Why no one here is not speaking about the topic ?!
I translated a part of something which I do not know what it was.
So, you say, Albanians are molossians, who are an epirote tribe, who where Phygians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Epirus_%26_modern_borders.jpg
makes sense, New epirus which is modern Albania. Better than the barbarian illyrians which are north of you
So, epidamnus bacame Durres?
Ncncnc... why you don't teach the basic history about this region, than to ask me these kind of questions, and preferably not in this topic, what is for people who dont have complexes from the undisputed autochthony of the Albanians.
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If there is a truly autochthonous race in the world it is certainly the Albanian race, as it is formed of the descendants of the Pelasgians and has kept for centuries the unique qualities of energy and intelligence which characterized its ancestors.
http://books.google.com/books?id=tPE...ed=0CCsQ6AEwAA
+ Alber Pike, and others:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?25617-Fustanella/page6
First lesson is to understand the difference of the Colonizers from Indigenous (native, autochthon people).
You make the same mistake whith the maps what you've posted here.
"Epidamnos was noted for being a politically advanced society, prompting Aristotle[7] to praise its political system in controlling trade between the Greek COLONISTS and the LOCAL "barbarians"... After the Illyrian Wars with the Roman Republic in 229 BC ended in a decisive defeat for the Illyrians, the city passed to Roman rule, under which it was developed as a major military and naval base. The Romans renamed it Dyrrachium"
Ancient writers tell us that Epirus was inhabitet by barbarians
http://www.google.com/#q=epirus+bar....,cf.osb&fp=a89586d2bb444145&biw=1024&bih=602
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-....,cf.osb&fp=a89586d2bb444145&biw=1024&bih=602
Also, Herodotus, speaking of some settlements held to be Pelaigic, and existing in his time, terms their language 'barbarous' (non-greek).
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Herodotos, Volume 1
By Herodotus, Heinrich Stein
Page 182
History - 1880
The Pelasgians were a different nation from the Hellenes : their language was peculiar, and not Greek:
...this were really so, and the entire Pelasgic race spoke the same tongue, the Athenians, who were certainly Pelasgi, must have changed their language at the same time that they passed into the Hellenic body;
...for it is a certain fact that the people of Creston speak a language unlike any of their neighbours, and the same is true of the Placianians, while the language spoken by these two people is the same;
...which shows that they both retain the idiom which they brought with them into the countries where they are now settled.
...It was a branch of the Pelasgic, which separated from the main body, and at first was scanty in numbers and of little power;
...but it gradually spread and increased to a multitude of nations, chiefly by the voluntary entrance into its ranks of numerous tribes of barbarians.
...The Pelasgi, on the other hand, were, as I think, a barbarian race which never greatly multiplied.
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By the way, ancient greek writers tell us that: ...the whole Greece was inhabited by "barbarians".
Hecatæus of Miletus says of the Peloponnesus, that, before the time of the Greeks, it was inhabited by barbarians. Perhaps even the whole of Greece was, anciently, a settlement of barbarians, if we judge from former accounts.
http://perseus.uchicago.edu/perseus-cgi/citequery3.pl?dbname=GreekTexts&getid=1&query=Str. 7.7.2
Strabo (7.7.1) and Pausanias (1.41.8) both offer the opinion that Hellas was once entirely or almost entirely inhabited by barbarians
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/burckhardt-greeks.html
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The region of epirus by most of the facts that ancient historians have given to us seems to be a non greek region:
1)"Thucydides" In his book (Peloponessian War) He describes the Barbarian Allies of the Peloponessians.
"From the Hellenes there were the Ambraciots, Leucadians and 1000 Peloponessian hoplites."
"From the Barbarians there were: 1000 Chaones wich have no King but 2 Prostates for 1 year Fotis and Nikanores. The Chaones are joint by Thesprotes wich they to have no King. In the head of the Mollosians and the Atintanians was Sabylinthius wich was the tutor of King Tharypa (yet still a child). There were also the Parauey with their King Oroides and 1000 Orestes."
In Greek From Ancient Text..
Ο στρατός του περιελάμβανεν
Έλληνας μεν Αμπρακιώτας και Λευκαδίους, και Ανακτόρους και τους χιλίους Πελοποννησίους, επι κεφαλής των οποίων είχεν έλθει ο ίδιος,
βαρβάρους δε χιλίους Χάονας, οι οποίοι, αβασίλευτοι όντες, είχαν αρχηγούς τον Φώτυον και τον Νικάνορα, οι οποίοι κατήγοντο από το αρχοντικόν γένος που ήσκει ενιαυσίως την αρχήν. Μαζί με τους Χάονας εξεστράτευσαν και οι θεσπρωτοί, οι οποίοι ήσαν επίσης αβασίλευτοι. Δύναμις Μολοσσών και Ατιντάνων, εξ άλλου, ήτο υπό την αρχηγίαν του Σαβυλίνθου, επιτρόπου του βασιλέως Θαρύπου, ο οποίος ήτο ακόμη ανήλικος, και δύναμις Παραυαίων υπό την αρχηγίαν του βασιλέως Οροίδου. Μαζί με τους Παραυαίους εξεστράτευσαν και χίλιοι Ορέσται, των οποίων βασιλεύς ήτο ο Αντίοχος, ο οποίος είχεν εμπιστευθή την αρχηγίαν των εις τον Όροιδον
http://www.mikrosapoplous.gr/thucy/v...frame_main.htm
2)"Skylax" He writes around (370-360 b.c) A Geographic book.
