Genetics of Modern Greeks

[Thucydides enjoyer]

Cypriots, Aegean islanders, Pontics, Italiotes, Anatolians, mainlanders and even Levantine Rum are all Greeks. This needs to be driven home. And yes they all have their own clusters, they had their own cluster from the get go, when the ethnogenesis of Greeks began (Bronze Age Greeks of Greece and Bronze Age Greeks of Cyprus were distinct because they formed from different local elements-still, they were both Greek). Within the clusters themselves there is variance and even some people that are assimilated. Case in point the bilingual populations (Slavic-Greek) of Greek Macedonia-they are aware of what they are yet most of them refuse the minority status.

Taking all these into consideration, I doubt we will find one profile that encompasses all Roman era Greeks. They are an imperial population, I expect variance.

Of course there is variance,but i dont expect to be that much.

 

[lacreme]

Based on the places ,across the mediterranean, where settlements or trading posts were established if anything they would be even more diverse, not less.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek...le:Griechischen_und_phönizischen_Kolonien.jpg
Even when taking into account the xenophobic nature of some greek societies I don't think it's possible that all of them (as individuals ) would have kept a "pristine" profile until their eventual demise.

 

[Dianatomia]

Mycenaeans were close to the people who inhabited the west coast of anatolia,since the tribes who inhabited west anatolia were present also in Greece,but not close to Kaskians,so that doesnt make any sense.I dont have any agenda,i just present my idea of what Roman Greeks could have looked like.The samples from the future will prove if i am wrong or right.

Thracians were close to Mycenaeans, and so were West Anatolians. But they were not identical and formed their own clusters. There has been a cluster shift in West Anatolia after the Greek settlement.

 

[Southpaw]

From the Greek tribes i think that potentially Aeolian tribe might have been the one carrying E-V13.

 

[bigsnake49]

As you said, y dna is very useful for finding out migration pattern, then how can you explain the ev13 in greeks, while mycenean greeks didnt have ev13. Ofc some ev13 might have been introduced in greeks by thracians during iron age and later periods but most of it seems to come from vlachs and albanians. As for Albanians, from the models that ive seen, they almost dont have any mycenean admixture however they do have anatolian dna from Imperial Roman colonists which could make them closer to modern Greeks who also have this type of admixture.

We don't have enough Bronze Age samples to make any statistical claims about EV13 or really about any other haplogroup. The ones we have are from royal tombs. When we have samples from common folks then we can actually make some informed guesses. It's like drawing conclusions about modern Bulgarians by studying the Bulgars who were a military elite. From genetic studies less than 2% of the Bulgarian ancestry is due to the Bulgars.

 

[bigsnake49]

This is from the link that I send above, they model Albanian admixture using Albanian medieval samples.

The problem with that model is that you could model them with Greek Medieval samples (non Albanian and non-Vlach) as well and you could find a good fit.

 

[Dahoi]

From the Greek tribes i think that potentially Aeolian tribe might have been the one carrying E-V13.

What makes you think that?