K7b Feldman et al. 2019 - Philistines (Dodecad K7b)

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Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines, in combined raw data format, for Dodecad K7b

Code:
ASH2-3,1.21,46.62,0,0,38.35,13.83,0
ASH008,0.18,42.51,0,1.54,51.21,3.78,0.78
ASH029,0.15,33.22,0,1.32,50.32,14.98,0
ASH033,0.16,40.98,0,0.48,48.03,10.35,0
ASH034,0.44,40.99,0,1.22,49.91,7.05,0.39
ASH066,5.15,33.5,0.99,2.59,47.65,10.12,0
ASH067,0,33.93,0,0.79,44.03,21.25,0
ASH068_Philistine,0,16.83,0,1.14,41.71,39.5,0.82
ASH087,1.41,36.28,2.08,1.7,57.25,1.28,0
ASH135,0,30.62,0,5.42,50.08,13.2,0.69

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Distance to:adam
15.12701557ASH068_Philistine
15.76275357ASH067
24.16135551ASH029
25.56163336ASH135
26.52904258ASH2-3
27.28814395ASH066
28.93002592ASH033
32.44074598ASH034
36.25941809ASH008
39.64634662ASH087
 
Jovialis: Great work. Do Feldman et al 2019 provide any discussion as to why ASH068 being closer distance wise to you and a little more so to me then big break till ASH067, 19.97 for me and 23.33 for you. Seems like the 10 samples follow a similar distribution pattern for you and me. Pattern looks similar for KingJohn as well.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
9.47272400ASH068_Philistine
19.97005508ASH067
27.53786847ASH029
28.59305160ASH135
31.13877807ASH066
32.28633457ASH2-3
33.52379603ASH033
36.86681299ASH034
40.69748518ASH008
43.16942089ASH087
 
Jovialis: Great work. Do Feldman et al 2019 provide any discussion as to why ASH068 being closer distance wise to you and a little more so to me then big break till ASH067, 19.97 for me and 23.33 for you. Seems like the 10 samples follow a similar distribution pattern for you and me. Pattern looks similar for KingJohn as well.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
9.47272400ASH068_Philistine
19.97005508ASH067
27.53786847ASH029
28.59305160ASH135
31.13877807ASH066
32.28633457ASH2-3
33.52379603ASH033
36.86681299ASH034
40.69748518ASH008
43.16942089ASH087

The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.
 
The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.

Here the PCA illustrates this:

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The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.

Ok, well done. So ASH068 is more Mycenaean like which explains the closer distance to both of us. Makes sense given the results from the Lazaridis et al 2017 samples and K7 distances.

Thanks again with the explanation.
 
Jovialis: Your explanation in post #5 was spot on. I just took the Dodecad 7B coordinates for the Antonio et al 2019 Roman samples, the Lazararidis et al 2017 Ancient Greek samples and the Feldman et al 2019 ancient Philistine samples. I pust ASH068 as the target and BINGO, very close to the Mycenaeans and even closer to ancient Romans. ASH067 distance doesn't show up till 25.13

Distance to:ASH068_Philistine
5.29715018I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
5.55584377I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
5.80381771I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
7.58544659R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.82954132R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.90178072R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.40553029I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
9.54626105R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
9.59756740R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.73458782R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.87794513R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.00432906R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
10.07782715R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.10197505R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
10.19823514R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
10.39451779R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.60361731R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
10.65546808I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
10.68852188R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
10.80169431R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
10.80923679R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
10.82677237R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.82863796I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
11.00978656R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.03971920R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia

Target: ASH068_Philistine
Distance: 0.7413% / 0.74126690 | ADC: 0.25x

53.6I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
23.6I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
15.0I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
4.0R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
2.6I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
1.2TIT015
 
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There ought to be more Sea People than just the Cretans.

if the Sea People were Cretans,
ASH068 is closer to the Mycenaeans,
but the Ancient Cretans were genetically Minoans, I think ...

... unless the Mycenaeans were already in Crete by that time, ...

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The Minoan civilization was over by the the time of the Sea People, so was the Mycenean civilization. The sea people are blamed for the downfall of that civilization. Could the Greek tribes coming down from somewhere in the Balkans be the Sea Peoples? Not a disproven theory yet.
 

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