He describes the People that lives in Adriatic and Ionian region.
"In The North Adriatic lives the tribe of the Liburnians,
"The middle and the South Adriatic sea Is Populated By Illyrians"
"The Ionian sea is devided Between Chaons and Thesprots.Between them The Mollosians have opened an exit to the sea wich is (40 stadia=8Km)."
"After Mollosia it comes Ambracia an Hellenic Polis,which is (80 stadia) away from the sea"
"From there and down is Hellas no end"
IN GREEK:
ΑΜΒΡΑΚΙΑ. Μετά την Μολοττία,η Αμβρακία, ελληνική πόλη.Απέχει από την θάλασσα ογδόντα στάδια.Υπάρχει οχύρωμα και κλειστό λιμάνι.Από εδώ αρχίζει η Ελλάδα που φτάνει έως τον ποταμό Πηνειό και το Ομόλιο, πόλη των Μαγνήτων,που βρίσκεται στον ποταμό αυτό.Η ακτή της Αμβρακίας,εκατόν είκοσι στάδια.
http://svorak.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/%CE%A3%CE%BA%CF%8D%CE
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3)Strabo book VII
Hecataeus of Miletus says of the Peloponnesus that before the time of the Greeks it was inhabited by barbarians. Yet one might say that in the ancient times the whole of Greece was a settlement of barbarians,.... whereas the Dryopes, the Caucones, the Pelasgi, the Leleges, and other such peoples, apportioned among themselves the parts that are inside the isthmus--and also the parts outside, for Attica was once held by the Thracians who came with Eumolpus, {398} Daulis in Phocis by Tereus, {399} Cadmeia {400} by the Phoenicians who came with Cadmus, and Boeotia itself by the Aones and Temmices and Hyantes. Moreover, the barbarian origin of some is indicated by their names--Cecrops, Godrus, Aïclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus. And even to the present day the Thracians, Illyrians, and Epeirotes live on the flanks of the Greeks (though this was still more the case formerly than now); indeed most of the country that at the present time is indisputably Greece is held by the barbarians--Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the thracians,and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei,the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the Athamanes--Epeirotic tribes.
4)Plutarch-----------(Pyrrhus)------------
In his Book it is said:
"From him Achilles came to have divine honors in Epirus, under the name of Aspetus, in the language of the country"
Aspetus=Speito in Albanian and Fast in English.
Pyrrhus was brought at the home of the Illyrian King Glaucias:
"Thus being safe, and out of the reach of pursuit, they addressed themselves to Glaucias, then King of the Illyrians,and finding him sitting at home with his wife, they laid down the child before them."
He was rised as an Illyrian Prince:
"At present, therefore, he gave Pyrrhus into the charge of his wife, commanding he should be brought up with his own children; and a little later, the enemies sending to demand him, and Cassander himself offering two hundred talents, he would not deliver him up; but when he was twelve years old, bringing him with an army into Epirus, made him king."
The Brotherhood between him and Glaucias sons:
"He took a journey out of the kingdom to attend the marriage of one of Glaucias's sons, with whom he was brought up;"
5)Strabo:
He has writen about the passengers which passes the Egnatia road:
"Starting from Epidamnus (Durres,Dyrrahio) and down to Apollonia, in the Right they have the tribes of Epirus....., in the Left they have the mountains of Illyria.....Then Sailing from Ambracian Golf and on, the places which is in the East and across Peloponnesous are Hellenic.
Also he writes:
"After the Epirotes and Illyrians, from the Hellenes are Akarnanes,Etoles,Lokries and Ezoles
6)Appianus:---------(Historia Romana)-----------
In his book "Historia Romana" it is an article about the Illyrians:
" The Greeks call those people Illyrians who occupy the region beyond Macedonia and Thrace from Chaonia and Thesprotia to the river Danube. This is the length of the country. Its breadth is from Macedonia and the mountains of Thrace to Pannonia and the Adriatic and the foothills of the Alps. Its breadth is five days' journey and its length thirty - so the Greek writers say. The Romans measured the country and found its length to be upward of 1,000 kilometers and its width about 220."
http://www.livius.org/ap-ark/appian/...an_1.html#%A71
7)Ephores:
He writes that: "the Head(start) of Hellas, is Akarnania from the West,because it is the first that contacts with the Epirots tribes"
8)Malte Brun (Geographer from Danmark)
Analised the Geography of Strabon, and came to concluson that
Etolia and Akarnania, where considered by Ancient Greeks as Semi-Barbarians
9)Strabo and Plutarchus
They write that "Epirots speak a different language from the Greek,
it resembles very much to Macedonian"
10)Puqueville:
When he speaks about Etolia and Akarnania, he sais that:
these places are called Shqiperia, and the inhabitants where called Shqiptar
11)Ch.Brouchneri (Geographer of the king of England)
Albania(Shqiperia) is a province of European Turkey,
In north it borders with Bosnia and Dalmatia,
In south with Livadhia,in East with Thessalia and Macedonia
12)Teodor Momsen (Historian)
In his Book: (History of Ancient Rome).
he calls the Epirotians, Albanians(Shqiptars) of antiquety.
