. That you equate culture and race in this instance is interesting though. I am saying that I doubt you appreciate Arabic cultures. An Arab Christian still belong to the same culture as the Arab Muslim of that country, and can't be distinguished in their acts and manners, not to mention that they both refer to God as Allah. That they are Christian don't say much about their ability to integrate into European society or the acceptance of them.

I agree however, that the reference to polish workers in Spain was not directly pertinent to your comment. That was a reference to Spain having the highest unemployment rate in Europe, one of the highest levels of immigrants and the discontent I've read from Spanish and other West European people on forums with polish plumbers, where most Spaniards prefer Latin Americans among the immigrants. My point was that Christian brotherhood is referenced when it suits people, and quickly forgotten in other matters.

 

[Gwyllgi]

Don't know about Sweden, especially Malmo, but the only problems Arab Christians have here in the whole of the UK is with the Arab Mohammedans. But that aside, when it comes to “brotherhood” the one that’s really worth examining has to be Hizb al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun, the Muslim Brothrhood.

A thoroughly nasty thing that was created by a creature name of Hassan al-Banna in the late 1920’s. But what spurned him into action was the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and all that followed on.

A mixture of petulance, anger at what he saw as mostly indifference by the Egyptians, frustration, and simple raw animal hatred of all things not Islamic caused him to set up a group of similar malcontents who then went on to create all sorts of evil.

Probably the most evil of all being that son of a gutter lady-dog, Yasser Arafat. An inveterate liar and a “person” who was single handedly responsible for turning Israel from a nation becoming at ease with her neighbours and them mostly with Israel, into the horrid mess that it is today.

But as for the MB, it’s interesting to look at just what evil they have caused in the past, and continue to cause in the world today.

The Christian Brotherhood? The antithesis of the MB. Just as Christianity is the antithesis of Islam.

 

[Mycernius]

Again, I will ask, why do you use the antiquated term of Mohammadans?

 

[Gwyllgi]

Again, I will ask, why do you use the antiquated term of Mohammadans?

Two reasons.

Firstly because I WANT to.

Secondly because it’s singularly appropriate.

Despite the protestations the reality is that they worship Mohammed and the thing he invented.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

I see no problem with using the term. Mohammed after all was fully responsible for constructing the tenets of Islam.

 

[Mycernius]

I was just curious to why. It strikes me that it is easier to type muslim rather than the longer Mohammadan

 

[Truth be told]

[FONT=&quot]Peace be upon you

Islam is a religion of tolerance of Islam does not call for the father to murder and corruption

Unfortunately, a lot of people Mokven idea that Islam is a religion of terrorism
We are against terrorists, terrorists maimed reputation of Islam



The foundations of tolerance in Islam

1 - We have established the Islam, under the title of tolerance many things, it has cemented in the hearts of Muslims that all monotheistic religions derive from a particular one, for tolerance, said the Holy Qur'an: (you initiated debt charge of Noah, who revealed unto thee, and China and by Abraham and Moses and Jesus to Establish the religion Ttafrqgua).

2 - reinforce Islam for tolerance in the hearts of Muslims that the prophets are brothers, no differentiation among them in terms of the message, and where faith in them, said the Holy Qur'an: (Say We believe in Allah and sent down to us and revealed to Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Tribes and that given to Moses and Jesus and given to the Prophets before them, do not differentiate between one of them and we are a Muslim). We make no distinction between any of them, do not differentiate at all, everyone in our view, the prophets, and we are a Muslim.

3 - Having established a tolerant Islam, under the bridge that is no compulsion in religion, Faith should be received by the heart and mind is clear, and perfectly clear:
(There is no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break).

4 - We have established the Islam of tolerance to the various places of worship is respected in the eyes of Muslims, here it is: the Koran says: (and who do not pay people to each other to the silos were demolished, sale and prayers and mosques, where Allah's name mentioned a lot).

