acoban07
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Hi everyone!
Me and a male relative from the same village tested our DNA. On autosomal level our DNA was like the rest of the people from our region.
But the Y-DNA was everything else than Turkish. We both share the Haplogroup I1 which is dominant in Northern Europe. I share the Subclade I1-L22>Z74>CTS2208>FGC12562>BY47171.
My relative shares another subclade. I1-Z58> Z59>Z60>Z141>F2642.
I also made the Big-Y test from FTDNA.
The person who shares the same final subclade with me is a men from France with surname Loiseau.
These results are very uncommon among Turks.
I've done some research that could eventually relate to it.
Odo of Deuil (a French historian and participant of the Second Crusade 1147?1149) wrote in his book ("De profectione Ludovici VII in Orientem") about 3000 Frankish soldiers who converted to Islam.
The location of this event is near our town so I suspect that these soldiers eventually founded our Village. There is also a medieval site in our village which locals describe as "Lords graveyard" but nobody really knows the history behind.
"Chronicle of the Odo of Deuil"-Odo from Deuil
De Profectione Ludovici VII. In Orientem
The Journey of Louis VII to the East edited with an English translation
Virginia GingerickBerry
Pp. 141 and 143
about 1147 in Addalia (now Antalya):
"Then, taking their bows in the hand, the seasoned youths began to leap down from the wall, so that they might either protect their own lives or those of their comrades or sell their lives dearly; and by seeking peace thus forcibly they compelled the enemy to withdraw farther. They would have had peace; but the Greeks, by confining well and ailing people in the narrow and unclean place, killed them without inflicting a single wound. And while some starved because they had no money and desease waisted others, many died from the effect of the corpses left near at hand, with the Greeks not inflicting death but awaiting it for the Franks. For this reason two troops of three or four thousand strong men died in order to avoid dying, judging that living within the city was tantamount to dying without. After taking up their arms they went forth with the intention of crossing the two rivers, which were similarly situated, but unlike in size. The first they crossed easily, but at the second they halted before a double obstacle. For they could cross the stream only if they swam across, and they could penetrate the enmy drawn up there only if they fought through, but both they could not accomplish at the same time; and, turning back for this reason, they were routed and either captured or killed. By the blood of these soldiers, the Turk's thirst was quenched and the Greek's treachery was transformed into violence; for the Turks returned to see the survivors and then gave generous alms to the sick and the poor, but the Greeks forced the stronger Franks into their service and beat them by way of payment. Some Turks bought our coins from their allies and distributed them among the poor with a liberal hand; but the Greeks robbed those who had anything left. Therefore, avoiding the fellow-believers who were so cruel to them, the Franks went safely among the unbelievers, who had compassion on them; AND, WE HAVE HEARD, MORE THAN THREE THOUSAND YOUNG MEN WENT WITH THE TURKS WHEN THEY DEPARTED.
O pity more cruel than any betrayal, since in giving bread they took away faith (although it is certain that the Turks, content with the service they gained, did not force anyone to deny his faith)! Now God, cursing the town of Adalia, smote its people so severely with sudden death that many houses were remained empty, and the living, stunned and fearful, planned to leave it altogether. The emperor, although opposed to God in judgment, also completely despoiled the city of silver and gold, because it had prepared a fleet and a market for the king. Thus, God and the held opposite opinions, but both punished the city.
Now after the king had spent five weeks in this city he spent three more weeks suffering shipwreck on the way to Antioch, for some of his vessels were battered and damaged, but yet, by the will of God, not sunk. Serious were the losses and hazards which he endured, Father Sugar, but you ought to be comforted by the fact that he is safe. "
I would like to know your thoughts about this topic.
Me and a male relative from the same village tested our DNA. On autosomal level our DNA was like the rest of the people from our region.
But the Y-DNA was everything else than Turkish. We both share the Haplogroup I1 which is dominant in Northern Europe. I share the Subclade I1-L22>Z74>CTS2208>FGC12562>BY47171.
My relative shares another subclade. I1-Z58> Z59>Z60>Z141>F2642.
I also made the Big-Y test from FTDNA.
The person who shares the same final subclade with me is a men from France with surname Loiseau.
These results are very uncommon among Turks.
I've done some research that could eventually relate to it.
Odo of Deuil (a French historian and participant of the Second Crusade 1147?1149) wrote in his book ("De profectione Ludovici VII in Orientem") about 3000 Frankish soldiers who converted to Islam.
The location of this event is near our town so I suspect that these soldiers eventually founded our Village. There is also a medieval site in our village which locals describe as "Lords graveyard" but nobody really knows the history behind.
"Chronicle of the Odo of Deuil"-Odo from Deuil
De Profectione Ludovici VII. In Orientem
The Journey of Louis VII to the East edited with an English translation
Virginia GingerickBerry
Pp. 141 and 143
about 1147 in Addalia (now Antalya):
"Then, taking their bows in the hand, the seasoned youths began to leap down from the wall, so that they might either protect their own lives or those of their comrades or sell their lives dearly; and by seeking peace thus forcibly they compelled the enemy to withdraw farther. They would have had peace; but the Greeks, by confining well and ailing people in the narrow and unclean place, killed them without inflicting a single wound. And while some starved because they had no money and desease waisted others, many died from the effect of the corpses left near at hand, with the Greeks not inflicting death but awaiting it for the Franks. For this reason two troops of three or four thousand strong men died in order to avoid dying, judging that living within the city was tantamount to dying without. After taking up their arms they went forth with the intention of crossing the two rivers, which were similarly situated, but unlike in size. The first they crossed easily, but at the second they halted before a double obstacle. For they could cross the stream only if they swam across, and they could penetrate the enmy drawn up there only if they fought through, but both they could not accomplish at the same time; and, turning back for this reason, they were routed and either captured or killed. By the blood of these soldiers, the Turk's thirst was quenched and the Greek's treachery was transformed into violence; for the Turks returned to see the survivors and then gave generous alms to the sick and the poor, but the Greeks forced the stronger Franks into their service and beat them by way of payment. Some Turks bought our coins from their allies and distributed them among the poor with a liberal hand; but the Greeks robbed those who had anything left. Therefore, avoiding the fellow-believers who were so cruel to them, the Franks went safely among the unbelievers, who had compassion on them; AND, WE HAVE HEARD, MORE THAN THREE THOUSAND YOUNG MEN WENT WITH THE TURKS WHEN THEY DEPARTED.
O pity more cruel than any betrayal, since in giving bread they took away faith (although it is certain that the Turks, content with the service they gained, did not force anyone to deny his faith)! Now God, cursing the town of Adalia, smote its people so severely with sudden death that many houses were remained empty, and the living, stunned and fearful, planned to leave it altogether. The emperor, although opposed to God in judgment, also completely despoiled the city of silver and gold, because it had prepared a fleet and a market for the king. Thus, God and the held opposite opinions, but both punished the city.
Now after the king had spent five weeks in this city he spent three more weeks suffering shipwreck on the way to Antioch, for some of his vessels were battered and damaged, but yet, by the will of God, not sunk. Serious were the losses and hazards which he endured, Father Sugar, but you ought to be comforted by the fact that he is safe. "
I would like to know your thoughts about this topic.
