Politics Illegal Immigration: It's About Power

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That is the title of this ad by PragerU narrated by Tucker Carlson. The facts are presented that the biggest landslide victory in the U.S. was only by 17 million votes. Moreover, that there are about 22 million illegal immigrants in the USA. According to the 2016 Democrat party platform, they are aiming to give citizenship immediately to these 22 million illegal immigrants. The video makes the argument that the Democrats are doing this to secure electoral power for the foreseeable future. Furthermore, it points out a stark change in policy by prominent Democrats, such as Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, and Jerry Brown; who were initially opposed to illegal immigration.

Personally, I think it is clear that Democrats want to secure electoral power, and illegal immigrants who they supposedly care about are merely pawns to facilitate their agenda. Otherwise, why would they do such a 180 in policy?

Watch the video, and discuss.
 
I agree and I doubt the Clinton's are even democratically elected, in fact I doubt anyone has been in the American establishment since the 1900's?
 
In Europe, this has been done by the socialists 20 years ago, with the same motivation : getting more voters
They didn't care whether those immigrants were skilled or able to integrate in Europe.
We know the results of this.
It feeds both extreme right and extreme left and polarises society.
 
I think power is an element here, but ideology is also important; according to the postmodern left, Western culture is evil, as Western man is evil, and so if both disappear as a result of mass-immigration that is something to watch with glee.
 
Groninger said:
I think power is an element here, but ideology is also important; according to the postmodern left, Western culture is evil, as Western man is evil, and so if both disappear as a result of mass-immigration that is something to watch with glee.
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yes, I remember the Swedish green party leader - a woman - who was proud to anounce that soon white would be a minority in Sweden, as if that was their main goal
 
Yesterday we had this event


a ship with the name and command of a NGO (non govermental organization)
enter Lampadousa port,
and her captain is arrested,
the female captain is well known activist for 'saving Illegal immigrants'

the question is,
is she a really activist? or it is her job?
is she a political person? or want to be?
is she a modern Madonna? a savour of souls? who is spending her own money and time to do?
is she a modern Slave merchants? a link to Human trafficing? and is payed? or gets profit from this?

Every body according his own Daemon,
but do not let such people play with our mind. and emotion and sentiments
Cause to who she is? it is obvious?
THEY ARREST HER, BUT NO HANDCUFFS !!!!! :thinking:
 
why arrest her? for me her actions are understandable. but also salvini is understandable. i think both of them want the same thing. that other parts of europe start to take up those people and they don't strand in italy.
 
Ailchu said:
why arrest her? for me her actions are understandable. but also salvini is understandable. i think both of them want the same thing. that other parts of europe start to take up those people and they don't strand in italy.
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Arrest with out handcuffs, is a strange arrest.
Don't you agree?
 
Ailchu said:
hard to say who needs to be saved and who doesn't.
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The planet needs to be saved. Not economically disadvantaged pushing to get in front of the line to go from low carbon footprint to high carbon footprint. Who will pay for free benefits and endless carbon gas created by those who put themselves first?
 
so she is free again. and no matter how hard salvini is going to try he will not get her into prison because there is nothing wrong unless she communicated with the human traffickers. in the end salvini will probably give her a national referral anyway.
 
Silesian said:
The planet needs to be saved. Not economically disadvantaged pushing to get in front of the line to go from low carbon footprint to high carbon footprint. Who will pay for free benefits and endless carbon gas created by those who put themselves first?
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so poor people should stay poor so the rich can have a bigger carbon footprint? that's quite selfish. there are many economic refugees who are not illegal btw. many people who migrate in europe are just that, economic refugees. should the albanians stay in their country because the carbon footprint there is way lower? also there is no way to tell who needs real help or who is economic refugee once they drowned. or do you have a solution? how should people who really need help get to europe otherwise?
 
Ailchu said:
so poor people should stay poor so the rich can have a bigger carbon footprint? that's quite selfish. there are many economic refugees who are not illegal btw. many people who migrate in europe are just that, economic refugees. should the albanians stay in their country because the carbon footprint there is way lower? also there is no way to tell who needs real help or who is economic refugee once they drowned. or do you have a solution? how should people who really need help get to europe otherwise?
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Poor people, who tend to have a lot of children, create a massive carbon footprint. The real driver of global warming is overpopulation. Having more kids than you can afford seems very selfish to me.
 
