LMAO, Asburg is Kuqi? Jesus Christ that explains a lot of his obsession on Albanian threads. Him knowing deep down that he's a shiptar must sting like crazy, poor lad.
First of all, there was no historical "Jesus Christ"..
It's Aspurg, derived of Iranian Aspa.
I have nothing particular against being Albanian. I kinda like all peoples that are conquerors or "savages". And Albanians in the eyes of much of the world do class as savages and barbarians, primitives, though you try to pass off as "innocent victims". Albanian culture is very "barbaric" in its core. Which is not bad.
No. E-A24066, now we can say
for ever has no ancestral connection whatsoever with the Kuchi/Kuqi tribe or with the Brda region or even with the Montenegro as a land. Under the presence of both Ottoman Kuqi (Among Sandzaklije plenty of them were Albanian speaking Kuqi) and Ortodox Kuchi, my family alongside at least 10 or 15 other haplogroups in the region adopted a tradition of "Kuchi" ancestry. This sort of tradition was always extremely foggy. In a big book about the Kuchi tribe, just one small branch of my family is mentioned. Not the most.
But my brotherhood were well attested in the area long before the 1683 Wiena war which caused the migration of the Kuchi and other tribes to this area and departure of various others.
Under the A24066 there is a cluster that has a TMRCA of around 1000 ybp. Hopefully I can have more members soon enough with NGS results. Working on that..
- Romanian/"Vlach" (so called "Vlachs" from there all have recent Romanian origin) from NE Serbia, originating from Transylvania, his ancestor had a Hungarian name, surname is Ottoman derived in origin, so cannot be very old. We'll see who his relatives in Romania are.
- Vojvodina anonymous result, likely a Romanian as my clade does not exist in Vojvodina Serbs.
- Serb from Pečenjevce village near Leskovac, of unknown origin, so they might be locals and they are the most numerous clan in the village.
- Bulgarian from Sofija
these are the older members of cluster. I can say Romanian is clearly distant to all. Some of their mutual relationship will be determined I hope via some NGS results soon enough.
Under these a new cluster defined by H4=11 backmutation, TMRCA likely loosely around 800 ybp
- Serb anonymous Central or Eastern Serbia, likely eastern, or more properly from Serbia, as already shown some of my relatives from Serbia are not Serbs..
- Serb Southeast Serbia
- North Macedonian
- Serb from Peshter plateau, they lived in the Boroshtica village which is now inhabited by the Shkreli Sandzakliyas. they left this village with Karagjordje in 1809 and settled in Central Serbia. Maybe connected to this Macedonian, maybe not.
A new Western Balkan sub cluster under H4=11 defined by 385a=17, TMRCA likely around 600 ybp
- My family attested in Bijelo Polje prior to 1645, and among prominent families.
- Serbs from central Serbia. 3 separate groups of families whose old surname in 18th century was "Čarović"/Charovich, they too had to leave the Raždaginja village on Peshter plateau in 1809. with Karagjordje they settled in Central Serbia.
- Bosniak from Tuzla, anonymous
- Another Bosniak from Bosnia..
Already this tree indicates the origin of the clade is in the East. East of Morava river 100 %..
1. TMRCA of my clade on Peshter plateau reaches surely around 800 years.. My family are unrelated to Kuchi and related to families nearby who have no Kuchi origin story. My family had no idea they were related to these families, nor did these families ever claim any such relation. My family also had no idea who our ancestor was, though he was prominent. Obviously their memory was erased by the Ottoman Malesor and Brdjani incomers in 18th century. I mean my family was "Ottoman" too in 17th, 16th century.. Only after an inscription was found some decades ago was discovered that my family was not only older in the area but also prominent. So anything my family today says is worthless and irrelevant. This tradition, can finally be labelled forever as made up, around 150-200 years ago.
2. Ancestry of mine
is foreign to the region.
100 % it is
not Serbian, is
not Montenegrin, is
not Albanian, is not Greek, is not Aromanian, is
not Croatian.. 800 years ago my ancestors spoke none of these as a native tongue.
3. What is it.. Either:
3.1.
Proto-Romanian In Romanians also occurs the sister branch: the E-FT192275, in Romanians from Transylvania also. So this would mean romanised in 1st/2nd century AD, trying to eradicate and latinise other Paleo-Balkanites.. It could fit in "Romanized Dacians" too, but I am very sceptical of existence of such a population.
