I2a-Slavic (former I2a-Din) as a slavic marker present in non-slavic populations

gyms said:
Genetic characterization of 27 Y-STR loci with the Yfiler® Plus kit in the population of Serbia
 Dragana Zgonjanin
Rashed Alghafri
General Department of Forensic Sciences and Criminology, Dubai Police G.H.Q., Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Mirjana Antov
Faculty of Technology, University of Novi Sad, Blvd. Cara Lazara 1, Novi Sad, Serbia
Goran Stojiljković
Stojan Petković
Radenko Vuković
Dragan Drašković
"The Y-STR haplotypes observed in the three Serbian geographic areas is reported in Table S1. A total of 200 different haplotypes was observed in the sample of 203 Serbian individuals. A total of 197 unique haplotypes (singletons) were obtained from 203 individuals using the Yfiler® Plus kit (Table S2). All haplotypes in Northern, Central and Southern Serbia were unique, but three haplotypes shared between different Serbian regions were found (Table S1). A null allele was observed in one individual at DYS391. In all the samples, four different intermediate alleles were found in two loci (DYS390 and DYS458) whereas locus DYS458 showed the highest number (three different intermediate alleles with 17.2, 19.2 and 20.2, each of them were observed two times). In Western Eurasia, micro-variant alleles at the DYS458 locus have been frequently found to be associated with the binary haplogroups J1-M267 and R1b3-M405 [9,10]. Intermediate allele 24.3 at DYS390 was observed eight times."
"Genetic distances (RST) were calculated between the Serbian populations and 11 additional populations from which data for the same set of 27 Y-STRs were available (Basque Country [13]; Italy [14]; China [15]; Denmark, Greenland, Somalia [16]; Switzerland; Germany; Austria; Hungary and Poland (data submitted to the YHRD [8])). The genetic distance between populations (RST) and multidimensional scaling (MDS) analysis were obtained by using the “AMOVA and MDS” online tool implemented in YHRD. In the calculation of genetic distances with the YHRD tool, haplotypes presenting null, intermediate, duplicated (except for DYS385 and DYF387S1) or triplicated alleles were removed, and the number of repeats in DYS389I were subtracted from DYS389II. Pairwise genetic distances were visualized in two-dimensional space using the multi-dimensional scaling (MDS) method [17]. RST p-values were calculated for 10,000 permutations.
Small, non-statistically significant RST values were obtained between Northern, Central and Southern Serbia (Table S4). The results revealed significant differences between the three Serbian geographic areas and all compared populations (Table S4). Accordingly, in the MDS plot (Fig. S3) samples from Northern, Central and Southern Serbia clustered together, clearly separated from the other European samples. The majority of European populations formed a loose cluster except for the Polish and Hungarian. A clear East–West divide has been confirmed in the haplotype variations in European analysis [18,19].
This study represents the first report of haplotype frequencies for the Yfiler® Plus markers’ set in a population of Serbia, showing a high diversity of haplotypes and, therefore, demonstrating their usefulness in forensic identification cases."
http://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S...17)30155-2/pdf
Haplotypes available here.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthr...d-Ancient-DNA-in-the-News&p=271306#post271306
A total of 200 different haplotypes was observed in the sample of 203 Serbian individuals. A total of 197 unique haplotypes (singletons) were obtained from 203 individuals using the Yfiler® Plus kit (Table S2).(!!!)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzQ7ajrn9vY6S1BJUnNMeGZEQU0/view
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I cant seem to access the results, can you post the y dna lines here?
 
I2a presence in albania has nothing to do with religion of slavs, bosnia is/was also "muslim" so that is where most slavic muslims would have settled, not albania with a completely different language

Anyway, albania has many slavic toponyms including north albania so an early presence looks likely. North albania has 6.5% r1a, pretty much all of it is slavic and another 5.4% i2a, most of it looks like typical slavic ph908. We can say north albanians have 10%+ slavic y dna but its slightly more in kosovo albanians and probably macedonian albanians
Anyway, i-ph908 definitely looks like it was expanded by slavs moving south/west as do most dinaric south lines and it peaks in bosnia.

