Crime Fastest growth in America's murder rate since the 1970s

[Angela]

See:
http://www.economist.com/news/unite...omist-americas-murder-rate-rising-its-fastest

 

[LeBrok]

Interesting. They emphasise rise of gangs, black gangs, in blame for rise of murders. I wonder if it has something to do with recent cheap drugs epidemic and police being over sensitive engaging black males or entering black neighborhoods these days.

 

[Guivre]

Interesting. They emphasise rise of gangs, black gangs, in blame for rise of murders. I wonder if it has something to do with recent cheap drugs epidemic and police being over sensitive engaging black males or entering black neighborhoods these days.

I'm outside Chicago, where it's new hispanic gangs and old black gangs fighting over territory, so...

The not wanting to engage with blacks is a recent phenomena whereas the wars are not. When I was a kid in the 70/80s there were still WHITE gangs. There aren't anymore.

The worst homicide rate was in the 90's. (NYC the same) Chicago has been known to cook the books with crime statistics but the trend is probably correct.

Anyway, the article is correct but misleading because the rate increases and decreases and they don't want to talk about the 90's, I guess.

 

[I1a3_Young]

Gang wars are going strong in Little Rock. This recent violence is reminiscent of the early 90's. I have overheard students talking about how "sun goes down, it's goin down" implying to be off the streets by dark.

 

[Angela]

Gang wars are going strong in Little Rock. This recent violence is reminiscent of the early 90's. I have overheard students talking about how "sun goes down, it's goin down" implying to be off the streets by dark.

All over drugs,yes?

I wonder if legalizing it all would really make things different? It seems so much like bread and circuses then, though. Let's just give the lowest class enough welfare to barely stay alive and let them get drugs legally. If they kill themselves who cares. That's one of the reasons I'm uncomfortable with it.

 

[Jovialis]

The murder rate has increased in the surrounding area where I work near Newark, and it is due to Bloods and Crips, but also many Hispanic gangs like MS-13, Trinitarios, and Latin Kings.

A friend of mine was murdered a few years back by a high school kid that was trying to rob him and some other people he was with. He was supposed to go off to the army the next week. They were walking nearby some bad areas at night. He tried to be brave and fight him off, but he was shot in the head, and died the next day in the hospital. At the very least the caught the kid who did it.

 

[I1a3_Young]

In 2016, 43 people were murdered in Little Rock - note that this doesn't count North Little Rock and surrounding cities. This was a 35% increase over 2015.

By August 20 the city had already surpassed the mark for all of 2016 with 45 homicides. Not all of them appear to be drug related, often they are armed robbery scenarios.

Double murder-suicide - domestic dispute.
Drive by included multiple other nonfatal injuries
Unknown - 27 year old found in bad part of town (shot)
Home invasion/robbery, victim shot in both legs and later died
Unknown - 54 year old found in bad part of town
Shooting death and multiple other nonfatal injuries
Unknown - 50 year old lady found dead
55 year old shot at apartment complex
31 year old Italian man Carlo Marigliano found shot to death, was driving at the time and crashed into apartments
Police found body in apartment complex after multiple reports of gunshots
Man sitting in car outside home when killer walked up and shot him
14 year old found on floor of an apartment shot multiple times
19 year old found murdered in the street, had recently moved to Little Rock
64 year old found shot inside his apartment - neighbors say he sold candy and cigarettes from his apartment (probably not all he sold)
36 year old woman found dead by some apartments
Another 36 year old woman found dead in her apartment
28 year old woman found dead in her apartment (not shot)
19 year old checked himself into hospital suffering from gunshots and died
21 year old woman found dead in trailer park after being reported missing after work
32 year old woman and her 15 year old son found shot to death in their car in a trailer park (another body found in park of apparent suicide) presumably domestic
24 year old shot while coming home from buying diapers for baby in failed carjacking by masked man
52 year old woman found shot inside her home - neighbors reported loud arguing and gunshots
Two younger men stabbed a 50 year old men to death after an argument
60 year old in-home daycare facility worker killed in drive by shooting - the facility was full of children at the time
17 year old juvenile killed in apartment complex after extensive shootout in which two juveniles tried to rob another man who lived in the complex
38 year old shot by his brother
45 year old found murdered on his couch in his home just before midnight
21 year old found lying by his car with gunshot wound in the leg, later died
20 & 19 year old men were found dead in apartment complex, 2 other young men were seen fleeing the scene
19 year old shot outside a shopping center in front of which a "large crowd of people were loitering around 11pm"
55 year old man fatally stabbed by his wife
19 year old man found dead from gunshot on a sidewalk
40 year old man beaten to death with a bat, later found in possession by his wife
24 year old man shot in his parked car by masked man
29 year old shot to death in car by drive by
18 year old killed and others suffered gunshot wounds in apartment complex robbery
35 year old robber killed by victim after losing control of his gun - trying to rob a Domino's Pizza cash drop at a bank
4 month old death ruled a homicide by intentional Benadryl toxicity
20 year old shot multiple times on the streets in bad part of town at night

The non-domestic cases are usually unsolved.