13)Laibnic (the so called Aristotles of modern times)
In his letter sent in 24 January 1705, he writes that
"The Language of Ancient Epirots might exist somewhere in Epirus"
the same believes and
14)J.E.Tunman:
In Epirus lived only non-greeks populations, they spoke Macedonian which is the same with illyrian.the same believes and F.Bop,
J.R.F.Ksilander, J.G.F.Han, J.F.Falmerajer , T.Mommsen
15)P.Krecmer
He writes that:
All the group of North Tribes, from the borders of Epirus, at least from the times of Herodotus, had been called Illyrians, or Hyllirians which is more ancient.
16)Edison L.Clark
He writes:
Albanians, Arnauts as the turks calls them, or Shqiptars,
live in the territory of ancient Epirus and in the territory of illyrians in East Macedonia.
From Montenegro(North) till the Ambracian Golf (South).
He continues :
Ancient Epirots are different from Ancient Greeks, like Albanians from todays Greeks.Epirots and Illyrians where neighbour tribes , but of the same blood, which spoke different dialects of the same language.
17)Marinus Barletius:
In His Book About the Life(biography) of the national hero of Albania , George Kastrioti - Scanderbeg:
The title of his Book is"
«HISTORIA DE VITA ET GESTIS SCANDERBEGI EPIROTARUM PRINCIPIS»
18)Scanderbeg
A letter that send to Prince of Tarranto , Giovani Antonio , Wrote:
"My Forefathers were Epirotes , from which Pyrrhus rose who won the Romans"
Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. My elders were from Epirus, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro (Pyrrhus the Great), who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies.
I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?
18) Martin P. N. Nilson,â€Studien z.Geschichte d’alten Epirosâ€, Lun, 1909
Epirus in every Aspect is non Greek
19) Leon the Clever ( X century a.d)
The inhabitants of Epirus are Albanians
20)Mihal Ducasnantari (Byzantine Cronist of XIV century)
"The ruler of Janina Thomas Preliubovic , the so called "ALBANOKTONOS" (albanians killer) ,
was Clearing Janina from Albanians , in a way that , he was sending Gjin Bua shpata Baskets with Albanian Eyes...
21) Lord Byron (Childe Harold's)
XLII
Morn dawns; and with it stern Albania's hills,
Dark Suli's rocks, and Pindus' inland peak,
http://www.photoaspects.com/chesil/byron/childe1.html
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Tambourgi! Tambourgi! thy 'larum afar
Gives hope to the valiant, and promise of war;
All the sons of the mountains arise at the note,
Chimariot, Illyrian, and dark Suliote!
In a Letter "31.10.1809" sending a letter he writes (Yannina - Albania)
I first landed in Albania the ancient Epirus where we as far as Mount Tomarit
excellently by the chief AH Pacha and after journeying through Illyria Chaonia ... crossed the Gulf Actium with a guard of fifty Albanians and passed the Achelous in our route through Acarnania...............
http://books.google.com/books?id=jdo...ancient+Epirus
Albania comprises part of Macedonia lllyria Chaonia and Epirus Iskander is the Turkish word for Alexander and the celebrated Scanderbeg Lord Alexander is alluded to in the third and fourth lines of the thirty eighth stanza I do not know whether I am correct in making Scandcrbeg the countryman of Alexander who was horn at Pella in Macedón but Mr Gibbon terms him so and adds Pyrrhus to the list in speaking of his exploits Of Albania
http://books.google.com/books?id=jxc...#PRA1-PA703,M1
22)Dr. Holland says when landing in Epirus
The Albanian peasant or soldier words which in this country seem to be almost
synonymous is here seen in the completeness of his national character and costume masculine in his features which slio
http://books.google.com/books?id=muA...9q4Kto8vK9Yo-I
23) Karl Marx (The Eastern Question , p.18)
With Constantinople, she stands on the threshold of the Mediterranean; with
Durazzo and the Albanian coast from Antivari to Arta, she is in the very center ....
http://books.google.com/books?id=SZX...8sQO4#PPA18,M1
24) Henry Holland
I shall mention a few particulars as the gulf of Arta may be considered the outlet for the southern of Albania
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ul0...+Arta#PPA84,M1
25) The pro-Greek historian Spiro Muselimi,
in his book "Historical Sight Through Thesprotia", edited in Joannina on 1974,
"The bishop of Thesprotia in the year 1870 translated some parts of Bible into Albanian, as the people of orthodox faith of the region did not understand any word in Greek".
