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History of Aryans in Europe

Cyrus said:
I mean the original ones who were called orya (slave/southerner) by Finnish and Sami people.
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where did you find this term: 'orya': in which language? - it could be exciting if real!
 
Saetrus said:
There is no such thing, here's what the data actually shows:
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The change in both the Iranian Plateau and Turan during the bronze age is towards the south Caucasus, not the Steppe, it's the same change you see in Anatolia and Southeast Europe, associated with the same group of south Caucasus Y-DNA which you can find in BMAC, most of which were lacking in those regions before Indo-Europeans, as neolithic Turan was dominated by R2a, neolithic Europe and Anatolia were dominated by I2 and G2.
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Well, that is not what I see in the 1st PCA chart in your answer. Iran_Neolithic is closest to CHG, Iran_Chalcolithic is already a bit more shifted to Anatolian Bronze Age and to steppe-enriched Bronze Age Europe, and the Iran_Iron Age sample is even more shifted southward (toward Anatolian/Greek-like) and westward (BA Europe), reaching a position closer to Modern Greeks and Armenia_EBA (which was already very different from the earlier CHG-dominant Caucasus and IIRC had the R1b-Z2103 haplogroup that was so common in Yamnaya steppe people). Comparing Iran_Neolithic to Iran_Iron Age samples it is very clear in the PCA that the latter is much closer to Steppe_MLBA, so there could have been a "northward - and westward - shift" (in fact the Iranian migration from the Central Asian steppe to the Iranian Plateau is assumed to have happened even later, during the early Iron Age, so those early Iranians were probably already even more shifted to the Iranian+Anatolian+Levantine mix of the Middle East than the Steppe_MLBA population, who may not be the best proxy of the actual Iranic migrants that would become Persians, Medes and so on).


What change that happened in Anatolia and Southeast Europe was the same as in Turan? Do you refer to Y-DNA haplogroups like J2?
 
If Arya* means Nobility in IE languages and Orya* means Slave, wich is a 1st degree social antagonism. The term Orya probably comes from a pejorative slang against IE peoples neighboring Uralic ones. If the word is only found in Finnish and Saami it's pretty weird because both, never border people using the Arya cognate, Balts and Slavs did not. It's like Iranians making Deva ( bad ) when Deva is originally the good.
 
Another interesting thing about the original land of Aryans (Airyana Vaeja), is the word Vaeja, it doesn't mean "land", it is similar to Vuoja, name of Gotland in Finnish, also Vāci, name of Germans in Latvian.
 
Based on speculations that the Proto-Indo-European homeland was located in northern Europe, a 19th-century hypothesis which is now abandoned, the word developed a racialist meaning. The Nazis used the word "Aryan" to describe people in a racial sense. ... In September 1935, the Nazis passed the Nuremberg Laws.
 
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