Not my term Ailchu, you said there was no europeanness. That was your statement, my question was why did't you say the same thing about any other continent and peoples from those continents. As for genetic continuity with politics. I am in my 50's, when I visited Sicily and Rome last summer, I made sure to spend at least 1 day in each of the following places, the Cathederals in Palermo Province at Cefalu and Monreale. I also spent a day at Saint Peters. So to me, the bedrock of European civilization in general, Italian in particular is a 3 legged stool, Roman/Greco/Christendom. The 3rd one tend to piss off the modern secular marxist, but that is my view. So hypothetically, if in 30 years if I am still here, and I visit those same places and they now are the same as the Hagia Sophia, then from my perspective, that is no longer Italy. It is now just a building that has been transformed because the cultures that build those cathederals, both ethnically and theologically no longer exist. It is just museum on the map, no longer a living visible tangible object that one can look back in time, in continuity to the culture that produced those buildings. The entire EU narrative, with their UN backers is to deconstruct European history, in my view. One only needs to look at the Cathederal in Paris at Notre Dame. The EU and secularist want to build it to reflect modern secular France and disconnect it from the native French and the Culture that built it. In my view, it is because the entire EU/UN/NGO project is exactly that, an attempt separate peoples from their ancestral culture and "disconnect them from it". So whenever I see these notions of total ethnic discontinuity from the Iron Age till today, I ex ante reject it as part of broader political philosophy rooted in cultural marxism. And before someone says, well before the Bronze Age, there was discontinuity across Europe, yes i am well aware of that, J. Krause did a lecture on that at the University of California in August of 2016, which is still on Youtube. Nobody today is 100% WHG, nobody today is 100% EHG, nobody today is 100% EEF, etc, etc, etc, However, by the Bronze Age, not later than the Iron Age, modern European Ethnic groups and peoples were pretty well what they are today, based on all what I have read. So Ailichu, you may not agree with my political philosophy, and you may not like that I maintain Christendom was part of the foundation that build European Civilization, but I have believed that as a Kid, young adult, believe it now and will go to my grave holding to that view. And I understand that you disagree with my views that I hope Italy does a Italian version of Brexit and reclaims political control over all matters that are internal to Italian politics. That does not mean I reject International cooperation, NATO has worked well since WW2 and Italy has been a very loyal NATO ally to the USA, in fact, along with the UK, probably the best. Bilateral trade deals with USA and Italy, all for them, maybe trilateral and bring the UK in, great. But Italian border policies, speech codes, marriage laws being dictated by the EU and Macron and Ms. Merkel, if I were an Italian citizen, not no but hell no. Those are my views and I probably said more on a tangential issue to the thread than I normally do, but to me there is some connection. Best Regards to you and yours, PT