26 The census held by the Turkish Administration in 1910 established that there were 83.000 orthodox and muslim Albanians in the region.
27) The demographic map of the British military mission sent to the British government
in London indicates that on the eve of the second World War, %75 of Chameria's population was Albanian.
28) Catholic Encyclopedia of 1900
Albania
The ancient Epirus and Illyria, is the most western land occupied by the Turks in Europe.
Its extreme length is about 290 miles, and its breadth from forty to ninety miles.
On the west and southwest it is bounded by the Adriatic and the Ionian seas.
It is generally divided into three regions: Upper Albania, from the Montenegrin
frontier to the river Shkumbi; Lower Albania, or Epirus, from the Shkumbi to the Gulf of Arta;
and Eastern Albania, to the east of the Schar-Dagh chain....
After Scutari, Yanina is the largest and most interesting town of modern Albania.
Near it are the ruins of the temple of Dodona,
the cradle of pagan civilization in Greece.........
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01253b.htm
29) Sathos (Greek Historian)
"In Middle ages Thesprotia is referred as being inhabited by Albanian population"
30) Golubinski
The most famous and most learned champion of these reforms was
Maximus the Greek, born at Arta, in Albania, and educated in Italy. He entered
monastic life on Mount Athos, and in 1518 repaired to Russia.........
http://www.literatures.info/russian_literature.htm
31) Stefanos Skyloudis (letter to Greek foreign minister in 18/02/1877)
" .....Albanians without a writing language ,undeveloped education , without a definite religion ,
will not preserve for to long time their nationality , they will gradually assimilated from the Greeks of Epirus"
READ THIS BOOK VERY USEFUL (ALI PASHA BIOGRAPHY) from 1823
http://books.google.com/books?id=gsk...banian#PPP1,M2
+ The American review of reviews, Volume 47, Albert Shaw - Review of Reviews, 1913
"These people are generally and in all probability accurately identified as the result of the combination of the ancient Illyrians, Macedonians, and Epirotes, who were all the descendants of the more ancient Pelasgians."
... and hundreds of thousands of other books, that describes Epirotes as Illyrian. Thracian and Illyrian (who formed the Macedonians), are represented today by the Albanians. Attention, all these aforementioned native cultures (known by one name as Pelasgian), for Greeks were barbaric, or, different from them.
http://www.arberiaonline.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=172
Also, in this document below, under the permission of the Greek Parliament, in 1867, is accepted that albanians are descent of Epirotes and Macedonians too.
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Other books:
BBC -reference-encyclopedia britannica
Pyrrhus the Eagle, King of Epirus: 319 - 272 BC
This is the story of Pyrrhus of Epirus - the fool of hope.
His Origins
Epirus
The territory of Epirus was the mountainous coastal region of modern north-western Greece and southern Albania. To the north was Illyria and to the east Macedonia. To the Greeks the Epirotes were barbarians, although their ancestry was Dorian. Epirus was a poor land, rich only in warriors. The dominant tribe of Epirus were the Molossians.
His Family
The only Epirotes whom the Greeks regarded as Greek were the Aeacidae, royal house of the Molossians. Pyrrhus was a member of this family. The Aeacidae claimed descent from Achilles. Olympias, wife of Philip II of Macedon and mother of Alexander the Great, was an Aeacidae princess; making Pyrrhus a cousin of Alexander. In 334BC, when Alexander the Great began his conquest of the Persian Empire, the King of Epirus, Alexander the Molossian (uncle of Pyrrhus), attempted to conquer southern Italy. In 331BC he died in battle against the Romans. He was succeeded by Aeacides, father of Pyrrhus, but in 317BC Aeacides was driven from Epirus by a rebellion2. After this Epirus became a tribal federation instead of a kingdom.
His Early Career
His Path to a Throne
Glaucias, King of Illyria, gave sanctuary to Pyrrhus as a child, and placed him on the throne of Epirus when he was twelve. He allied himself with Demetrius, son of Antigonus I3 of Macedon. In 302BC, whilst absent from his kingdom, he was dethroned by a palace coup and replaced by a kinsman Neoptolemus4. Lacking a kingdom, he fought for Demetrius in Syria, earning himself a reputation as a brave and talented warrior. Sent to Alexandria as a hostage under the terms of the peace treaty between Demetrius and Ptolemy I Soter5, he was befriended by Ptolemy, who restored him to the throne of Epirus in 297BC. Initially Pyrrhus shared his throne with Neoptolemus but soon had him assassinated. His rule in Epirus was absolute from now on.
