Coming Soon: Neolithic Anatolian Genomes!!!

[Yetos]

Indeed

[/URL], Maciamo is speculating here that J2 was in Anatolia but not in Europe in the Neolithic. I have had a hunch that J2 had a Bronze Age expansion, and so it might not have reached northwest Anatolia by 4500 BC. Hopefully they got some ydna from these samples so we'll have the answer.

For what it's worth, I think it was J2 that spread ANE throughout the Near East, but time and more samples will sort it out.

I agree with that,
J2 and especially J2a something that we should understand better,
cause it might be from neolithic ages expand to some, even to late iron age expand to others,
others connect it with agricultural booming, and others with iron and later times
and if was present in Vincas Varna Cycladetic Minoan,
while we estimated J2b presence in Hungary, and indeed was a shock to many 'theoriticals'

 

[arvistro]

J2 maybe acquired ANE from somewhere and then spread it to Near East, but I feel ANE was Syberian thing originally. At least it was roaming there ~ 20k ago. And it is also quite high in Karintians (Native Americans) who are also linked to Syberia, apparently arrived to America via Syberia.

But I can be wrong I did not expect R1a in Baltics as early as it was found in Karelia, so I get mistaken more often than not

 

[Aaron1981]

Early Neolithic

Dumbest map containing R1b I have ever seen. Check out NW Europe...almost exclusively R1b, partly due to strong founder effect in late neolithic, but also due to the fact all patrilineages of these late Eurasians was M269+, absorbing I-M253 and I2-M223 of the local hunter gatherers. This is only possible from a migration from the steppes. I had considered NW Anatolia at one point, but this isn't looking as feasible with it being very farmer like in the late Neolithic.

 

[Twilight]

Looks like GedrosiaDNA just beat Eurogene to the punch in displaying Neolithic Anatolian genes.

Here it is, although I'm kind of worried that putting Mesolithic Caucasus; CHG folks into the mix. I have this strange feeling that the Natufian migrants to the Caucasus Neolithic is going to bunch up with their cousins; whom migrated to Neolithic Anatolia. So I'm not sure if Anatolian_Farmers is quite accurate yet

But overall I feel like this is a great start ^_^


Eurasia K10 CHG-NAF Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

WHG

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]40.50[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]CHG[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21.82[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Anatolian_Farmers[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.27[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EHG[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.07[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SW_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.15[/TD]

Finished reading population data. 134 populations found.
10 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 4.902810
2 Hungarian @ 5.005404
3 Scottish @ 5.334389
4 Czech @ 5.427758
5 Norwegian @ 6.367209
6 Ukrainian @ 6.808107
7 Croatian @ 7.412964
8 Icelandic @ 7.448375
9 French @ 8.724945
10 Belarusian @ 11.273589
11 Russian @ 13.387304
12 Bulgarian @ 15.106068
13 Lithuanian @ 15.982151
14 Estonian @ 16.698095
15 French_South @ 17.218237
16 Spanish @ 17.242805
17 Finnish @ 17.772463
18 Karelia @ 19.088024
19 RISE_baSin @ 20.794765
20 Albanian @ 21.212620

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Norwegian @ 4.194166


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +25% English +25% RISE_baSin @ 2.948140


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + English + English + RISE_baSin @ 2.738703
2 Croatian + English + French + RISE_baSin @ 2.787863
3 English + French + French + RISE_baSin @ 2.869783
4 Croatian + Croatian + English + RISE_baSin @ 2.948140
5 Albanian + English + Icelandic + RISE_baSin @ 2.955363
6 Loschbour + RISE_baArm + Spanish + Srubnaya @ 3.045632
7 Bulgarian + French + Icelandic + RISE_baSin @ 3.057717
8 Albanian + English + Norwegian + RISE_baSin @ 3.110352
9 English + Icelandic + RISE_baSin + Tuscan @ 3.120781
10 Bichon + RISE_baArm + Spanish + Srubnaya @ 3.131950
11 LaBrana1 + RISE_baArm + Spanish + Srubnaya @ 3.137918
12 Bulgarian + English + RISE_baSin + Scottish @ 3.148175
13 Bulgarian + Czech + English + RISE_baSin @ 3.164515
14 Bulgarian + French + Norwegian + RISE_baSin @ 3.166244
15 Bulgarian + English + Icelandic + RISE_baSin @ 3.181919
16 Albanian + English + English + RISE_baSin @ 3.182617
17 English + English + RISE_baSin + Spanish @ 3.190792
18 Bulgarian + English + Norwegian + RISE_baSin @ 3.193865
19 Croatian + French + RISE_baSin + Scottish @ 3.238219
20 French + French + Hungarian + RISE_baSin @ 3.242281

Done.

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[Fire Haired14]

Looks like GedrosiaDNA just beat Eurogene to the punch in displaying Neolithic Anatolian genes.

Here it is


Eurasia K10 CHG-NAF Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

WHG

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]40.50[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]CHG[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21.82[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Anatolian_Farmers[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.27[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EHG[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.07[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SW_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.15[/TD]

Those scores are way off. You're more like 40% Anatolia_Neolithic, 10-20% WHG, 20-25% EHG, 10-25% CHG. WHG is an unimportant part of European ancestry. Most WHG-like ancestry is from EHG.

 

[Twilight]

Those scores are way off. You're more like 40% Anatolia_Neolithic, 10-20% WHG, 20-25% EHG, 10-25% CHG. WHG is an unimportant part of European ancestry. Most WHG-like ancestry is from EHG.

I just edited some stuff while you posted that no no matter , do you know what kind of test would give me such results; mentioned on the quote box? Just curious

 

[Fire Haired14]

I just edited some stuff while you posted that no no matter , do you know what kind of test would give me such results; mentioned on the quote box? Just curious

There's none on GEDmatch. I'm basing those estimates on methods besides ADMIXTURE; D-stats and PCA. You're certainly a typical British/NW European, so the results I posted should be true for you. They could be wrong, I don't know. But there's good reason to believe those are closest to the truth.

 

[Twilight]

There's none on GEDmatch. I'm basing those estimates on methods besides ADMIXTURE; D-stats and PCA. You're certainly a typical British/NW European, so the results I posted should be true for you. They could be wrong, I don't know. But there's good reason to believe those are closest to the truth.

Acknowledged, I guess perhaps GedrosiaDNA has jumped the gun too soon then. ^_^

 

[MOESAN]

I think, this has link with the thread. Seeking the links between forerunner of Albanian and Armenian, and Iranian/Indic languages, Caucasus, East Anatolia and close areas I came to the few other interesting things.

Now I think that J2 carriers played a important role in creating Indo European languages, greater then assumed. Usually people think that R carriers (R1a and R1b) are creators of Indo European languages. But my opinion is that J2 folks were significantly involved.

in most of places the overspanning is so small between the Y-R1 and Y-J that I find it hard to link both kinds. The more credible would be one group acculturated the other? I don't clearly see a first kernel with both with approaching %s, at this stage of my readings and feelings.