Yetos
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There is a new search in Greece focusing local Makedonians before 1860 from central Makedonia, upper Makedonia and parts of Thessaly and Epirus wich were considered as ancient Makedonia Connected,
it is at old man more than 70 years old awhose grand fathers were locals at the villages before 1860 (Thessaly Greek-Turkish wars),
we have to wait for the publish, but from what I heard we maybe have surprising differences with R1a G2 and J2 .
the samples are many, so to give a good map.
from the search populations are excluded, like Pontian and Smyrna Greeks, Aromani, Arbanites, Epirotans, Romanians, Slavic Makedonians, Cretans, Peloponese, Bulgarians etc, so to have clear view,
you may get surprised.
Now about Turkish and Turkic populations in Balkans,
1rst Turkic, as well known Turkic is the case of Cumans which we know they inhabit Kumanovo in Fyrom and some other places, so a search there couls help,
2nd Turkish, the known migration of authentic Turkish populations were mainly in East parts of Turkey and Azerbaijan, reaching Mirsini (Mercina) and a part of them with Turkish assimilated population at Adrianoupolis -Edirne, and the migrations to Con/polis-Istabul. the rest Turkish populations are mainly assimilated locals to Islam and to Turkish language, so it is clear that major Turkish population is local pre-Turkish.
Now about Slavic populations. that is a fact since we have even linguistic elements,
it seems like Slavic migrations to Greece happened through 4 ways, from wich 2 were short
1 Dusan of Serbia short influence
2 Cymeon of Bulgaria also small influebce
3 marriages of Nobles and small migrations, that explains why Mt Αροανια Aroania is changed to Helmos
4 through Ottoman empire,
Ottomans wanted to break a national continuity were ever they went, so they took small populations from every part, that helped them also in merchantise, that small communities gave an international colour, and could help avoiding rebellions.
the last is clear since even today we find Slavic to be turned to Greek sounds mainly at big merchants families, and the opposite in South Slavic countries,
I mean one who was named Bogdan become Bogdanos and one with name Nikolaou in Greece become Nikolic or Nikolov or Nikolu in Balkans,
the case among Greek-Makedonian and Slavic Makedonian is not as some people say,
a good example is to check Monasterion-Bitola population and around Florina-Lerin population,
and what is the population today.
Monasterion town was more than 40% Greek inhabited, while Florina villages had more than 30% Slavic populations, yet today Monasterion share almost Zero Greek population and Florina numbered Slavic speaking,
it is at old man more than 70 years old awhose grand fathers were locals at the villages before 1860 (Thessaly Greek-Turkish wars),
we have to wait for the publish, but from what I heard we maybe have surprising differences with R1a G2 and J2 .
the samples are many, so to give a good map.
from the search populations are excluded, like Pontian and Smyrna Greeks, Aromani, Arbanites, Epirotans, Romanians, Slavic Makedonians, Cretans, Peloponese, Bulgarians etc, so to have clear view,
you may get surprised.
Now about Turkish and Turkic populations in Balkans,
1rst Turkic, as well known Turkic is the case of Cumans which we know they inhabit Kumanovo in Fyrom and some other places, so a search there couls help,
2nd Turkish, the known migration of authentic Turkish populations were mainly in East parts of Turkey and Azerbaijan, reaching Mirsini (Mercina) and a part of them with Turkish assimilated population at Adrianoupolis -Edirne, and the migrations to Con/polis-Istabul. the rest Turkish populations are mainly assimilated locals to Islam and to Turkish language, so it is clear that major Turkish population is local pre-Turkish.
Now about Slavic populations. that is a fact since we have even linguistic elements,
it seems like Slavic migrations to Greece happened through 4 ways, from wich 2 were short
1 Dusan of Serbia short influence
2 Cymeon of Bulgaria also small influebce
3 marriages of Nobles and small migrations, that explains why Mt Αροανια Aroania is changed to Helmos
4 through Ottoman empire,
Ottomans wanted to break a national continuity were ever they went, so they took small populations from every part, that helped them also in merchantise, that small communities gave an international colour, and could help avoiding rebellions.
the last is clear since even today we find Slavic to be turned to Greek sounds mainly at big merchants families, and the opposite in South Slavic countries,
I mean one who was named Bogdan become Bogdanos and one with name Nikolaou in Greece become Nikolic or Nikolov or Nikolu in Balkans,
the case among Greek-Makedonian and Slavic Makedonian is not as some people say,
a good example is to check Monasterion-Bitola population and around Florina-Lerin population,
and what is the population today.
Monasterion town was more than 40% Greek inhabited, while Florina villages had more than 30% Slavic populations, yet today Monasterion share almost Zero Greek population and Florina numbered Slavic speaking,
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