Plutarch, The Parallel Lives
p347 The Life of Pyrrhus
1 Historians tell us that the first king of the Thesprotians and Molossians after the flood was Phaethon, one of those who came into Epeirus with Pelasgus; but some say that Deucalion and Pyrrha established the sanctuary at Dodona and dwelt there among the Molossians. 2 In after time, however, Neoptolemus the son of Achilles, bringing a people with him, got possession of the country for himself, and left a line of kings descending from him. These were called after him Pyrrhidae; for he had the surname of Pyrrhus in his boyhood, and of his legitimate children by Lanassa, the daughter of Cleodaeus the son of Hyllus, one was named by him Pyrrhus. Consequently Achilles also obtained divine honours in Epeirus, under the native name of Aspetus. (spet=shpejt)
Plutarch, The Parallel Lives
p348 The Life of Pyrrhus
...Having thus outstripped their pursuers and reached a place of safety, the fugitives betook themselves to Glaucias the king of the Illyrians; and finding him sitting at home with his wife, they put the little child down on the floor before them. Then the king began to reflect. He was in fear of Cassander, who was an enemy of Aeacides, and held his peace a long time as he took counsel with himself. 2 Meanwhile Pyrrhus, of his own accord, crept across the floor, clutched the king's robe, and pulled himself on to his feet at the knees of Glaucias, who was moved at first to laughter, then to pity, as he saw the child clinging to his knees and weeping like a formal p353suppliant. Some say, however, that the child did not supplicate Glaucias, but caught hold of an altar of the gods and stood there with his arms thrown round it, and that Glaucias thought this a sign from Heaven. 3 Therefore he at once put Pyrrhus in the arms of his wife, bidding her rear him along with their children; and a little while after, when the child's enemies demanded his surrender, and Cassander offered two hundred talents for him, Glaucias would not give him up, but after he had reached the age of twelve years, actually conducted him back into Epeirus with an armed force and set him upon the throne there.
That means that the king of Illyria has the authority to appoint the king of Epirus. Since we dont know any source showing us any war betwen Illyrians and Epiriots, or any invasion to each -other, the conclusion is: Illyria and Epirus were inhabitated from the same people.
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Pyrrhys the King of the Epirotes [or the Albanians]
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Pirro the king of the Epirotes or the Albanian
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Struggle between Pyrrhus and Rome
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Ivan Gavrilovich, Golovin - Published 1854 Adamant Media Corporation
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The Balkans-A history od Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, Turkey...
The Epirotes are population of Albanian race and they stil speak an albanian dialect in their homes...
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Prevesa, a town on the coast of Albania
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The Encyclopædia britannica- a dictionary of arts, sciences ... Volume 1 Pg. 483
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Pott deem it clear that the Albanian language is the true representative of the ancient Illyrian. The Epirots and Illyrians were neighbor and kindred tribes, speaking different dialects of the same language.
p.169
The races of European Turkey
Edson Lyman Clark
Dodd, Mead & co., 1878
Three shkypetar states Illyria, Epirus and Macedonia
Wadham Peacock - Albania, the foundling state of Europe
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The Home and foreign review, Volume 4
Williams and Norgate, 1864
Pelasgian and Illyrian race. Are they different races? We think not.
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+ Universal geography: Tosk and Geg, no doubt originating from the Pelasgians, the social situation of which three thousand years of unchanged
+ Europe, Stanford's compendium of geogr. and travel
Frederick William Rudler, George Goudie Chisholm
Andrew Crombie Ramsay (sir)
London, Edward Standford, 55, Charing Cross, S.W, 1885
Thracian, Illyrians, Moedians, Macedonians, Epirots, - in a word, all the old inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula... are now represented by the Albanians alone... Albanian language it seems to stand somewhat in the same relation to Greek that Etruscan does to Latin. Analogies have even been pointed out between Albanian and Etruscan...
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+ about etruscans:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?25617-Fustanella/page7
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=168234583224319&l=0deac217ab
Dorians came from north Illyria, today geg albanains are the north-west illyrians, and today tosk albanians are the south-east illyrians, or pelasgians. That's why ancient greek language, is more closest whith geg albanian (dorians, who fight whith tosk albanians or the civil wars between illyrian or pelasgian tribes. Troyan war was one of them), than whith tosk albanian language.
+ Elgin Marble Argument in a New Light, by MICHAEL KIMMELMAN - Published: June 23, 2009
“We used to speak Albanian and call ourselves Romans, but then Winckelmann, Goethe, Victor Hugo, Delacroix, they all told us, ‘No, you are Hellenes, direct descendants of Plato and Socrates,’ and that did it. If a small, poor nation has such a burden put on its shoulders, it will never recover.”
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+ The races of European Turkey
Edson Lyman Clark
Dodd, Mead & co., 1878
"Pott deem it clear that the Albanian language is the true representative of the ancient Illyrian. The Epirots and Illyrians were neighbor and kindred tribes, speaking different dialects of the same language." p.169
Bulletin de l'Institut égyptien
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It will be easier to confirm our opinion on the origin of Albanian Pelasgian, since this language is kept constant in his greatest traits over the centuries until today, according to historical facts.