However in south albania and greece some of the i2a is not dinaric south, it is dinaric north like mine which south slavs lack. It has greater frequency and diversity in south albania and greece than serbia, bosnia, croatia, macedonia etc. It is not yet clear who these people were but they have a separate history, a history that links the region of ukraine and south albania/greece. This clearly has nothing to do with religion/ottoman moving slavs to albania as ukraine had nothing to do with ottoman empire and greece was always "christian" anyway
 
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Man just get over it. It doesn't make you any less Albanian for having a Y-DNA that entered the Balkans with Slavs or any barbarian tribes from the North. It makes up a fraction of a percent of your entire genome, and you're neglecting the fact that there are likely Albanian specific subclades that have been expanding with Albanians for at least 1000 years. Who cares if it's not Illyrian, Thracian or whatever seems cool. Albanians cannot be Albanians without the Slavic, Germanic, Roman or Greek inputs. Otherwise it would still just be called Illyrian.

Cultures and peoples evolve. There's J2b-L283 Serbs, and trust me they're still just a Serb. You can't ignore or dismiss 99% of your genome which represents collective ancestry from various ancient ancestors.
 
Dibran said:
Man just get over it. It doesn't make you any less Albanian for having a Y-DNA that entered the Balkans with Slavs or any barbarian tribes from the North. It makes up a fraction of a percent of your entire genome, and you're neglecting the fact that there are likely Albanian specific subclades that have been expanding with Albanians for at least 1000 years. Who cares if it's not Illyrian, Thracian or whatever seems cool. Albanians cannot be Albanians without the Slavic, Germanic, Roman or Greek inputs. Otherwise it would still just be called Illyrian.
Cultures and peoples evolve. There's J2b-L283 Serbs, and trust me they're still just a Serb. You can't ignore or dismiss 99% of your genome which represents collective ancestry from various ancient ancestors.
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I didnt say it makes me less albanian. It does however make me less mediterranean, less ancient greek, less roman legionary etc but it makes me an albanian whg and my ancestors helped bring blue eyes to our people ;-)
 
TaktikatEMalet said:
I didnt say it makes me less albanian. It does however make me less mediterranean, less ancient greek, less roman legionary etc but it makes me an albanian whg and my ancestors helped bring blue eyes to our people ;-)
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You're completely delusional. Your haplogroup only descends from WHG before there were distinctions based on founder effects and bottlenecks. Your Y-DNA is specifically Slavic, and traces back no further than 100-200 BCE to one man. You're also ignoring 99% of your entire genome AGAIN. I can tell you know practically nothing about what you discuss. News flash, you very much do have Mediterranean, ancient Greek and Roman DNA, coupled with Paleo-Balkan, and a whiff of Balto-Slavic admixture. You're an absolute clown if you deny 99% of what makes you, YOU, merely for a fraction of a percent of your entire DNA.
 
Dibran said:
You're completely delusional. Your haplogroup only descends from WHG before there were distinctions based on founder effects and bottlenecks. Your Y-DNA is specifically Slavic, and traces back no further than 100-200 BCE to one man. You're also ignoring 99% of your entire genome AGAIN. I can tell you know practically nothing about what you discuss. News flash, you very much do have Mediterranean, ancient Greek and Roman DNA, coupled with Paleo-Balkan, and a whiff of Balto-Slavic admixture. You're an absolute clown if you deny 99% of what makes you, YOU, merely for a fraction of a percent of your entire DNA.
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Y dna is the most important thing to me as it carries on into my sons and keeps going, doesnt matter if its from 1 man from 300BC, that one man still descends directly from WHG who were originally responsible for blue eye genes. Why should I ignore 40,000 years of history just because you are obsessed with "slavs" - and my ancestors have been albanian far longer than supposedly slavic, they would have only been for a few hundred years but most of their history was spent as WHG fighting, running and most importantly surviving from pleistocene animals and the ice age in europe

There is a lot of supposed slavic autosomal in albanian people and made a lot of us look more european than we did 2000 years ago. There is a reason why my family members have blue eyes and light coloured hair, they helped bring those genetics to our people. We can be sure that most r1a in south europe is slavic as r1a has no history in europe prior to 3000BC. However i2a is the oldest line in europe and we have to be careful with assigning all of it as slavic as different lines would have been assimilated by different people throughout history
 
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^^This ranks way up there with some of the more delusional posts I've seen here.

For one thing, pigmentation alleles CANNOT be found on the y Chromosome. THAT'S A FACT.

For another, Albanians have a LOT of Anatolian farmer ancestry, so spend some time imagining working in your field of wheat or taking care of your vines and fruit trees and your cattle and sheep.

For another, it's easy to find out how much WHG you possess. Run your genome through the readily available calculators. I'm agog to find out how much of your genome is actually WHG descended.
 