 

[LeBrok]

All over drugs,yes?

I wonder if legalizing it all would really make things different? It seems so much like bread and circuses then, though. Let's just give the lowest class enough welfare to barely stay alive and let them get drugs legally. If they kill themselves who cares. That's one of the reasons I'm uncomfortable with it.

So it is going to be the same for them, minus organized gang killing. Compare it to alcohol prohibition and bootlegging gang problems. Legalization of alcohol brought end to organized crime in this department, state gets taxation revenue, and I don't think people drink that much more.
Granted, nobody tried this approach before with drugs, way more addictive substance than alcohol, so we can't be sure of results. But I say, let's try something new than continue old ways that don't work.

 

[Angela]

So it is going to be the same for them, minus organized gang killing. Compare it to alcohol prohibition and bootlegging gang problems. Legalization of alcohol brought end to organized crime in this department, state gets taxation revenue, and I don't think people drink that much more.
Granted, nobody tried this approach before with drugs, way more addictive substance than alcohol, so we can't be sure of results. But I say, let's try something new than continue old ways that don't work.

I've been going around and around about this for years, and believe me, I see the rationale as far as stopping gang violence, robbery etc.

However, things like this give me pause. What will happen to the rates if it's legalized?

Also, shouldn't we consider how societal trends like taking away people's livelihood impacts the drive to take drugs? Just because it probably won't affect our descendants doesn't mean we shouldn't care.

Being handed money as a charity is a different thing in terms of self-esteem that earning a decent living for yourself and your family.

Some people just don't have the capacity to the only kind of jobs that will be left.

 

[I1a3_Young]

I think my last post attempt was lost. An individual breakdown of the murders in Little Rock this year shows that many of them aren't directly related to drugs. I'm sure some were. Many of them were robbery-related and many were senseless violence such as a 60 year old daycare worker killed in a drive-by shooting.

 

[LeBrok]

I've been going around and around about this for years, and believe me, I see the rationale as far as stopping gang violence, robbery etc.

However, things like this give me pause. What will happen to the rates if it's legalized?

Also, shouldn't we consider how societal trends like taking away people's livelihood impacts the drive to take drugs? Just because it probably won't affect our descendants doesn't mean we shouldn't care.

Yep, it is scary and urgent to do something. The increased deaths might be largely due to impurities, contaminations, variations of potency, increased addictiveness of "home made" drugs. All of these would go away when drugs will made by pharmaceutical companies.

Being handed money as a charity is a different thing in terms of self-esteem that earning a decent living for yourself and your family.

Some people just don't have the capacity to the only kind of jobs that will be left.

Wow, what a difference! I didn't expect that. Perhaps, free post secondary education might help? Obviously people in poverty can't afford natural highs like vacation, a house, new car, less stressful life, better health, etc. The easy and instant highs are broadly available, alcohol and narcotics.

 

[LeBrok]

I think my last post attempt was lost. An individual breakdown of the murders in Little Rock this year shows that many of them aren't directly related to drugs. I'm sure some were. Many of them were robbery-related and many were senseless violence such as a 60 year old daycare worker killed in a drive-by shooting.

The increase of senseless crime could be due to rising depression of young people. If only one could figure why it is one a rise...

 

[Angela]

The increase of senseless crime could be due to rising depression of young people. If only one could figure why it is one a rise...

Every so often posts automatically get put into a "moderated" hopper, even those of moderators. I didn't come back to this thread so I didn't notice it. If you see that in the future, just send one of us a pm so we can clear it for you. I'll do that now.

 

[LeBrok]

Every so often posts automatically get put into a "moderated" hopper, even those of moderators. I didn't come back to this thread so I didn't notice it. If you see that in the future, just send one of us a pm so we can clear it for you. I'll do that now.

I liberated this one too.

 

[Angela]

I liberated this one too.

You beat me to it.

 

[Angela]

The increase of senseless crime could be due to rising depression of young people. If only one could figure why it is one a rise...

It's not only depression, it's alienation and socio-pathology, and violence, as Young's post highlights. This is all very worrying.