As already predicted the German scientist Muller, Albanian will give us the key to the solution of several problems related to linguistic and ethnographic literature Greco-Latin.
Appointed Pelaka Skype or by Albanians living in Epirus, Albania, Macedonia and Italy, Arber by Albanians in Greece, this dialect is formed from a few thousand words and monosyllables bisyllabic, roots dry and arid without prefixes or suffixes some exceptions.
Excluding neopelasgian words, Latin or Greek, Turkish, Slavic or other, the skeleton appears in its nakedness idiom hard, almost eolodorien or wind, approaching all-in-fact of dialects in the epigrams etched old, or sung by the rhapsodies and Aedes oldest Greek.
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Rhapsodies in Homer, despite all the corrections implied by the Athenians, we find many words in use among the Homeric Albanians, which argues for the antiquity of the Albanians.
Page 57
The Albanians finally mourn their dead in the Homeric way women (date, the Albanian-oAoXu xXatmoi;, oXoXi5Ço>), repeating the words izi, oïzi = black, unhappy.
Homer used this word once oizôc Curiously, the word zi, Zia returned to each moment in the archaic inscription found on Lemnos, cited by the Honourable Dr. Apostolides.
This word means in Albanian sepulchral still mourning and phrase na zia erd wind that we came into mourning.
What makes some scientists argue that the language of the inscription resembles Albanian, this relic of Pelasgian, especially as the island of Lemnos was home exclusively to the Pelasgians until the time of Miltiades, who occupied
Conclusion:
The inclusion of the island of Lemnos has been writen in language Pelasgian, the Pelasgians were not completely absorbed and they are back with their descendants, shqiptar or Albanians, as well as history and linguistic prove.
+ Catholic world, Volume 113
Paulist Fathers, Making of America Project
Paulist Fathers, 1921
The Pelasgians occupied the Balkan Peninsula, and were divided into several tribes. Those forming the Kingdom of Illyria gave much trouble to the Romans, but were finally subdued.
[…]
Until recently, it was thought that the Macedonians and Epirots were two tribes of Greek people, but now is the belief of scholars that neither of this was Greeks, but the forefathers of Albanians.
p.90
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+ Dodona-Illyrians
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+ Early Sparta (Edition reprint, illustrated), George Leonard Huxley - Irish University Press, 1970
"Pelasgian Zeus of Dodona was also called Pelastian, ie Philistine (vl ad Iliad 16.233). The Pelasgian wall at Athens (Hekataios FGrHist 1 F 127) was also named Pelastikon (Hesych. sv IleXcumKov). These are variant forms of the Illyrian place name Palaiste, a possible starting-point of the Philistine migration."
On the equation of Pelasgian and Philistine: J. Berard, Studies Presented to David Moore Robinson I (St Louis 1951) 148
+ Ridpath's history of the world (1897)
Ridpath, John Clark, 1840-1900 Volume: 2
New York, Merrill & Baker
We are able to trace with tolerable certainty the long series of historical transformations by which the ancient Epirotes, Illyrians, and Macedonians, were reborn during the Middle Ages into the modern Albanian race.
[...]
Now it was, however, that the Illyrians and men of Epirus constituted a breakwater against the floods. For a long time they maintained a defensive attitude against the Teutonic and Slavonic races on the north and west. At length the Mohammedans came in from the East, and the people whom we may now call Albanians had to face about and defend themselves against Islam. The Turks made little headway against this resolute enemy. A popular leader appeared in the celebrated George Castriota, whom the Turks called Scanderbeg. Time and again Mohammed II, after his conquest of Constantinople, set his armies against the Albanians, only to suffer defeat at their hands.
[...]
This is to say that the modern Greeks and the Albanians are at the end of the twigs of the first branch of the Aryan tree which we have been considering.
[...]
Thus we have presented for our consideration the modern Greek and Albanian races as the repre sentatives of the first division of the old Aryan family of mankind.