Angela said:
^^This ranks way up there with some of the more delusional posts I've seen here.
For one thing, pigmentation alleles CANNOT be found on the y Chromosome. THAT'S A FACT.
For another, Albanians have a LOT of Anatolian farmer ancestry, so spend some time imagining working in your field of wheat or taking care of your vines and fruit trees and your cattle and sheep.
For another, it's easy to find out how much WHG you possess. Run your genome through the readily available calculators. I'm agog to find out how much of your genome is actually WHG descended.
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Like i said i have the most important WHG ancestry and thats y dna, i dont need to know how much autosomal WHG i have when i have male WHG which was born in europe and has been here for 40,000 years. Autosomal dna doesnt interest me as i already have the male line and it was the males that ensured WHG survival until the invaders from asia came along. Dont know why that makes you so upset, it is not possible to erase history

Albanians and italians have a lot of EEF autosomal which is why they often have darker eyes/skin/hair than scandinavians and baltic people who have a lot more WHG autosomal
 
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Honestly, do you live in the 21st century?

Have you ever read a genetics paper or a paper on pigmentation in your life?

You want to believe something that represents 2% of your total dna determines your identity? Go ahead.

Just STOP spamming about it. We heard you.

No one cares, and anyone with any knowledge of these intellectual matters knows it's nonsense.
 
TaktikatEMalet said:
Y dna is the most important thing to me as it carries on into my sons and keeps going, doesnt matter if its from 1 man from 300BC, that one man still descends directly from WHG who were originally responsible for blue eye genes. Why should I ignore 40,000 years of history just because you are obsessed with "slavs" - and my ancestors have been albanian far longer than supposedly slavic, they would have only been for a few hundred years but most of their history was spent as WHG fighting, running and most importantly surviving from pleistocene animals and the ice age in europe
There is a lot of supposed slavic autosomal in albanian people and made a lot of us look more european than we did 2000 years ago. There is a reason why my family members have blue eyes and light coloured hair, they helped bring those genetics to our people. We can be sure that most r1a in south europe is slavic as r1a has no history in europe prior to 3000BC. However i2a is the oldest line in europe and we have to be careful with assigning all of it as slavic as different lines would have been assimilated by different people throughout history
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Yeah, thanks for the laugh buddy, when I need a comedian I'll make sure to call you :laughing:
 
Ed. by Angela.

One more racist post like that and you're out of here.

LAST WARNING!
 
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Just a sec, if Y-dna and Mt-dna are such irrelevant and superfluous in relation and concerning the scientific-genealogical research.
Than why does exist FTDNA, YFull, Yseq, Living Dna, 23andme etc, what's the purpose of studying the Y-dna meanwhile that it is so insignificant!?
Hundred of Genetic studies, thousends of elaborated opinions/replies/personal pursues & researchs /comments etc, for what !?

Althought i must strongly criticize the biased and tendentious Phenotypical stereotypicization/characterization of people, communities, ethnicities.
 
exercitus said:
Just a sec, if Y-dna and Mt-dna are such irrelevant and superfluous in relation and concerning the scientific-genealogical research.
Than why does exist FTDNA, YFull, Yseq, Living Dna, 23andme etc, what's the purpose of studying the Y-dna meanwhile that it is so insignificant!?
Hundred of Genetic studies, thousends of elaborated opinions/replies/personal pursues & researchs /comments etc, for what !?
Althought i must strongly criticize the biased and tendentious Phenotypical stereotypicization/characterization of people, communities, ethnicities.
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People on here seem to have issues with other peoples y dna lines, even though whg carried almost exclusively i2a and are responsible for europeans today having blue eyes. Theres nothing wrong with having steppe y dna, it brought the languages most of us speak today
 
Ed. by Angela,

No such racist posts are permitted here.

This is the last warning to both of you.

You want to engage in that stuff go to the apricity.

You want to continue to post here?

CUT IT OUT!
 
1337 said:
Ed. by Angela.

One more racist post like that and you're out of here.

LAST WARNING!
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What was so racist about my post ? Just a picture of a guy. You never said anything when I insulted Albania and used swear words ? That guy was right, I should of been banned then. You have an entire section here that talks negative about Muslims also. Hmmm.... https://www.eupedia.com/forum/forums/169-Immigration-Islam-in-Europe


Go ahead and ban me , I don't need your useless stupid forum filled with bugs. :laughing:
 
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