5 - We have established the tolerance of Islam to Muslims that they should look to others as human beings, Ejadlonhm way that is better, he said the Holy Qur'an: (And argue not with the people of the Book, but one that is better)

6 - I-Islam entrenched in the hearts of Muslims for tolerance mainland People of the Book, and hospitality to them, here it is for Muslims the Qur'an says: (and food writers who have given a solution for you, and yours is lawful to them ...).

7 - We have established the Islam in the hearts of Muslims have no enmity between Muslims and others, just because they are non-Muslims, and leave it to the Day of Resurrection, except if attacked by these Muslims, but if these people were in the way of the Muslim call a stumbling block, when the Holy Quran says : (And the Jews say [/FONT]

 

[Truth be told]

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[Truth be told]

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* While the heads of more religions use violence as a way to convince Muslims to enter into a religion, if it led to killing, but this is contrary to the meaning>> There is no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from canceled>> the Muslims when they open what they are preparing residents to protect them against performance of the tribute, and it was Umar ibn al-Khattab good example is the promise which he made for the Christians of Najran "it does not inhabit the churches and destroyed, are not impaired nor pride of nor their Cross, nor of anything from money, not hate their religion .. ".

* And the effects of religious freedom, his drawings of Islam's literature and religious debate, arguing people of the book argue that the basis of reason and logic and persuasion, grounded in the way that is better. He says: "Invite to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and serious way that is best for them,"



* And tolerance in Islam is permissible food of the people the book and his analysis of the offerings and it is permissible for a Muslim to marry their women, he says:>> The food of those given the Book to you and yours is lawful to them, and chaste women from women ... >>

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[^ lynx ^]

I guess I hit a nerve, Lynx. I doubt I'd get banned for making you feel uncomfortable or irritated. No, I am not calling you a racist. That you equate culture and race in this instance is interesting though. I am saying that I doubt you appreciate Arabic cultures. An Arab Christian still belong to the same culture as the Arab Muslim of that country, and can't be distinguished in their acts and manners, not to mention that they both refer to God as Allah. That they are Christian don't say much about their ability to integrate into European society or the acceptance of them.

Arabic cultures? North Africa (from Magreb to the Arabian Peninsula) is too much diverse and complex to label everything in there as "arabic cultures". And if we take oriental countries into account is just plain rubbish. The coptic-culture is arabic? The indonesian christians have an "arabic culture"?

So you are either slightly restating/withdrawing your prior message (because you got afraid of a ban)... or you are simply an ignorant (I can make assumptions about you as well, can't I?).

Nevertheless let's remember what you initially reply me:

And I kind of doubt that you are that sympathetic to Arab Christians. I could be wrong, but I suspect they wouldn't be more welcome in Europe than Arabs in general. If that were true, East Europeans would be well welcomed in West Europe. Talking about the polish as a part of some Christian brotherhood when it suits people, and in the next seeing them as a part of an immigration problem is just being nationalistic, adhering to the doubtful ideals of the national state in our time. Looking for some kind of ethnic purity will only provide problems.

You didn't mention "arabic culture" anywhere, you said arab christians and then you related them with eastern europeans in terms of being equally discriminated in West Europe. If you think that their arabic cultural legacy is the true reason that would make me to discriminated muslims why did you mention the eastern europeans then?.... Do eastern europeans have an arabic culture now?

Finally, you clearly stated that the central point of this discrimination wasn't Islamophobic (or cultural) but ethnic, and I'm sorry but that sounds pretty much like you were accusing me of being a racist. So please, seek for medical help you may be suffering a first-stage of Alzheimer.

I agree however, that the reference to polish workers in Spain was not directly pertinent to your comment. That was a reference to Spain having the highest unemployment rate in Europe, one of the highest levels of immigrants and the discontent I've read from Spanish and other West European people on forums with polish plumbers, where most Spaniards prefer Latin Americans among the immigrants. My point was that Christian brotherhood is referenced when it suits people, and quickly forgotten in other matters.