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+ The genesis of the earth and of man, a critical examination of passages in ... By Edward William Lane, Reginald Stuart Poole
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+ Epir
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+ Epir:
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+ The Cradle of Pelasgian and Albanian people
http://www.albpelasgian.com/epir-the-cradle-of-pelasgian-and-albanian-people.html
+
http://www.zeriyt.com/epir-a�“-the-cradle-of-pelasgian-and-albanian-people-t62942.0.html
+
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/albania/THE72A15HDVTAOF0B/p10
+
http://www.thelosttruth.altervista.org/SitoEnglish/pelasgian_etruscan_english.html
+ Epirus, its Illyrian affiliation
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5884
+ Epirus Land of Illyrian tribes
http://www.albanian.com/v4/showthread.php?t=13199
+ Thracians and Macedonians
http://www.albanian.com/v4/showthread.php?t=15097&page=2
DNA:
"HLA Class I Polymorphism in the Albanian Population" Z. Grubi}1, V. Kerhin-Brklja~i}1, E. ^e~uk-Jeli~i}1, S. Kuci2 and A. Ka{telan1 1 National Referral Organ Transplantation and Tissue Typing Center, University Hospital Center Zagreb, Zagreb, Croatia 2 Faculty of Medicine Prishtina, Prishtina, Kosovo
Link:
http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache...n&ct=clnk&cd=1
Link:
http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/15462 ne file PDF
Link of the central portal of Croatian scientific journals:
http://hrcak.srce.hr/index.php?show=...ak_jezik=15462
2) Studim tjeter: "High-Resolution Phylogenetic Analysis of Southeastern Europe Traces Major Episodes of Paternal Gene Flow Among Slavic Populations"when:"Almost 93% of SEE E3b1 chromosomes are classified into ALPHA cluster. In Europe, the highest E3b1a variance is among Apulians, Greeks, and Macedonians, and the highest frequency of the cluster is among Albanians, Macedonians,and Greeks (table 1)." If you make a total % of albanians of albania and albanians of kosovo all Albanians have the max Erb1-a freq. After them are the aromenians (latinized balkan substract). And then after the greeks and apulians.
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/re...22/10/1964.pdf
Another study: Cruciani concluded that the distribution of the E3b1-alpha cluster in Europe indicates a Neolithic or post-Neolithic expansion out of the Balkans into Europe that spread as far west as the Iberian peninsula, and southeast to Turkey. STR diversity analysis gives an estimate of about 8 thousand years ago for that expansion
Another study: Semino: It's interesting to note that another recent study concluded that a J sub-group, J2e1 (J-M102), also expanded into Europe from the Balkans during the Neolithic period. Most likely due to genetic drift, Kosovar Albanians harbor a J2e frequency peak whereas variance maximum declines from the southeastern edge of the studied region
Here you have an explanation about E3b1a (from alfa claster):
Link:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....g/YCC_E3b.html
About J2e:
http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache...n&ct=clnk&cd=3
According to Semino: The footprint of J2e1 (M102) on the European map indicates some sort of connection between the southern Balkans and north-central Italy. One possible explanation is that J2e1 may have dispersed into Europe from the Balkans.Some of the highest frequencies that Semino et al saw for J2e1 were Albania (14.3% of total population), north-central Italy (9.6%), Greece (6.5%) Croatia etc Semino et al estimated the date of the M102 mutation at about 8000 years ago."
First of all Albanian and kosovars are the same peoples. The max frequencies of J2e are among Albanians, the some for E3b1. This 2 Haplogroupe are belived to exist there before the Roman arivals.(J2e% + E3b1a% = 16 + 45 = 61%) All this 2 haplogroup have max freq in albanians and this is a sign of distinction from slavs. In 2000 BC there have been different migration in to balkan no one can say there have ben only one haplogroup.
3) Another study: “Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania and the genetic structure of Indo-European populations”
Link:
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...f/5200443a.pdf
4) Another study from Cavalli-Sforza: The Albanians show considerable genetic distances with all the populations; however, 14 pair of comparisons between the Albanians and the European populations show a high level of identity. (This is for all Albanians not kosovars only) This is a Correlation function not the sum of the Haplogroupe. And by this function that we conclude that Albanians & Kosovars have one of the strongest Dna identity in Balkans. By a correlation of 14 values. It is not the some for greeks (Greeks have a SE identity but not a greek one)
5) Another study, called “Survey of anthropological features of the Illyrians": The purpose of this paper is to bring to evidence the physical traits of the ancient inhabitants of Albania, the Illyrians, through an anthropological study of 93 human skeletons of different periods. Based on the available typological data the author comes to the conclusion that the Illyrians of the Albanian territory constituted an Adriatic-Mediterranean population with Nordic and Alpine minorities. The results of this study throw light on certain historical phenomena, which are linked with the origin and formation of the Illyrians"
This survey have shown that Albanians of today are the direct descendents of Illirian-Thraco race!
Link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3...ubmed_RVDocSum
This study is in only 6 universities, where 2 of these universities are located in Germany:
1-Charite - Universitaetsmedizin Berlin, Medizinische Bibliothek, Germany
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects...de=tu&JrId=680
2-Universitaets- und Landesbibliothek Duesseldorf, Germany
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects...de=tu&JrId=680
3-Biblioteche Universitarie e dell' Area di Bologna , ITALI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects...de=tu&JrId=680
4-Harvard University Library ne SHBA
http://sfx.hul.harvard.edu/sfx_local..._char_set=utf8
5- University of Calgary Library, Canada
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects...de=tu&JrId=680
6- University of Vermont Dana Medical Library ne SHBA
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects...de=tu&JrId=680
6) Another study: “Haplogroup E3b1a2 as a Possible Indicator of Settlement in Roman Britain by Soldiers of Balkan Origin" Steven C. Bird .
