G25 G25 Celto-Germanic Calculator

qh777

qh777

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English, Scottish, Irish, French, German, Belgian
Y-DNA haplogroup
J2/J-M67/ J2a1b
mtDNA haplogroup
H/ H1/H1ao
The backbone of this list comes from https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/131/g25-british-isles-calculator.htm

After using it and then looking at the samples I had some issue with it. The list labeled samples Celtic that I think should not be classified as Celtic such as:

Code: 
Rome_Imperial,0.1027016,0.1489866,-0.0237507,-0.0575546,0.0043725,-0.0203241,-0.0013366,-0.0049469,0.0004219,0.019336,0.0032343,0.0023073,-0.0039209,-0.0015167,-0.008033,-0.0017982,0.003773,0.0005358,0.0013329,-0.0030926,-0.0024437,0.0018729,-0.0008961,-0.0004869,0.0005663
ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.125205,0.147252,0.045254,0.005814,0.044931,0.005578,-0.00094,0.003461,0.023725,0.039363,-0.004547,0.008992,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.012893,-0.001989,-0.001043,0.006208,0.003017,-0.003252,0.004742,0.002844,-0.006286,-0.000241,-0.002036
ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA,0.126344,0.153345,0.035072,-0.014858,0.052317,-0.013387,-0.00094,0.003461,0.020452,0.04155,0.004222,0.010041,-0.013528,-0.008808,0.007465,-0.015646,-0.011995,-0.003041,0.004902,-0.012631,0.007861,0.006306,-0.007641,-0.001325,0.008023
ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.148267,0.034695,-0.017442,0.043085,-0.005578,-0.002115,-0.003231,0.024952,0.051391,-0.001461,0.013488,-0.034043,-0.010184,-0.008415,0.011535,0.018515,-0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,0.003244,-0.001731,0.002588,-0.006266,-0.007544
ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.044123,-0.010336,0.046778,-0.004741,0.008225,0.004154,0.023725,0.044283,-0.004222,0.01109,-0.02215,-0.011147,-0.006243,-0.006099,0.002738,-0.000127,0.004902,-0.004252,-0.009109,0.004328,-0.003081,-0.009519,-0.002874

In the list I made, I took those out and added a few more Germanic samples, added one extra sample Czech_IA_LaTene:I14985 for more continental Celt, and changed Anglo-Saxon to Germanic. It's still overall a work in progress.
The main goal of the list I modified is to answer the question of what one's Celtic/Germanic/Mediterranean admixture is.

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Ok, did some more work on the list. And when I ADC 0.25x I get results that make sense based on results of other calculators I've ran on myself.

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Also, trying to tune the results to what my breakdown looks like on MyTrueAncestry as of 1/2/2024

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It adds up to 76.x% Celt and 23ish % Germanic. Strangely no Mediterranean or Near East. The exception being 0.X% Illyrian that shows up in the deep dive pie chart:

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Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0127% / 0.01274850
59.0 Celtic
22.2 Mediterranean
18.8 Germanic

Distance to: Beowulf_Scaled
0.01937489 74.20% Germanic:VK2020_DNK_Jutland_VA + 25.80% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.01943530 73.40% Celtic:England_MIA + 26.60% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.02090892 71.80% Germanic:England_Saxon:I0161 + 28.20% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.02096293 62.60% Germanic:Norway_IA.SG:VK390_noUDG.SG + 37.40% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.02096511 72.60% Celtic:England_Roman + 27.40% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
 
Ivorix said:
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0127% / 0.01274850
59.0 Celtic
22.2 Mediterranean
18.8 Germanic

Distance to: Beowulf_Scaled
0.01937489 74.20% Germanic:VK2020_DNK_Jutland_VA + 25.80% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.01943530 73.40% Celtic:England_MIA + 26.60% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.02090892 71.80% Germanic:England_Saxon:I0161 + 28.20% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.02096293 62.60% Germanic:Norway_IA.SG:VK390_noUDG.SG + 37.40% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.02096511 72.60% Celtic:England_Roman + 27.40% Mediterranean:Greece_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
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Looks good Ivorix
 
Added more samples. 4 were some of the new Greek samples from 2023.

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qh777 said:
Also, trying to tune the results to what my breakdown looks like on MyTrueAncestry as of 1/2/2024

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It adds up to 76.x% Celt and 23ish % Germanic. Strangely no Mediterranean or Near East. The exception being 0.X% Illyrian that shows up in the deep dive pie chart:

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I can easily duplicate or rather create very similar results from MTA when I simplify down to 4 samples.

