Elite leader of the Varna Culture T-M184 ( western Black sea coast )

Salento said:
Migrations vs Subclades Mutations.
Got this from 23andme V5 more o less couple of month ago as part of my results.
Thanks (Your tree Shows me as Europe Middle Bronze Age) [emoji2]
This is what NatGeo Helix got.
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Al of these maps has a very poor research behind it. Too limited references. Don't take into account them. I have talked with 23andMe team some years ago and they use close to nothing to make these maps. Genographic project also have outdated maps.
 
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The amount of information that we currently have at our fingertips seems to open our minds to a field of possibilities. I'm starting my second month and all I can say is thank you for sharing the high and lows of knowing about where to start.
 
davef said:
Wait, what does Tuscan like actually mean? Don't Tuscans vary? Is being Tuscan like simply a matter of being genetically similar to any Tuscan group, whether Southern Tuscan, northern, or in between?

A bit confused
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IMO, a Tuscan mean: an Individual with more or less North/Center Italy + Etruscan Ancestry.
Some on my results specifically single out the Tuscans, asserting that I match the reference DNA from Tuscans individuals with Italian Ancestry. (In other results I also match the Center and South Italians.)
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You mean these Etruscans? :)

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I don’t Know, it’s all confusing to me, all DNA companies seems to a degree to contradict themselves. I give up, and go away for a while!
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Salento said:
I don’t Know, it’s all confusing to me, all DNA companies seems to a degree to contradict themselves. I give up, and go away for a while!
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Stick with academic papers and you'll be fine. :)
 
I got GEDmatch autosomal results for Var43 Unreliable really, because there are less than 11k SNPs, but anyway and as a curiosity I will post here:

GEDROSIA Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------36%
East European HG---------------------------29%
Iran Neolithic-----------------------------------15%
Natufian-----------------------------------------11%
Karitiana------------------------------------------8%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Anatolia_ChL 22.89
 
Alpenjager said:
I got GEDmatch autosomal results for Var43 Unreliable really, because there are less than 11k SNPs, but anyway and as a curiosity I will post here:

GEDROSIA Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------36%
East European HG---------------------------29%
Iran Neolithic-----------------------------------15%
Natufian-----------------------------------------11%
Karitiana------------------------------------------8%

Single Population Sharing:
#Population (source)Distance
1Anatolia_ChL22.89
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Do you know the Gedmatch Kit Numbers of var43 and the others that you posted on the Y T in Germany ? Thanks a lot if you post them.
 
Salento said:
Do you know the Gedmatch Kit Numbers of var43 and the others that you posted on the Y T in Germany ? Thanks a lot if you post them.
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[TABLE="width: 450"]
[TR]
[TD]Z002783[/TD]
[TD]ANI152 (VAR43)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="width: 450"]
[TR]
[TD]Z017041[/TD]
[TD]I0700 Malak Preslavets[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="width: 450"]
[TR]
[TD]Z113504[/TD]
[TD]I1108 Malak Preslavets[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Alpenjager said:
[TABLE="width: 450"]
[TR]
[TD]Z002783[/TD]
[TD]ANI152 (VAR43)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="width: 450"]
[TR]
[TD]Z017041[/TD]
[TD]I0700 Malak Preslavets[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="width: 450"]
[TR]
[TD]Z113504[/TD]
[TD]I1108 Malak Preslavets[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Thanks for the Kit numbers Alpenjager. :)
 
Golden Man (Var43) Eurogenes K36 Results. As Alpenjager stated earlier the Kit has only 11K snp’s, Just for Curiosity. [emoji3]
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Salento said:
Golden Man (Var43) Eurogenes K36 Results. As Alpenjager stated earlier the Kit has only 11K snp’s, Just for Curiosity. [emoji3]
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lol this Fossil scores more Italian than me. (I’m 27.65 IT on K36)
 
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Golden Man var43 puntDNAL K10 Ancient
Kit Z002783 (11K SNP’s only - limited accuracy)

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1ENF60.72
2WHG29.03
3CHG10.25

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Sardinian10.58
2Sicilian18.4
3Italian_South21.11
4Sephardic_Jew21.34
5Tuscan22.18
6Spanish_Southwest22.31
7Ashkenazi_Jew24.14
8Italian_North24.33
9Albanian25.63
10Spanish_Northeast25.71
11Moroccan26.32
12Greek26.38
13Tunisian26.64
14Cypriot26.97
15Lebanese30.55
16Egyptian30.67
17Basque_Spanish30.75
18Jordanian31.13
19Algerian31.16
20Bulgarian31.35
 
How do you know Zeffirelli is a J2? I have heard that he is only related to Da Vinci by marriage.

Thank you
 
Alpenjager said:
Among the several samples found in the recently published Mathieson et al study is found the sample of a Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture, this ruler was the priest-king of a powerful metallurgical civilisation (the earliest major assemblage of gold artifacts anywhere in the world), with male dominance and the first fully developed hierarchy.
His grave counts with around 1000 pieces of Gold like a War Axe, Bulls and a penis protection. This is the most richest grave in the world at this time period, as far as known.

He is found to be positive for T-M184 equivalent SNPs:
Y3804/FGC1231+
Z7767/FGC1179+

This sample: ANI152 / VAR43 is dated as 6495yBP and his mtDNA is U2

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Hello to all!

I have the above mentioned Y3804/FGC1231+ and Z7767/FGC1179+ SNPs in my Y Tree.
What significance should I read into that?
 
BMW said:
Hello to all!

I have the above mentioned Y3804/FGC1231+ and Z7767/FGC1179+ SNPs in my Y Tree.
What significance should I read into that?
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All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think.

Papà below: lol

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Salento said:
All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think.

Papà below: lol

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ooooo my Papaaaaa :77: :innocent:
 
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