Aspurg
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- Ethnic group
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- Y-DNA haplogroup
- E-A24070
- mtDNA haplogroup
- I1a1a
I'd rather open my own topic rather than post in another one!
Oh it seems I am not descended of Hodidjed fort commander. There is a family from Sarajevo with same surname as my maternal family who are but it seems there were 4 separate families with the same surname from Sarajevo 200 years ago who cannot be linked, and surname is based on Ottoman state monopoly of coffee productions which was given to some people for a year or much more. These 4 families are from 4 separate mahallas (quarters) and it is very unlikely a single family can hold onto such lucrative monopoly.
Anyway even if I am not related to that branch still my grandfathers branch were designated in 1781. as kişizade, which means "noble". Only 5 families of Bosnia had this designation. One tested is Spanish I-M26, descended of Spanish muslims. Another from Mostar, historians use this surname to suggest Turkish origin. Another kişizade from Sarajevo are most likely descended from Hungary. Not 100 % but ancestor might be related to a Janissary unit which was stationed at the same place in 1680 from where the other family comes from probably (North of Budapest). I talked to a cousin, to get him tested.
My grandfathers mother is descended from another Sarajevo family which descends of muslims from Sanjak of Pakrac. Again like many they arrived in late 17th century.
Grandmothers family Zavidovici, mid 19th century, some Turkish origin claims, but that village seems to have been composed of locals 400 years ago. But this claim relates to 200 years ago, probably local but have to test.
Grandmothers mother family, moved to Sarajevo from Donji Vakuf century ago. Ancestor 200 years ago mentioned with a surname indicating certain origin from muslims of Timișoara/Temesvar. Certainly arrived from Timișoara after 1716. when the Ottomans lost it. My mtdna I1a1a is from here.
I have lots of foreign ancestry, even unusual for Bosniaks.
So I have more motivation now to ensure my paternal ancestry is also foreign!
Finally my clade is isolated https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A24066/
Unexpectedly I got a Bosniak from Central Bosnia there. Among over 1000 tested Serbs from Bosnia I don't have a single member of my clade, and very unlikely I will. There is another Bosniak from NE Bosnia of my clade but he is descended of my family so surely about 500 years at best from me. And he came from Peshter area.
We'll see how many novels he has, my 14 novels make up 2200 ybp, on YFull they only count novels of best quality. Still we share 12 of best quality.
Bosniaks from Central Bosnia have more native ancestry than Serbs or even Croats, very low Vlach, and Albanian sporadic. It could be some old Illyrian connection but:
Bosniaks from Central Bosnia also have had strong Hungarian influence since Medieval Bosnia, and some migration of muslims from Hungarian areas post Battle of Wiena in 1683. I have such ancestry myself.
Who seems closest to YF67778? There is one study sample:
Bosniak____14 24 14 10 16-18 11 12 13 13 11 29 17 14 20 12 17 11 22
RU281 Cluj_14 24 13 10 16-18 11 12 13 13 11 29 18 14 20 12 18 11 22
So GD=3/19 but they share dys393=14 which is very rare for V13. Karcag family has ordered BigY700, I used to think he may be related to RU281 GD=4/19 dys456=18, but Bosniak has a better case, he also has elevated dys458. If that's true then RU281 and Györfi from Karcag despite being in that region are pretty distant.
In a village where Bosniak is from in 1604. there were people named Gaspar, Galin, land called Shargan.
Also in Central Bosnia there are finds of proto-Magyar N-M2019, and also some Bosniak R-Z326 (which exists in Hungary I can say based on STR's), G-PH1780 (from Hungary where it is found or Anatolia).
So there are already some certain and potential links.
Karcag cousin told me they are of certain Cuman origin. In fact there is another family with same/similar surname, I was told this family is not Cuman.
I've found one of my subcluster dys385b=17 in Vojvodina study. Vojvodina Serbs are descended of Krajina Serbs or Raska Serbs mostly, in first my cousins don't exist, among second there is my cluster but this guy must be 1000 years away, he is not of my family. He looks similar to some Serbian/Bulgarian border region people. As that study had many non-Serbs, Hungarians, Romanians, Roma, this guy might easily be a Hungarian or Banat Romanian (very undertested area).
All that I want is to find a single member of my cluster dys385b=17 in Kunsag. And that would be it. Usually when you probe a population, more common haplotypes pop out, so if the first and only tested from Karcag was my cousin there should be more.. Especially as in the Balkans this cluster is found in some places suggesting Cumano-Pecheneg links..
accuser: Aspurg, maternally paternal descendant of commanders of the fortress Hodidid, claimant of direct paternal descent from Greater Cumania, autonomous entity of the Kingdom of Hungary, modern day Hungary.
