Collegno Longobards on GEDmatch Genesis

[Tomenable]

Collegno & Szolad Longobards on GEDmatch Genesis

I have uploaded them to GEDmatch Genesis (should be available for "one-to-many" comparisons tomorrow):

Kit Number: UU5731879
Name: CL23

Kit Number: QD2543537
Name: CL25

Kit Number: NZ1152016
Name: CL30

Kit Number: WK4740429
Name: CL31

Kit Number: WU7470506
Name: CL36

Kit Number: SW6326785
Name: CL38

Kit Number: RS3778199
Name: CL47

Kit Number: BR2498284
Name: CL49

Kit Number: NC7956297
Name: CL53

Kit Number: RP8536010
Name: CL57

Kit Number: WG5925191
Name: CL63

Kit Number: GF5389415
Name: CL83

Kit Number: XA3720720
Name: CL84

Kit Number: PE7670115
Name: CL87

Kit Number: DV8389110
Name: CL92

Kit Number: LP1921598
Name: CL93

Kit Number: ZQ6809113
Name: CL94

Kit Number: CA9725839
Name: CL97

Kit Number: HU4726947
Name: CL102

Kit Number: SJ4379167
Name: CL110

Kit Number: GL9210858
Name: CL121

Kit Number: SU3968596
Name: CL145

Kit Number: XW7223819
Name: CL146

Kit Number: UK8807731
Name: CL151

PS: I've mistakenly uploaded them to my "Poland Regions" account, I'll move them to another account later.

See my ancient Poland uploads here: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...-inhabitants-of-Poland-and-neighbouring-areas

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Edit:

And here are all of the Szolad samples:

Kit Number: LX9522162
Name: SZ1

Kit Number: DQ5538890
Name: SZ2

Kit Number: XL9733057
Name: SZ3

Kit Number: UA7388446
Name: SZ4

Kit Number: SE6751075
Name: SZ5

Kit Number: LL1292414
Name: SZ6

Kit Number: UX4123860
Name: SZ7

Kit Number: UG6245064
Name: SZ8

Kit Number: LY7666778
Name: SZ9

Kit Number: WX9701878
Name: SZ11

Kit Number: RT8592756
Name: SZ12

Kit Number: RP1749276
Name: SZ13

Kit Number: HM6319499
Name: SZ14

Kit Number: RD7767956
Name: SZ15

Kit Number: JB8452859
Name: SZ16

Kit Number: GP9641645
Name: SZ18

Kit Number: QA1470938
Name: SZ19

Kit Number: UB5566403
Name: SZ20

Kit Number: ZK5912932
Name: SZ22

Kit Number: SX7411199
Name: SZ23

Kit Number: FJ2528471
Name: SZ24

Kit Number: SG8142119
Name: SZ25

Kit Number: EY6160897
Name: SZ27

Kit Number: AW3972989
Name: SZ28

Kit Number: EJ9998826
Name: SZ30

Kit Number: NM6192702
Name: SZ31

Kit Number: UU6914129
Name: SZ32

Kit Number: DB9262516
Name: SZ35

Kit Number: BY5848416
Name: SZ36

Kit Number: BF8929036
Name: SZ37

Kit Number: ZJ3278878
Name: SZ38

Kit Number: TZ5280008
Name: SZ40

Kit Number: DH1542070
Name: SZ41

Kit Number: QF6361492
Name: SZ42

Kit Number: JH3368939
Name: SZ43

Kit Number: QN2474695
Name: SZ44

Kit Number: LN6607043
Name: SZ45

 

[torzio]

Can you post CL23 as well

 

[g p]

Thank you for your effort !

 

[g p]

Analysing the first four samples using Eurogenes K13 I notice that they are really ‘diverse ‘ from each other ... some resembling south Italians and some resembling French population ...

 

[Salento]

Can you post CL23 as well

SZ36 is a Y T, and is my 1st match at myTrueanc in a couple of my RawD.
CL23 also a Y T, is lower.

 

[Tomenable]

Can you post CL23 as well

It is missing? Which ones are missing? I will upload them too.

I thought I uploaded all but apparently not.

 

[Angela]

I have uploaded them to GEDmatch Genesis (should be available for "one-to-many" comparisons tomorrow):

Kit Number: NZ1152016
Name: CL30

Kit Number: WK4740429
Name: CL31

Kit Number: RS3778199
Name: CL47

Kit Number: SW6326785
Name: CL38

Kit Number: WU7470506
Name: CL36

Kit Number: NC7956297
Name: CL53

Kit Number: RP8536010
Name: CL57

Kit Number: BR2498284
Name: CL49

Kit Number: WG5925191
Name: CL63

Kit Number: GF5389415
Name: CL83

Kit Number: XA3720720
Name: CL84

Kit Number: PE7670115
Name: CL87

Kit Number: DV8389110
Name: CL92

Kit Number: LP1921598
Name: CL93

Kit Number: ZQ6809113
Name: CL94

Kit Number: CA9725839
Name: CL97

Kit Number: SJ4379167
Name: CL110

Kit Number: HU4726947
Name: CL102

Kit Number: SU3968596
Name: CL145

Kit Number: UK8807731
Name: CL151

Kit Number: GL9210858
Name: CL121

Kit Number: XW7223819
Name: CL146

PS: I've mistakenly uploaded them to my "Poland Regions" account, I'll move them to another account later.

