K7b Feldman et al. 2019 - Philistines (Dodecad K7b)

[Jovialis]

Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines, in combined raw data format, for Dodecad K7b

ASH2-3,1.21,46.62,0,0,38.35,13.83,0
ASH008,0.18,42.51,0,1.54,51.21,3.78,0.78
ASH029,0.15,33.22,0,1.32,50.32,14.98,0
ASH033,0.16,40.98,0,0.48,48.03,10.35,0
ASH034,0.44,40.99,0,1.22,49.91,7.05,0.39
ASH066,5.15,33.5,0.99,2.59,47.65,10.12,0
ASH067,0,33.93,0,0.79,44.03,21.25,0
ASH068_Philistine,0,16.83,0,1.14,41.71,39.5,0.82
ASH087,1.41,36.28,2.08,1.7,57.25,1.28,0
ASH135,0,30.62,0,5.42,50.08,13.2,0.69

 

[kingdavid]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]adam[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0004, align: right"]15.12701557[/TD]
[TD]ASH068_Philistine[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001A, align: right"]15.76275357[/TD]
[TD]ASH067[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C700FF, align: right"]24.16135551[/TD]
[TD]ASH029[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9700FF, align: right"]25.56163336[/TD]
[TD]ASH135[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7600FF, align: right"]26.52904258[/TD]
[TD]ASH2-3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5C00FF, align: right"]27.28814395[/TD]
[TD]ASH066[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2400FF, align: right"]28.93002592[/TD]
[TD]ASH033[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.44074598[/TD]
[TD]ASH034[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.25941809[/TD]
[TD]ASH008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]39.64634662[/TD]
[TD]ASH087[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Jovialis: Great work. Do Feldman et al 2019 provide any discussion as to why ASH068 being closer distance wise to you and a little more so to me then big break till ASH067, 19.97 for me and 23.33 for you. Seems like the 10 samples follow a similar distribution pattern for you and me. Pattern looks similar for KingJohn as well.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBC00, align: right"]9.47272400[/TD]
[TD]ASH068_Philistine[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A9, align: right"]19.97005508[/TD]
[TD]ASH067[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5400FF, align: right"]27.53786847[/TD]
[TD]ASH029[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3000FF, align: right"]28.59305160[/TD]
[TD]ASH135[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.13877807[/TD]
[TD]ASH066[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.28633457[/TD]
[TD]ASH2-3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.52379603[/TD]
[TD]ASH033[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.86681299[/TD]
[TD]ASH034[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]40.69748518[/TD]
[TD]ASH008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]43.16942089[/TD]
[TD]ASH087[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Jovialis]

Jovialis: Great work. Do Feldman et al 2019 provide any discussion as to why ASH068 being closer distance wise to you and a little more so to me then big break till ASH067, 19.97 for me and 23.33 for you. Seems like the 10 samples follow a similar distribution pattern for you and me. Pattern looks similar for KingJohn as well.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBC00, align: right"]9.47272400[/TD]
[TD]ASH068_Philistine[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A9, align: right"]19.97005508[/TD]
[TD]ASH067[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5400FF, align: right"]27.53786847[/TD]
[TD]ASH029[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3000FF, align: right"]28.59305160[/TD]
[TD]ASH135[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.13877807[/TD]
[TD]ASH066[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.28633457[/TD]
[TD]ASH2-3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.52379603[/TD]
[TD]ASH033[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.86681299[/TD]
[TD]ASH034[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]40.69748518[/TD]
[TD]ASH008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]43.16942089[/TD]
[TD]ASH087[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.

 

[Jovialis]

The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.

Here the PCA illustrates this:

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[Palermo Trapani]

The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.

Ok, well done. So ASH068 is more Mycenaean like which explains the closer distance to both of us. Makes sense given the results from the Lazaridis et al 2017 samples and K7 distances.

Thanks again with the explanation.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Jovialis: Your explanation in post #5 was spot on. I just took the Dodecad 7B coordinates for the Antonio et al 2019 Roman samples, the Lazararidis et al 2017 Ancient Greek samples and the Feldman et al 2019 ancient Philistine samples. I pust ASH068 as the target and BINGO, very close to the Mycenaeans and even closer to ancient Romans. ASH067 distance doesn't show up till 25.13

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]ASH068_Philistine[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B4FF00, align: right"]5.29715018[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BDFF00, align: right"]5.55584377[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C5FF00, align: right"]5.80381771[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFC00, align: right"]7.58544659[/TD]
[TD]R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD200, align: right"]8.82954132[/TD]
[TD]R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCF00, align: right"]8.90178072[/TD]
[TD]R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBE00, align: right"]9.40553029[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB900, align: right"]9.54626105[/TD]
[TD]R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB800, align: right"]9.59756740[/TD]
[TD]R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB300, align: right"]9.73458782[/TD]
[TD]R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAE00, align: right"]9.87794513[/TD]
[TD]R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAA00, align: right"]10.00432906[/TD]
[TD]R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA700, align: right"]10.07782715[/TD]
[TD]R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA700, align: right"]10.10197505[/TD]
[TD]R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA300, align: right"]10.19823514[/TD]
[TD]R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9D00, align: right"]10.39451779[/TD]
[TD]R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]10.60361731[/TD]
[TD]R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]10.65546808[/TD]
[TD]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]10.68852188[/TD]
[TD]R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8F00, align: right"]10.80169431[/TD]
[TD]R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]10.80923679[/TD]
[TD]R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]10.82677237[/TD]
[TD]R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]10.82863796[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8800, align: right"]11.00978656[/TD]
[TD]R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8700, align: right"]11.03971920[/TD]
[TD]R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: ASH068_Philistine
Distance: 0.7413% / 0.74126690 | ADC: 0.25x

[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]53.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]23.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]15.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]TIT015[/TD]

 

[Salento]

There ought to be more Sea People than just the Cretans.

if the Sea People were Cretans,
ASH068 is closer to the Mycenaeans,
but the Ancient Cretans were genetically Minoans, I think ...

... unless the Mycenaeans were already in Crete by that time, ...

 

[bigsnake49]

The Minoan civilization was over by the the time of the Sea People, so was the Mycenean civilization. The sea people are blamed for the downfall of that civilization. Could the Greek tribes coming down from somewhere in the Balkans be the Sea Peoples? Not a disproven theory yet.