Well, you have heard bad then. Because then again, we don't have problems with polish or any other eastern europeans. Latin Americans on the other hand are over-represented in our prisions and are usually related (through the spanish media) with narco-traffic and violent youth gangs (like latin kings or ?etas) that's why the spanish society use to have a worse opinion of them than of eastern europeans. In fact, I'd say that latin americans have the worst reputation among immigrants in Spain. You'll rarely hear of eastern europeans/muslims immigrants in the spanish media. :disappointed: Also, the highest rate of unemployment among immigrants is into the latin american collective.

PS- If you judge spanish society for what you read in a internet forum you can't be too much intelligent, btw.

Greetings.

 

[Gwyllgi]

So, Truth be told, let’s just look at some of that ……material. (First time I’ve spelt what I mean that way!)

Islam is a religion of tolerance. Put aside the offensiveness of tolerance as opposed to equality with all others, and look at the statement in itself.

What it means is that Islam tolerates certain other religions under it’s terms. People who are not “of the book (sic) and their religions are not even tolerated. Their choice when facing Islam is stark. Convert or die.


There is no compulsion in religion. Stating the obvious. But what it means is that we can’t MAKE you convert, but if you don’t then what follows is down to you.

(snip) but if these people were in the way of the Muslim call a stumbling block.

That means get in the way of our Jihad towards infecting the whole world with the foul cult and look out.

Look, I could easily work through all of your posts and demolish the whole farrago and a great deal more besides.

Thankfully now there are a rapidly increasing number of people in the non-Islamic world who are starting to understand Islam, what it really means, and why it must be faced down.

Sad to say there are still many people who fall for all the guff and propaganda (and downright lies) that are put about promoting Islam. Some because the want it to be true, some because their very decency blinds them to the facts, some because they hate the nature of the society in which they live, but in all cases the numbers are dwindling.

It’s interesting to consider the religions

The Jews isolate themselves from other religions
The Christians invite conversion to Christianity

The Mohammedans demand subjugation to Islam.

So thanks “Truth be told”, but no thanks. We know snake oil when we see it and for those who don’t here’s a guy who will explain a great deal.

http://www.davidpryce-jones.com/

From one of his books, “The Closed Circle”

Quote ……

“The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking.

It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur'an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”. A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart.

The Arabs have a story which exemplifies subtle, semantic dissimulation (taqiyya) perfectly.

Legend has it that Mohammed’s nephew, son-in-law and future Caliph, Ali, was sitting on a stool outside his dwelling when one of his allies ran red-faced and gasping into the village and hid in Ali’s home. Perceiving that the man was being pursued, Ali promptly got up and sat on another nearby stool.

A few minutes later, a group of angry pursuers ran into the encampment and asked Ali if he had seen the man they were pursuing.

Ali responded with the statement “AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THIS STOOL I HAVE SEEN NO ONE”

This story demonstrates why nothing an Islamist says can be taken at face value. Every statement and utterance needs to be thoroughly analysed, or “unpacked”.

After yet another violent incident in Sydney, involving “Males of Middle-Easter Appearance”, a spokesman for the Muslim community appeared on a Sydney television evening newscast. In the brief soundbight he defensively declared “our religion teaches us that we must be kind to one another” ….and indeed it does, it simply depends on how we are to interpret the words “one another”, as these verses from the Quran demonstrate:

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. – (Q 48:25)

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.
Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers*. – (Q48:29)

So, was this spokesman lying?

Or was he telling the truth?

The answer is both, YES,… and NO! –Or, perhaps neither, and if you are confused by this apparent contradiction?,. You’re meant to be, because he was practicing taqiyya; ……where the devil is ALWAYS in the detail. “

And then there’s Kitman, but that will have to wait until another time.

 

[Kostik]

I think you should read more about Chechnya, history and the war. This is Chechnyan land, and they happen to be Muslims for the most part. This is no religious clash of civilizations. They have every right to be independent. It's about oil and the cohesion of the Russian Federation. What happened to you? Did a Muslim bite you when you were a child?