Oh it seems I am not descended of Hodidjed fort commander. There is a family from Sarajevo with same surname as my maternal family who are but it seems there were 4 separate families with the same surname from Sarajevo 200 years ago who cannot be linked, and surname is based on Ottoman state monopoly of coffee productions which was given to some people for a year or much more. These 4 families are from 4 separate mahallas (quarters) and it is very unlikely a single family can hold onto such lucrative monopoly.
Anyway even if I am not related to that branch still my grandfathers branch were designated in 1781. as kişizade, which means "noble". Only 5 families of Bosnia had this designation. One tested is Spanish I-M26, descended of Spanish muslims. Another from Mostar, historians use this surname to suggest Turkish origin. Another kişizade from Sarajevo are most likely descended from Hungary. Not 100 % but ancestor might be related to a Janissary unit which was stationed at the same place in 1680 from where the other family comes from probably (North of Budapest). I talked to a cousin, to get him tested.
My grandfathers mother is descended from another Sarajevo family which descends of muslims from Sanjak of Pakrac. Again like many they arrived in late 17th century.
Grandmothers family Zavidovici, mid 19th century, some Turkish origin claims, but that village seems to have been composed of locals 400 years ago. But this claim relates to 200 years ago, probably local but have to test.
Grandmothers mother family, moved to Sarajevo from Donji Vakuf century ago. Ancestor 200 years ago mentioned with a surname indicating certain origin from muslims of Timișoara/Temesvar. Certainly arrived from Timișoara after 1716. when the Ottomans lost it. My mtdna I1a1a is from here.
I have lots of foreign ancestry, even unusual for Bosniaks.
So I have more motivation now to ensure my paternal ancestry is also foreign!
Finally my clade is isolated https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A24066/
Unexpectedly I got a Bosniak from Central Bosnia there. Among over 1000 tested Serbs from Bosnia I don't have a single member of my clade, and very unlikely I will. There is another Bosniak from NE Bosnia of my clade but he is descended of my family so surely about 500 years at best from me. And he came from Peshter area.
We'll see how many novels he has, my 14 novels make up 2200 ybp, on YFull they only count novels of best quality. Still we share 12 of best quality.
Bosniaks from Central Bosnia have more native ancestry than Serbs or even Croats, very low Vlach, and Albanian sporadic. It could be some old Illyrian connection but:
Bosniaks from Central Bosnia also have had strong Hungarian influence since Medieval Bosnia, and some migration of muslims from Hungarian areas post Battle of Wiena in 1683. I have such ancestry myself.
Who seems closest to YF67778? There is one study sample:
Bosniak____14 24 14 10 16-18 11 12 13 13 11 29 17 14 20 12 17 11 22
RU281 Cluj_14 24 13 10 16-18 11 12 13 13 11 29 18 14 20 12 18 11 22
So GD=3/19 but they share dys393=14 which is very rare for V13. Karcag family has ordered BigY700, I used to think he may be related to RU281 GD=4/19 dys456=18, but Bosniak has a better case, he also has elevated dys458. If that's true then RU281 and Györfi from Karcag despite being in that region are pretty distant.
In a village where Bosniak is from in 1604. there were people named Gaspar, Galin, land called Shargan.
Also in Central Bosnia there are finds of proto-Magyar N-M2019, and also some Bosniak R-Z326 (which exists in Hungary I can say based on STR's), G-PH1780 (from Hungary where it is found or Anatolia).
So there are already some certain and potential links.
Karcag cousin told me they are of certain Cuman origin. In fact there is another family with same/similar surname, I was told this family is not Cuman.
I've found one of my subcluster dys385b=17 in Vojvodina study. Vojvodina Serbs are descended of Krajina Serbs or Raska Serbs mostly, in first my cousins don't exist, among second there is my cluster but this guy must be 1000 years away, he is not of my family. He looks similar to some Serbian/Bulgarian border region people. As that study had many non-Serbs, Hungarians, Romanians, Roma, this guy might easily be a Hungarian or Banat Romanian (very undertested area).
All that I want is to find a single member of my cluster dys385b=17 in Kunsag. And that would be it. Usually when you probe a population, more common haplotypes pop out, so if the first and only tested from Karcag was my cousin there should be more.. Especially as in the Balkans this cluster is found in some places suggesting Cumano-Pecheneg links..