Jovialis said:
Poor people, who tend to have a lot of children, create a massive carbon footprint. The real driver of global warming is overpopulation. Having more kids than you can afford seems very selfish to me.
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the carbon footprint is way lower in those poor countries than in the rich countries. at least when we look at the carbon footprint per person. so the real driver is not overpopulation but the way we live. the real selfish people would be the people in wealthy countries who have children, according to your theory. or at least there is no difference in selfishness.
 
Ailchu said:
so poor people should stay poor so the rich can have a bigger carbon footprint? that's quite selfish. there are many economic refugees who are not illegal btw. many people who migrate in europe are just that, economic refugees. should the albanians stay in their country because the carbon footprint there is way lower? also there is no way to tell who needs real help or who is economic refugee once they drowned. or do you have a solution? how should people who really need help get to europe otherwise?
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Please--- Largest/Lowest carbon producers both single and per capita?
No it's all about me first, and the me first-bureaucrats and politicians +media who live in secure dwelling with secure pay check.Paid and subsidized by use of force on taxpayer who are threatened with jail if they don't pay tax to bureaucrats and politicians . Push your way to the front of the line, who cares about ,children,women, elderly, or mother earth. Big strong healthy men- capable of transforming their country into green sustainable economic power countries-providing a good living free health care and universal money and pensions , for their fellow citizens-instead opt to take the quick route for free benefits, by leaving to greener pastures .
 
Ailchu said:
so she is free again. and no matter how hard salvini is going to try he will not get her into prison because there is nothing wrong unless she communicated with the human traffickers. in the end salvini will probably give her a national referral anyway.
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That is the point,
Help a guy nextdoor, to pay his taxes,
You get problem with Tax burreaux for black money etc etc
Help a homelles next door, you will be taxated for having 1 more person at home to protect.

Organise a trip to Africa or Asia,
phone the local traffickers, (black money 'ticket')
sink their ship and get them on board.
and the DOORS OF OLYMP ARE OPEN. POWER IS YOURS.

PS
4.5 Billion E are spend UNHCR and EU in my country to keep both illegal immigrants and war refuggeess
Until this phainomenon stops
traffickers are just working class.
Some of them well paid, they get both salary from NGO and black money from immigrants.
 
Yetos said:
That is the point,
Help a guy nextdoor, to pay his taxes,
You get problem with Tax burreaux for black money etc etc
Help a homelles next door, you will be taxated for having 1 more person at home to protect.

Organise a trip to Africa or Asia,
phone the local traffickers, (black money 'ticket')
sink their ship and get them on board.
and the DOORS OF OLYMP ARE OPEN. POWER IS YOURS.

PS
4.5 Billion E are spend UNHCR and EU in my country to keep both illegal immigrants and war refuggeess
Until this phainomenon stops
traffickers are just working class.
Some of them well paid, they get both salary from NGO and black money from immigrants.
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look it all started with people drowning in the sea. then people started to help and now the traffickers know how to abuse this. but if we just stop to help then people would simply start drowning again.

and i don't understand your comment about the 4.5 billion. is this money there to support greece in keeping the refugees? so are you assuming that greece wants to take up those people to get the money? the problem really aren't the traffickers but the way europe is distributing the imigrants.
 
The real question is: when we let people in, what signal do we send to the numberless millions of others waiting beyond the border? How long can we let it all go on, and hope to cope? France receives 250,000 migrants each year (legal and illegal combined), i.e the equivalent of cities like Strasbourg or Nantes. And year after year the numbers are rising. Meanwhile the national debt is reaching terrifying heights (2400 billion euros!). We are already living far beyond our means. Can we still afford to be generous?
 
hrvclv said:
The real question is: when we let people in, what signal do we send to the numberless millions of others waiting beyond the border? How long can we let it all go on, and hope to cope? France receives 250,000 migrants each year (legal and illegal combined), i.e the equivalent of cities like Strasbourg or Nantes. And year after year the numbers are rising. Meanwhile the national debt is reaching terrifying heights (2400 billion euros!). We are already living far beyond our means. Can we still afford to be generous?
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2400 billion Euros--That is a lot of money---
Maybe big, strong, healthy, economic scavenger refugee types, getting to the front of the line of needy women and children- want to consider a move to Detroit--- used to be a French city in 1700's, and has a lot of empty cheap houses 1 dollar and up. Free street parties--


 
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