First, the girls who blew themselves up in the subway were not Chechen. They were from isolated villages in Dagestan, where people practice extreme forms of Islam, like Wahhabism. Here is a picture of one of them, a 16-year old girl with her husband, who had been killed some time before the suicide bombing:

http://img.nr2.ru/pict/arts1/r22/dop1/10/04/3.jpg

Chechens and Dagestani are traditionally Sunni. Wahhabism was imported from Saudi Arabia and became wide-spread in Chechnya during their de-facto independence period in 1996-2000. During these years Chechnya introduced Sharia law with public executions, etc. It was not uncommon for some Chechens to keep Russian slaves kidnapped from train stations and bus stops in Russia. Eventually they ended up invading Dagestan with a goal to create a Caliphate from Black to Caspian sea. To their surprise, most Dagestani did not support the Chechens, but fought back along with the Russian Army. An exception was a Wahhabi enclave in Dagestan consisting of 3-4 villages. This is where these suicide bomber girls came from.

As for whether a Muslim bit me as a child - I was in college in Moscow in 1989-1994, during the breakup of the Soviet Union. We, students, lived in constant fear of Chechen 'mafia' - young Chechen men who seemed to control everything and considered themselves above the law. These Chechens lived in the student dorm illegally, apparently, by bribing the superintendent. They controlled drug and alcohol trade and prostitution in Moscow. They had a lot of money and guns. Once a group of young Chechens was waiting for an elevator in the dorm building, when a black African student came over and pushed a button 'down', whereas the Chechens wanted to go up. The Chechens beat him up and tossed him out of the window from the 8th floor. He died. The police came to investigate, but received 2 mln rubles ($2000) from the Chechens and chose not to interfere. Everyone was scared of them.

A friend of mine, whose relatives were Russian geologists in Chechnya, told stories of the time when Chechens proclaimed independence in 1991 and started to kill Russians to take their apartments. People were thrown out of the windows and shot in the daylight on a street just because they were Russians. Some Russians were enslaved, forced to tend Chechen cattle and kept in zindans, which are deep pits in the ground. These crimes were encouraged by the new Chechen government under general Dudayev. It was happening 3 years before Russia attacked Chechnya in 1994.

Russia was completely unprepared for the war. The army was sub-standard, the officers were corrupt and the soldiers were unwilling to fight. This explains high casualties and atrocities on both sides. It ended in Chechnya's independence.

I was not in Russia at that time, so my info came from the media sources.

The second war that ended Chechen independence was done more efficiently by Russians. A pro-Russian government was established. It was given control over oil. They gave people employment and rebuilt Grozny:

http://moikompas.ru/img/compas/2008-05-20/grozny/28672162_orig.jpg

It's not exactly a paradise still, but at least there are no gangs with AKs and RPGs roaming the streets.

Independence sounds good on a paper or in a history textbook, but when it comes to the real thing, it is often bloody and ugly.

Take Georgia, e.g. As soon as they proclaimed independence, they expelled Russians, Jews and Armenians, started wars with Abkhazia and South Ossetia. I know this well, because my wife was born in Tbilisi and she is of Jewish-Armenian heritage. If you were not ethnic Georgian, it was impossible to find job. So, people emigrated to Russia, USA and Israel. I went to Tbilisi in 1992. A gang of Georgian teenagers attempted to beat me up on a street because I was blond and had blue eyes - a sign of an 'occupant'.

Later, Saakashvili figured out how to ask money from W, equipped his army with NATO munitions and started his 'small victorious war' against Ossetians, which ended up in disaster. Russia was blamed by the West as usual.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Arabic cultures? North Africa (from Magreb to the Arabian Peninsula) is too much diverse and complex to label everything in there as "arabic cultures". And if we take oriental countries into account is just plain rubbish. The coptic-culture is arabic? The indonesian christians have an "arabic culture"?