Code: 
Mediterranean:Greece_Tiryns_IA:TIR008,0.124067,0.161469,-0.008297,-0.067184,0.044624,-0.032072,0.000235,-0.002538,0.012885,0.051937,-0.000325,0.012589,-0.013825,0.000275,-0.023887,0.005436,0.026338,-0.005574,0.005405,-0.012506,-0.018967,0.000124,0.006655,0.003615,-0.000359
Celtic:England_MIA,0.12996405,0.13538346,0.060289337,0.047477108,0.039859012,0.016528458,0.001749759,0.0046596627,0.0072667952,0.0058359277,-0.0051983735,0.006791,-0.015229675,-0.015531482,0.021695627,0.0061454578,-0.0051493855,0.0019308795,0.001600747,0.0035408675,0.0059368193,0.0043263976,-0.001774506,0.0057591446,-0.0015119518
Germanic:Sweden_Viking.SG:VK455_noUDG.SG,0.133173,0.129988,0.069013,0.064923,0.050779,0.03012,-0.002585,0.000923,0.003068,0,-0.016076,0.008542,-0.011893,-0.021056,0.026873,0.03275,-0.000782,0.00114,0.003645,0.021385,0.012478,0.003586,-0.005669,0.017231,0.000239
NearEast:Egyptian_Late_Kingdom_Period:EGY_Late_Period:JK2134,0.046667,0.152329,-0.037712,-0.121126,0,-0.054384,-0.010575,-0.006231,0.048472,0.007289,0.000162,-0.010191,0.026164,0.000138,0,-0.008486,-0.007953,-0.005194,-0.00176,0.006878,0.005989,0.001237,0.005053,0.013134,0.006227


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The average on the table above mirrors what I personally think is my real ancient ancestral breakdown: 70% Celtic 20% Germanic 10% Mediterranean/Near East or 65/20/15. But I lean towards the first breakdown.
 
Thanks to Stefano I've merged my G25 coordinates from MyHeritage and Ancestrydna.

The results now more closely match what I think my admix is.

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Distance to: Veritus_scaled
0.04681618 Mediterranean:Italy_IA_Republic.SG:R473.SG
0.04732693 Mediterranean:Italy_Tuscany_Grosseto_Etruscan:CSN008
0.05022657 Celtic:Czech_IA_LaTene:I14985
0.05231379 Mediterranean:Italy_Tuscany_Pisa_Etruscan:VOL001
0.05621690 Mediterranean:Italy_PianSultano_BA.SG:R11104.SG
0.05739363 Celtic:Continental_celt:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111
0.05795357 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2:I20827
0.05892730 Mediterranean:Italy_PianSultano_BA.SG:R11105.SG
0.06026854 Mediterranean:Italy_PianSultano_BA.SG:R11107.SG
0.06149695 Mediterranean:Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan:TAQ012
0.06639116 Celtic:Czech_IA_LaTene:I14984
0.06678416 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.06763736 Mediterranean:Italy_PianSultano_BA.SG:R11102.SG
0.06815867 Mediterranean:Spain_EBA_Mallorca:I4329
0.06976273 Celtic:England_MIA_LIA:I21310
0.07044133 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2:I19356
0.07049579 Germanic:DEU_MA_ACD:STR_220
0.07113458 Celtic:France_HautsDeFrance_IA2.SG:ATT26.SG
0.07147269 Mediterranean:Spain_NE_Iberia_BA:MIV001
0.07258064 Germanic:VK2020_DNK_Jutland_VA
0.07261690 Mediterranean:Italy_Salapia_Daunian.SG:SAL003.SG
0.07261771 Mediterranean:Italy_ReginaMargherita_BA.SG:GCP003.SG
0.07290619 Celtic:6DT22
0.07410870 Celtic:England_MIA:I11146
 
Target: Veritus_scaled
Distance: 0.0088% / 0.00881676
38.8 Mediterranean
31.7 Germanic
26.3 Celtic
3.2 NearEast
 
My merged files, ............seem very odd .............Celtic replaced Germanic in post #10

46.9 Mediterranean
41.6 Celtic
9.4 Germanic
2.1 NearEast
 
torzio said:
My merged files, ............seem very odd .............Celtic replaced Germanic in post #10

46.9 Mediterranean
41.6 Celtic
9.4 Germanic
2.1 NearEast
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Mine definitely didn't change that much.
 
torzio said:
Ancestry is the only company which gives me a lot of Germanic


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I don't know if this list I made works well for people of mostly Mediterranean descent or not. You're the first one to try it besides myself. I think I'd have to add more Mediterranean samples to keep it balanced with the Celtic and Germanic.
 
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