K12b Dodecad K12b from Italy: can you help me?

[Norditaliano]

Component %


Atlantic_Med 37,32%
Caucasus 25,54%
North_European 24,13%
Gedrosia 6,55%
Northwest_African 3,83%
Southwest_Asian 2,63%

Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1.3 01/12/2019


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.


--------------------------------




Mixed Mode:
1 74,61% Baleares_1KG + 25,39% Adygei @ 3,320
2 75,39% Baleares_1KG + 24,61% Balkars_Y @ 3,455
3 75,39% Baleares_1KG + 24,61% North_Ossetians_Y @ 3,569
4 90,23% N_Italian_D + 9,77% Chechens_Y @ 3,985
5 73,05% Galicia_1KG + 26,95% Adygei @ 3,995
6 91,02% N_Italian_D + 8,98% Adygei @ 4,006
7 91,02% N_Italian_D + 8,98% Balkars_Y @ 4,027
8 69,92% Castilla_Y_Leon_1KG + 30,08% Adygei @ 4,028
9 91,02% N_Italian_D + 8,98% North_Ossetians_Y @ 4,030
10 66,80% Cantabria_1KG + 33,20% Adygei @ 4,126


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% N_Italian_D @ 6,396
2 100% O_Italian_D @ 7,985
3 100% TSI30 @ 8,246
4 100% North_Italian @ 8,954
5 100% Tuscan @ 9,672
6 100% C_Italian_D @ 11,877
7 100% Baleares_1KG @ 16,777
8 100% Greek_D @ 17,885
9 100% Galicia_1KG @ 18,496
10 100% Bulgarians_Y @ 18,522


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% N_Italian_D + 50% O_Italian_D @ 5,199
2 50% Bulgarian_D + 50% Andalucia_1KG @ 5,488
3 50% Bulgarians_Y + 50% Andalucia_1KG @ 5,629
4 50% Sicilian_D + 50% French @ 5,791
5 50% O_Italian_D + 50% North_Italian @ 5,884
6 50% Greek_D + 50% Extremadura_1KG @ 5,944
7 50% Sicilian_D + 50% French_D @ 5,964
8 50% Baleares_1KG + 50% Greek_D @ 6,208
9 50% N_Italian_D + 50% TSI30 @ 6,229
10 50% Greek_D + 50% Cataluna_1KG @ 6,242


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Norwegian_D + 33% Sardinian + 33% Adygei @ 4,080
2 33% C_Italian_D + 33% Romanians + 33% Andalucia_1KG @ 4,104
3 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Adygei @ 4,132
4 33% C_Italian_D + 33% Bulgarians_Y + 33% Andalucia_1KG @ 4,145
5 33% Spanish_D + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Adygei @ 4,202
6 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Balkars_Y @ 4,226
7 33% Norwegian_D + 33% Sardinian + 33% Balkars_Y @ 4,254
8 33% Tuscan + 33% Bulgarians_Y + 33% Andalucia_1KG @ 4,282
9 33% Spanish_D + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Balkars_Y @ 4,354
10 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% North_Ossetians_Y @ 4,449


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Adygei @ 3,324
2 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Galicia_1KG + 25% Adygei @ 3,375
3 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Balkars_Y @ 3,449
4 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Galicia_1KG + 25% Balkars_Y @ 3,516
5 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% North_Ossetians_Y @ 3,579
6 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Galicia_1KG + 25% North_Ossetians_Y @ 3,645
7 25% Valencia_1KG + 25% Valencia_1KG + 25% Hungarians + 25% Armenians @ 3,845
8 25% Aragon_1KG + 25% Aragon_1KG + 25% Hungarians + 25% Armenians @ 4,019
9 25% Cantabria_1KG + 25% Cantabria_1KG + 25% Hungarians + 25% Armenians @ 4,122
10 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Chechens_Y @ 4,221

 

[brick]

Try these with your Eurogenes K13, Eurogenes and Dodecad K12b results.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh

With your K12b results you get Veneto as first. Are you from Veneto, right?

You are a Venetian more in the direction of the Po Valley than of the Friulians and Northeastern Alps.

 

[Norditaliano]

Thank you brick!
Yes, I'm from Veneto, Po Valley.
Ciao!

 

[torzio]

Thank you brick!
Yes, I'm from Veneto, Po Valley.
Ciao!

Trevisan or Vicenza ?

 

[Norditaliano]

Trevisan or Vicenza ?

Padua, and where are you from?
In my K12b results there is "O_Italian" in "Using 1 populations", what means?

 

[Salento]

Dodecad K12b updated:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]O_Italian[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #56FF00, align: right"]2.54699823[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #83FF00, align: right"]3.84609724[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]4.07360258[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A0FF00, align: right"]4.71072500[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
..............


O_Italian,6.21,0.00,1.10,0.00,33.53,21.82,0.00,0.20,7.81,0.00,28.53,0.80

 

[Stuvanè]

Padua, and where are you from?
In my K12b results there is "O_Italian" in "Using 1 populations", what means?

"O_Italians" means other italians, i.e. italians who lived in countries which had italians for centuries, but bordering with France, Swiss, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia...

If i remember correctly Torzio and/or Pax have explained to me elsewhere that it usually reveals a shift towards Eastern / Balkan Europe, and using this calculator with its old spreadsheet, it's quite frequent for it to appear to individuals from eastern Italy. (In fact, it also appears to me as first result: I'm from Romagna and Ferrara.)

 

[torzio]

Padua, and where are you from?
In my K12b results there is "O_Italian" in "Using 1 populations", what means?