So you are either slightly restating/withdrawing your prior message (because you got afraid of a ban)... or you are simply an ignorant (I can make assumptions about you as well, can't I?).

Nevertheless let's remember what you initially reply me:



You didn't mention "arabic culture" anywhere, you said arab christians and then you related them with eastern europeans in terms of being equally discriminated in West Europe. If you think that their arabic cultural legacy is the true reason that would make me to discriminated muslims why did you mention the eastern europeans then?.... Do eastern europeans have an arabic culture now?

Finally, you clearly stated that the central point of this discrimination wasn't Islamophobic (or cultural) but ethnic, and I'm sorry but that sounds pretty much like you were accusing me of being a racist. So please, seek for medical help you may be suffering a first-stage of Alzheimer.



Well, you have heard bad then. Because then again, we don't have problems with polish or any other eastern europeans. Latin Americans on the other hand are over-represented in our prisions and are usually related (through the spanish media) with narco-traffic and violent youth gangs (like latin kings or �etas) that's why the spanish society use to have a worse opinion of them than of eastern europeans. In fact, I'd say that latin americans have the worst reputation among immigrants in Spain. You'll rarely hear of eastern europeans/muslims immigrants in the spanish media. :disappointed: Also, the highest rate of unemployment among immigrants is into the latin american collective.

PS- If you judge spanish society for what you read in a internet forum you can't be too much intelligent, btw.

Greetings.

I have found that much information about minority ethnicities resident in Spain is greatly distorted by the mainstream media. Given some of the high crime levels associated with Latin American people throughout the country, it is little wonder that native Spaniards generally see them in a low light.

I am very familiar with all major regions of Spain and I have heard or read very few disparaging remarks by Spaniards concerning Eastern Europeans.

 

[LeBrok]

First, the girls who blew themselves up in the subway were not Chechen....QUOTE]
Welcome to Eupedia Kostik. Nice well written piece and quite informative. I always like reading the other side of the story.

 

[Mycernius]

[FONT=&quot]Peace be upon you

Islam is a religion of tolerance of Islam does not call for the father to murder and corruption

Pity no-one told those lunatics that blow themselves up everyday, the ones that call for the death of anyone who insults islam (I can provide pictures if you want), the ones that want the world to be an islamic planet with no freedom of speech. Islam may have been tolerant once, but not anymore. Maybe you should have a word with your psychotic Imans.

Unfortunately, a lot of people Mokven idea that Islam is a religion of terrorism
We are against terrorists, terrorists maimed reputation of Islam

No true Scotsman fallacy

1 - We have established the Islam, under the title of tolerance many things, it has cemented in the hearts of Muslims that all monotheistic religions derive from a particular one, for tolerance, said the Holy Qur'an: (you initiated debt charge of Noah, who revealed unto thee, and China and by Abraham and Moses and Jesus to Establish the religion Ttafrqgua).

Slight problem here. Noah never existed. His entire story is lifted from Sumerian myth. Abraham might have. No evidence for Moses or Jesus either. Pretty shaky ground to found a religion on, but Mohammad did pinch all the ideas from the Jews and Christians, so he didn't really have a clue.

2 - reinforce Islam .....blah, blah, blah.

See above. Oh, please provide evidence that magic sky pixie Allah exists. Until you do everything you say is assertion, not fact.

3 - Having established a tolerant Islam, under the bridge that is no compulsion in religion, Faith should be received by the heart and mind is clear, and perfectly clear:
(There is no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break).

Absolute bollocks. If a muslims wants to leave islam then he is to be killed. It is in black and white in the quran. So tolerance goes out the window and no complusion. Inconsistant a bit this magic sky pixie of yours.

In fact everything you have copied and pasted is all inconsistant BS of the heighest order. The Quran is as inconsistant as the bible, and everything you have said are baseless assertions. Nice try, but you fail.