See my ancient Poland uploads here: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...-inhabitants-of-Poland-and-neighbouring-areas

Thanks, Tomenable.

Very kind of you.

 

[Angela]

Tomenable, did you upload the Szolad samples as well?

I know, greedy, greedy.

 

[Aspurg]

Thanks Tomenable.

Here's CL38, E-V13 from Collegno
K15 map

K36 Ancients


K36 Europe & Asia




So Cretan-like, also some strong Anatolian ties, Armenians. Some extra Near Eastern and North African admix is there. For ex. in K36 he scores 10.44 Armenian, 4.84 Arabian, 12.91 Near Eastern. Italian (EEF) is lower than usual (21.90). I guess he might have Greek ancestry.

 

[Angela]

Thanks Tomenable.

Here's CL38, E-V13 from Collegno
K15 map
View attachment 11020

K36 Ancients
View attachment 11021

K36 Europe & Asia
View attachment 11022

View attachment 11023

So Cretan-like, also some strong Anatolian ties, Armenians. Some extra Near Eastern and North African admix is there. For ex. in K36 he scores 10.44 Armenian, 4.84 Arabian, 12.91 Near Eastern. Italian (EEF) is lower than usual (21.90). I guess he might have Greek ancestry.

He's just Southern Italian like.

 

[Tomenable]

Tomenable, did you upload the Szolad samples as well?

I have added them in the first post - the ones I uploaded are from a combined dataset with over 2000 ancients published by David Reich recently, in 2019.

There are slight differences compared to the ones mlukas uploaded (he took the data from the 2018 dataset).

It is just like with modern people - if you test with MyHeritage, your GEDmatch results will be a bit different than your GEDmatch results from 23andMe file.

PS:

Maybe later I will merge raw datas from both versions and re-upload, this should give the highest amount of SNPs in GEDmatch calculators and best results.

Can you post CL23 as well

Added CL23 and CL25 in the first post.

 

[Jovialis]

Below I've taken screen shots of the seven samples I match first with on Mytrueancestry, compared to my own results, using Dodecad K12b

1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.423) - SZ40
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.48) - CL25
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.03) - SZ36
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.4) - I9033
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.49) - I9041
10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.17) - I9006
11. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.2) - SZ43
12. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (15.25) - Ker1
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.84) - SZ32

 

[Joey37]

Interesting. Appears very much it was a mainly male-based migration, and in the case of the E V-13 Lombard, even male natives joined. Compare that to me, of predominantly West Germanic and Celtic (both insular and continental) descent.



As you can see, I have substantial more Northern European than these individuals who were all members of a Germanic tribe

 

[Jovialis]

Below I've taken screen shots of the seven samples I match first with on Mytrueancestry, compared to my own results, using Dodecad K12b

1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.423) - SZ40
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.48) - CL25
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.03) - SZ36
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.4) - I9033
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.49) - I9041
10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.17) - I9006
11. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.2) - SZ43
12. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (15.25) - Ker1
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.84) - SZ32

Above is a Eurogenes K15 PCA I put together with the 7 samples, and myself.

I think the more southern-cluster from the late-Imperial Roman samples are southern Italians as well. There is a lot of overlap between Cretans, and other Greeks throughout Italy.

 

[Jovialis]

I plotted all of the samples from the Lombard paper on this PCA, with a few others.

 

[Salento]

I plotted all of the samples from the Lombard paper on this PCA, with a few others.

Thanks Jovialis for plotting all the samples of the Lombard paper + others.

This and other time consuming projects have not gone unnoticed

 

[torzio]

I plotted all of the samples from the Lombard paper on this PCA, with a few others.

excellent PCA

 

[Jovialis]

excellent PCA

Thanks, but I just plugged them into the online tool and plotted them in paint. The real credit goes to Tomenable for uploading them on Gedmatch.

I don't know how to convert these files.

 

[Angela]

I plotted all of the samples from the Lombard paper on this PCA, with a few others.

Thanks, Jovialis. It's another proof for me of why when there are no Northern Italian or Tuscan samples, the algorithms tell me I'm Bulgarian; too far east with their Slavic ancestry, but the closest the algorithms can get. (SZ43 is my closest with 3.6, and CL36 is second with 4.5)

 

[torzio]

excellent PCA

the my true ancestry results seem to fit with my placing on pca above