My father line from Ponzano Veneto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzano_Veneto
Mother line from San Zenone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Zenone_degli_Ezzelini


O_Italians = other italians..........like swiss-italians or italians in dalmatia, istria, south east france, Menton, Nice ( like where Garibaldi was from , but now it is france)

 

[torzio]

Dodecad K12b updated:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]O_Italian[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #56FF00, align: right"]2.54699823[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #83FF00, align: right"]3.84609724[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]4.07360258[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A0FF00, align: right"]4.71072500[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
..............


O_Italian,6.21,0.00,1.10,0.00,33.53,21.82,0.00,0.20,7.81,0.00,28.53,0.80

thanks

mine with O_Italian

interesting that O_Italian is positioned near Albanians ............should its numbers be noted as more "southern italian" ?

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.57738938[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.91721398[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.15360272[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.32371831[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.21059138[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.62034319[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.33094275[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.64383556[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.96106620[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.00853232[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.92698343[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.18906767[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.24966341
[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.43786377[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.60738569[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.62090393[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.19928475[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.27628950[/TD]
[TD]Romanians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.46947479[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.05822969[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.07617053[/TD]
[TD]Bulgarian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.12228373[/TD]
[TD]Bulgarians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.86829035[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.92111604[/TD]
[TD]French[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18.06615344[/TD]
[TD]Bosnian[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]TrentinoCles[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.14305918[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.66815569[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.82467099[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.11384405[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.48084210[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.74693571[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.15176853[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.62085059[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.19608922[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.22083098[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.25928371
[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.36066385[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.65458260[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.52751048[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.31492336[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.43859943[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.90779287[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.78782442[/TD]
[TD]Bulgarians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.05068558[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.17671784[/TD]
[TD]Romanians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.32011642[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.48539353[/TD]
[TD]Bulgarian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.40113812[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.86779785[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18.69366914[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Angela]

thanks

mine with O_Italian

interesting that O_Italian is positioned near Albanians ............should its numbers be noted as more "southern italian" ?

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.57738938[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.91721398[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.15360272[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.32371831[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.21059138[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.62034319[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.33094275[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.64383556[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.96106620[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.00853232[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.92698343[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.18906767[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.24966341
[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.43786377[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.60738569[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.62090393[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13.19928475[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.27628950[/TD]
[TD]Romanians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.46947479[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.05822969[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.07617053[/TD]
[TD]Bulgarian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.12228373[/TD]
[TD]Bulgarians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.86829035[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.92111604[/TD]
[TD]French[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18.06615344[/TD]
[TD]Bosnian[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]TrentinoCles[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.14305918[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.66815569[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.82467099[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.11384405[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.48084210[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.74693571[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.15176853[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.62085059[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.19608922[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.22083098[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.25928371
[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.36066385[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.65458260[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.52751048[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.31492336[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.43859943[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.90779287[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15.78782442[/TD]
[TD]Bulgarians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.05068558[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.17671784[/TD]
[TD]Romanians[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.32011642[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16.48539353[/TD]
[TD]Bulgarian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.40113812[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17.86779785[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18.69366914[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

No, it shouldn't.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Good afternoon. Let me say upfront, I am new here only 3 months so if I screw up with forum protocol, please let me know. My ancestors all immigrated to USA between 1890 and 1903. My Fathers family (Paternal Grandfather side from Trapani Province, Paternal Grandmother from Agrigento and Palermo provinces). My Mothers family all from Palermo Region (Palazzo Adriano where Tornatore filed Cinama Paradiso). I spent 3 weeks in Sicily last summer doing family research and was told consistently that my name is not common in Sicily (name in USA got messed up). I found the correct spelling of my Great Grandfathers name (2 similar spellings were used in Trapani) but the original one actually is a name that is very, very, common in Campania, which might explain my results. I am aware of the extant research that shows a homogeneous genetic cluster from Southern Italy to Sicily, which might partially explain my results. So since there are posters here with way more expertise in this forum than me, any comments are theories you might have would be appreciated. Cheers.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #79FF00, align: right"]3.56228943[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]3.83059103[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]4.03985458[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Sicily[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C7FF00, align: right"]5.85659507[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]6.30021809[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFFF00, align: right"]7.04316676[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFA00, align: right"]7.65791512[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB100, align: right"]9.80278022[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9E00, align: right"]10.34941544[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9D00, align: right"]10.37221770[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9A00, align: right"]10.45749014[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]10.84031826[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7200, align: right"]11.64560432[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5400, align: right"]12.53945374[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4E00, align: right"]12.70455178[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3E00, align: right"]13.19014973[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1400, align: right"]14.40640483[/TD]
[TD]Crimean_Tatar_Coast[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0100, align: right"]14.95868467[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0003, align: right"]15.08634150[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0014, align: right"]15.59318961[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0030, align: right"]16.41356147[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0074, align: right"]18.41201781[/TD]
[TD]Crimean_Tatar_Mountain[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007B, align: right"]18.60377267[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0080, align: right"]18.76349355[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0085, align: right"]18.91861555[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Norditaliano]

Thank you ragazzi, and Adygei and TSI30 what means?

 

[torzio]

Thank you ragazzi, and Adygei and TSI30 what means?

Iirc Adygei is in the north caucasus area.....i was once marked as Balkar also a north caucasus people

 

[MariaBrelp]

Dodecad K12b from Italy can you help me

I have a friend who owns this bowie and he is wondering who made it. Can you help me I.D. the maker from the logo on the blade?Thanks for any help anyone might be able to give.