Dema
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- Ethnic group
- Albanian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- J2-M205
What in hell are you talking about? Just PM me in Albanian.
I simply said that what he said about Vasojevic makes sense and that now we finally have evidence that Hoti, Krasniqi, Vasojevic, etc. were not brothers. Where's the disinformation?
Besides, you're the guy (Dema of The Apricity) that claims that E-V13 Albanians have African or as you say "bumpy" noses and lips and only you J2 Elite Race are so handsome to look upon.
Too hurt that you got a ME J2-M205* and turned that hatred towards E-V13 Albanians because of us being a dominant group?
Back to TA and stop bothering Aspurg too. He's a nice guy and he'll probably take his time to answer your nonsense so I hope he reads this first.
Aspurg didn't label all the E-V13 Arvanite but since they were found among Greeks who are very close to and share the same deep clades with Albanians, therefore they must be Arvanite clades in Greece. He didn't rename the clade.
Second, we know that Vlachs in Greece came mostly from Eastern Balkans so no point of wasting time again.
Third, you seem so keen to connect us "bumpy nosed and lips E-V13" with Afro-Asiatic languages. Is it because your haplogroup is originally Arab that you want all of us to be of Afro-Asiatic origin so that you don't feel lonely and alienated?
And change your flag to Kosovo you're not from Albania.
Disinformation is claiming that Malisor which would also include Albanian clans also have origin in Bosnia and Hercegovina. Only that. And i am opening topic about that as we speak.
Furthermore i cant believe the amount of nonsense you written in this post. To answer to you i would totally have to go off-topic into childish level where i dont want to be.
I was never hurt to be J2-M205, but rather investigating deeper and deeper i realized what i already knew. And that is that we come from very proud and honorable people.
Also as we knew nothing about this group before, now we do know a great deal. Phoenicians assimilated into Ancient Greeks and Illyrians.
No i wont get back to TA, i dont even read it, i left it with my own desire and i dont have time for such a time-wasting forum. Also i didnt agree with most of TA on majority of things.
Aspurg didnt label all the E-v13 Arvanite but for Illyrian origin he left room only for these two groups: Arvanite, and Vlach. Even tho i have respect for Aspurg work i just wanted to give him hint into my view of situation. Besides Aromun and Arvanite are modern ethnic groups, we are here talking about ancient origin, more focused into a Bronze Age. So i dont see logic putting Aromun and Arvanite alongside Hellenic, Illyrian, Dacian etc... Its just like mixing apples and pears.
Furthermore, im answering your questions as i read them, What about Vlachs in Greece? Read what i written about Bosch et al above, Vlachs are just Latinized Romanized Balkan natives, a bit isolated from rest tho, later also slavic influenced. They could be just as of Illyrian just as of Hellenic origin.
No one is seem to connect E-v13 with Afro-Asiatic you idiot. My very best friends in Kosovo and Albania are E-v13 but also my both best real life Croat friends (place where i live) turned out to be E-v13.
I have nothing but respect for this haplogroup and i never talked bad about it. What you are talking about is probably a short period when E-v13 was a bit trolled on TA and if you cant take that then you should question yourself again. Second to that i dont say that you have a bumpy nose but i have theory that Ydna is connected with physical look. But i was always claiming E-v13 is European haplogroup. What we are talking here is more ancient origin.
L618 went thru Middle East, most likely speaking sort of Afro-Asiatic language. Semitic also goes into that group. Same with haplogroup G2 bringing Neolitic agro-culture to European hunter gatherers.
When E-L618 made E-v13 we dont know what kind of language they adopted or continued and seems that entire part of E-v13 and L618 from ancient bones is lost in bottleneck, does not exist in modern people. I see only one survivior from Sardnia in Yfull who is L618+ and V13- https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L618/
Only ones who exist are 4800 years TMRCA BA clades that seem to expanded with Indo-Europeans. But E-v13 is formed 8100 ybp. So we are talking about this entire population of E-v13 from 4800 TMRCA to 8100 years TMRCA and entire L618 which was lost in bottleneck and for sure was not of IE origin. We know that it arrived to Europe thru Middle East most early possible is 12 000 years ago. But it could be later. Definitivley speaking Afro Asiatic or also known as Hamito Semitic language.
My haplogroup is not Arab but proto-Semitic and Mediterranean for 6000 years, Latin alphabet that we are using right now and ancient Greek alphabets both have origin in ancient Phoenician Semitic alphabet. And even if i was Arab i would not care the slightest, i wont remove Albanian flag, and if i remove it i will put Palestinian one instead, its my personal choice.