Steve Bird for albanians:the genetic evidence would seem to support a much greater Thracian presence, in line with the rest of the Balkan peninsula, but at a higher percentage. In a spirit of compromise, they are sometimes also described as "Thraco-Illyrians," a blending of the two "barbarian" tribal groups north of the Greeks.
Link:
http://www.jogg.info/32/bird.pdf
7) Another study that have shown the ancient origin of the Albanians, called:
"Paleo-mtDNA analysis and population genetic aspects of old
Thracian populations from South-East of Romania"
Link:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/326027/Pal...ast-of-Romania
"As we can notice in the latter alignment, the Thracian individuals have shown informative point mutations in 7 np, the Romanian, Greek and Alban individuals in 8 np, the Italian individuals in 7 np and the Bulgarian individuals in only 5 np out of the 12 most informative nucleotide positions presented above.
As concerns the frequency of point mutations in the 12 nucleotide positions we have realized that the Italian individuals show the highest mutation frequency with 12.5 %, followed by the Thracian individuals with 8.3 %, the Alban individuals with 7.5 %, the Romanian and Greek individuals with 6.25 % and the Bulgarian individuals with only 4.6 %.
Computing the frequency of common point mutations of the present-day European population with the Thracian population has resulted that the Italian (7.9 %), the Alban (6.3 %) and the Greek (5.8 %) have shown a bias of closer genetic kinship with the Thracian individuals than the Romanian and Bulgarian individuals (only 4.2%)."
+ genetic info:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=152265138154597&l=53a0cd559a
Albanian people belong to the older Mediterraneans according to linguistic and genetic parameters; they would have establish in the Balkans before Greeks and Slavs...
Greeks have been shown by both genetic and historical data that do not belong to the ancient genetic pool.They are relative new-comers because the Indoeuropean (pre-Mycaenian) Greeks came to the Balkanic Peninsula by 2.000 BC paid tribute to Minoans, and destroy their empire by 1.450 BC; they absorbed Minoan culture and writing system and built their own Aegean Sea empire (Arnaiz-Villena et al 1999a). Greeks remain as outliers in all our HLA genetic analyses (Table 6 and unpublished)...
1.Albanians have a Illyro-Thracian ancestry. I even think that TOSK dialekt is a thraco-etruskan language. The Italians have a greater percentage of Thracian blood because latino-albano-etruscans are the descendents of Trojans who fled from destroyed land Phrygo-Thracians(after troyan war).
2.But I dont want to choice to discredit the greeks from their race. Usually this method works as boumerang in this area were the race is the same (even that we have to mention here the later arrivals, like slavs) but cultures are different. And Albanians are the biggest losers in these areas, until the year 1999 (when the World decided to prevent the total disappearance of this ancient culture, in the name of humanism, wile the whole World was watching this time, thanks to mass medias this time, who makes the difference whith ancient times). So, don't make me to deal whith the race, becacause I'm trying to discredit their propaganda, their chauvinism, and their atrocities against Albanians, NOT their race.
- Albanians are not like slavo-macedonians to offend the other ethnic groups just for chauvinistic pourpouses. We have nothing against the greeks, they are our neigbours and if we want to be respected we must show some dignity not to fall in the same level of slavo-macedonians. The real enemies stand behind what is called "greek nation". These people mostly living in mount Athos and in some government buildings are the real people who need a DNA test. I bet the result would be: blood from another solar-system.
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http://soul-of-the-pillar.blogspot.com/2010/11/pelasgians-and-etruscansgreek-alphabet.html
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http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/mand001schi01_01/mand001schi01_01_0289.php
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http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?26281-European-civilization-in-the-midst-of-Asia&
+ Researches in Greece:
Romaico-Arvanetic vocabulary
Arvanites=Albanian-Skipetar
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+ Dictonary Latino Epiroticum, per R.D. Franciscus Blanchus
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Info + Alban/Albon/Albanian/Arberian/Arban/Arbon/Arbanians/Arvanites/Arnauts... when Illyrian and Thracian tribes intermarried so much around the albani tribe in todays center of Albania, from permanent withdrawal of that piece of Illyrian/Thracian (pelasgians) tribes who still survive the assimilation, after their collection around Balkan mountains, they change their name in "the sons of the eagle"-Shkypetar/Skipetar/Shqiptar, that represent or summarized in the best way their ancient identity
(and thousands of other books, from the ancient writers, to today...)
P.S: Anyone who want to reply me about these questions, and he don't want to proceed spaming here, he have to quote all my sentences one by one (for the sake of the rules of communiaction) because I'm doing the same from the 2 page here, when some pseudo nationlists (even racists) started to deviate the topic, whith their personal complexes about the autochthony of albanians. Otherwise, if you don't have what to say about these questions, start to write about the topic or leave at all.
So, can we proceed to discuss the topic, and not for complexes or each defendant here about the basic components of history in general, who can not differ the Colonizers from Indigenous and all their arguments came only from the period of history, when that area was conquered or colonized and all their occupation maps, replaced toponyms, atrocities or these kind of materials, are shown here like a arguments against the occupied people there.