There were late medieval Vlach groups next to Bijelo Polje, and on central/Eastern Peshter as well, and especially north of Sjenica were the
Vlachs of Sjenica from Stari Vlah. But my cluster
does not occur in villages associated with those Vlachs. Not once, had that been the case Vlach/Romanian ancestry would have been pretty certain.
My own most distant ancestor or carrier of surname had a name which could be Romanian, it was very common at that time at the Peshter/Sjenica, and is an evidence he was from there in any case. Plus few of those Vlachs have few Albanoid traces, so some Albanian clade in an area, which also do exist was surely also involved with them. If you have Albanoid traces in a Vlach group (like in Vlachs of Stari Vlah) that totally speaks against my cluster, as my cluster is non-Albanian. Also this Vlach group could have had people of Cuman origin, one land among them was called "Kuman".
3.2.
Pecheneg.
3.2.1 Occurs in Pečenjevce, the most reliable onomastic remnant of the Pechenegs on the Balkans. Had they been migrants to that village they would have had such tradition. They didn't, and the strongest family numerically there. Also occurs in the an area of Serdika - Nish - Ovče Polje where Pechenegs were settled.
3.2.2 The ancestry of family must be traced to Christian sipahis from Peshter highlands from 1530's who were in sort of , even blood (these Bosniaks could be such a hint), relationship with the most prominent Ottoman family from that area, the family of Ahmed-bey silahdar (who consructed the oldest mosque in Novi Pazar for ex.). The thing about these, one of them was from Zaječiće next to Raždaginja where my relatives are from. The other was connected to Baljen, and Charovina next to Baljen, he held Charovina. This other Serb clan is/was called Charovich and there is no such surname in any other Serbs. Their ancestor was certain Huban who lived in second half of 15th century. We know this as fief of one of these sipahis was replaced in 1530 from village Baljen with a feudal land ciftlik carrying the name of Radonja son of Huban. In 1530 Radonja was not alive, so from this fact we can guess when this Huban lived.
My village next to Bijelo Polje was property of this Ottoman family and the monastery we funded. Literally everywhere where this Ottoman family appears the A24066 links appear.. Obviously they allowed my family to be settled there 400+ years ago.
3.2.3 Boroštica, Raždaginja, Zaječiće are all
clear Bulgarian toponyms as is the Pešter.
3.2.4 Huban is a distinct medieval Bulgarian name of Cuman origin, stemming from Classical Persian loan into Cuman meaning "beautiful". Similar word also exists in Mongol.
3.2.5 Another village likely involved with me is Čajkovina-Lopiže, why because it seems son of one of these sipahis led the vojnuk community there later. My surname occurs there, not certain 100 %, depends on translations. One branch of my family also exists there, and nobody knows to whom they are related to. Čajkovina is derived of
stream called Čayak. And in Turkic languages stream is called
çayık, meaning the
stream...
3.2.6 Also while one translator of the Ottoman defter in 1604. translate one vojnuk from there as Slavic Dabiživ, the other also an expert translator from Bosnia translated this name as
Terežan, There is such surname in Romania. It is of Turkic root, it means "descendant of a khan". Why is this interesting to me, well Čagrovič was one of Pecheneg or Berindei ruling or khan families. I have been trying to test this family, and they will be tested.. It's no certainty but it is interesting.
3.2.7 Čekman Čagrovič was a khan from 12th century. Next to Pečenjevce there is Čekmin, not far there is Čagrovac and my old surname is Charovich (as my old current surname means just a person settled in our village), or Chaykovich (from çayık).
There clearly was in Western Peshter, West of the Vlachs a group of Bulgarian-Pecheneg/Berendei/Turkic origin. Also for example village Tuzina, also taken over by the Kelmendi, can only have Albanian (Tuz tribe) or Turkic (Tuz salt) etymology. In 1455. a number of people had East Balkan Slavic names, and one had a Turkic name Shayman. Ofc what about the mountain of Žilindar. Pure Kipchak. It does not appear anything else. Also another Serbian Y-DNA result of other hg might point there..
Also in 1455. in Goševo on Peshter there was a voynuk Drman son of Kudel (remember Darman and Kudelin). Surely enough of that exists for such a thesis, not a thesis, surely some people of Steppe origin were there. And if my cluster occurs there and in Pečenjevce far away, do you really think that can be an accident. I don't.. Charovich means nothing in Serbian expect magic, and no people carried such surnames.. In fact in Dubnica (one of my relatives from Raždaginja also mention spending some time in Dubnica) in 1455. there was a voynuk called Chehrin. With "h" still present. This is is gutural "gh" same as in Arabic, and etimology of Chaghrovich was Chaghir, the hawk.
This is probably related to the Bulgarian attack on Serbia in 1253. and 1254. And now also I know one Bulgarian noble involved in this had a Russian name. meaning he was a Bulgarian of recent foreign ancestry, Cuman, Berendei or Brodnik..
It has been since 5 years ago my thesis that we are these, it is still that, and genetic and other evidence has supported that.
Either way only proto-Romanian or Pecheneg, nothing else is even possible anymore for my subbranch.
Onto Romania, Romanians in Transylvania of A24066 have a TMRCA of 1850 ybp (same as current), they have distant IA relatives in an Eastern Hungarian for whom no Vlach ancestry could be made up.
In 1202 Vlachs were first attested in the Forests of the Vlachs and Pechenegs south of Sibiu. This is where obviously Vlachs mixed with the Pechenegs, and so today Romanians from Transylvania have even Asian Avar lineages, have other Pecheneg lineage (I-L38 subbranch) etc. So far I haven't seen A24066 in Romanians from Wallachia or Moldova. No doubt A24066 is an important branch in Romanians from Transylvania, of limited samples so far, it reaches 1 % in that population, very high for the standards of my rare clade (other such % is in Bosnia). Question is are they incomers from the South and locals. Certainly a strong case for locals could be made for them.. We'll see about future results. Also lack of my clade in Albanians sort of speaks against the proto-Romanian links, because many proto-Romanian lineages have relatives in Albanians, but on the other hand a great number don't..
Z17107 is of Northern Carpathian EIA origin judging by all evidence. One branch ended up in Albanians, this is the only firmly Balkan branch of Z17107.
I have absolutely nothing to do with Albanian ethnicity, Albanoi in any sense, shape or form and will never, ever have any sort of ancestral connection to the Albanians. Anybody saying the opposite is an imbecile, troll... Anybody can say anything, and deep down evidence clearly says 0 connection to Albanians, and that will not change. Ever..
Also I am not any sort of a local who was assimilated by the Slavs long ago. Not a chance of that. My ancestors were an important and integral part of a group.
As I've said so far, we do not show any Vlach connection in the Balkans, despite these being all around us.. that kinda says we are not of them.. Our clade is most diverse in Carpathians, not on the Balkans..
One Pecheneg is worth more than 100 Albanians or Serbs put together in my book.. Understand that Albanian. Long before I joined poreklo or eupedia I was a worshipper of "superior" Steppe invaders and will not stop at anything to ensure my own ancestry has as much of it as possible in any context anywhere...
That is why we are at war on V13.. In my book V13 must be savage, IE. Period. And that's what it is in a certain capacity at least.
As you can see my ancestry is non only very non-Albanian but also totally at odds with Albanians. Albanian descended people literally live on places that belonged to my people 300, 400, 500, 600, 700 years ago.. And you dare to parade these immigrants as some sort of "old Albanian presence on Peshter" highlands.. Old as most of Kosovo Albanian migrants from Malesia or Puka 200-300 years ago...
Raždaginja, Boroštica was literally my land, not the land of the Ottoman Shkreli or Kelmendi... But I don't complain, it's against my principles to complain on such matters. That's the Albanian way, Slavic way, you name it, not the Pecheneg way..
What is my ancestry in Medieval times? IMO atm. with new results:
80 % Pecheneg
20 % proto-Romanian
0 % anything else
So surely members of this clade "could or should be entitled" to citizenship of Romania.. In any case my ancestry is either from the territory of modern Romania, or of Romanians. That surely is the people I am very related to one way or the other. If my ancestor was a Bulgarian 800 years ago, he had Pecheneg origins from Romania etc.
Also interestingly in a Serbian village Pečenog there is one E-V13 family which came from that same Raždaginja village few hundred years ago. The thing is, village Pečenog does not exist in any older documents that I have seen. So somebody could have brought that name few hundred years ago from somewhere..
I am glad I could share some new facts. And there will be more I am pretty sure soon enough..