Irish Actor Barry Keoghan

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This guy is 100% Irish in background

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Is it just me or does he look like pseudo half Korean or something lol?
 
Nicu said:
This guy is 100% Irish in background

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Is it just me or does he look like pseudo half Korean or something lol?
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Except his eyes from, he has nothing East-Asian; but I think he has some 'mediter' input (not amazing for Irishmen) and I think his eyes could be inherited from some EHG input, so not more amazing. Coon noticed Finnishlike traits among some Irishmen (linked to ANE part of EHG too ?) and some rare 'mongoloidlike' eyelids have been noticed too in Scotland, Wales and even Brittany (Bigouden); maybe the same origin for all of them? Some Scandinavians show this too.
Now are these traits inherited directly from individuals among Steppic elements or later from Vikings of specific regions?
 
MOESAN said:
Except his eyes from, he has nothing East-Asian; but I think he has some 'mediter' input (not amazing for Irishmen) and I think his eyes could be inherited from some EHG input, so not more amazing. Coon noticed Finnishlike traits among some Irishmen (linked to ANE part of EHG too ?) and some rare 'mongoloidlike' eyelids have been noticed too in Scotland, Wales and even Brittany (Bigouden); maybe the same origin for all of them? Some Scandinavians show this too.
Now are these traits inherited directly from individuals among Steppic elements or later from Vikings of specific regions?
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Maybe, but he's also got some stronger cheekbones too, coarse thick straight hair, and weak facial hair growth, also associated with Asian populations. Not saying he can't be Irish, but yeah I think some kind of ANE component is definitely possible. Sometimes things pop up from latent gene expression, I dunno.
 
Uneasy to say for cheekbones: in the 3/4 profile they don't seem projected forwards so (it's the criterium for 'eastasian' type)s. This kind of broad cheekbones were common among EHG and among some WHG too (look at Loschbour and numerous others!) Even in the Mediterranean world this kind of cheekbones is not absent. I suppose that if you give him more 'europeanlike' eyes, he could passe very more easily. Straight head hair is not 'per se' an 'easrasiatic' trait and here I'm not sure his hair is so straight by nature (it's a question of length and combing. Just MO.
I agree again that the 'eastasian'like features in northern Europe is likely to be an ANE inheritage. That said, a recent study shew northeastern Europe received a north Siberian demic input from northern Siberia or surroundings before our era, if I remember well.
&: some Slavs and Irishmen were known for their broad cheekbones (even if they aren't the only ones in Europe).
 
lynxbythetv said:
Mmm being an Australian Ive never seen this look.
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I look again at him, and, well, yes, he shows a bit of east-asian look. But how ancient is the supposed input, I don't know. Maybe not as recent as peoeple may think... (same light traces in Brittany and other Celtic regions of NW Europe)
 
My sister thinks I look like Yao Ming, the Chinese basketball player (the irony, at 5'9" I am far closer in height to the average Chinese than their giant countryman) while I am 99.4% White and 0.6% Native American. On 23andMe I am 77% British Isles, while on Ancestry I am 78% Irish, English, Welsh, and Scottish (basically the same dataset), I for one think she is full of...stuff, but I wonder what others might think.IMG_0144.jpeg
 
Why do some people assume that ANE looked East Asian? They are a proxy meta-population, used to explain some archeogenetic models and data. They dispersed in various directions just like the Indo-Europeans later. Different ANE groups mixed with different populations. As odd as it is to see Europeans with epicanthic folds, there is nothing unusual about them and they can be found in all human populations across the planet. There is a British actor looks similarly to Keoghan, albeit not as "extreme." His name is Martin McDougall.
 
norbert said:
Why do some people assume that ANE looked East Asian? They are a proxy meta-population, used to explain some archeogenetic models and data. They dispersed in various directions just like the Indo-Europeans later. Different ANE groups mixed with different populations. As odd as it is to see Europeans with epicanthic folds, there is nothing unusual about them and they can be found in all human populations across the planet. There is a British actor looks similarly to Keoghan, albeit not as "extreme." His name is Martin McDougall.
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I doubt the epicanthic fold was found in very ancient pop of the planet. BTW this McDougall (father: Scot, mother: American) doesn't show as much east-asian-like input as the Irish actor (who shows very little). He has not the very same eyelids and as a whole shows typical HGlike input, for me at least.
 
Otherwise I agree we don't know too much about the so called ANE 's look. the first core of this pop surely had a lot of archaic traits, and after dispersion and crossings with others it's very risky to propose a definite type of them. The pop's rich of this component lived at first in a region where some of the westasian and eastasian traits cristallized separately, themselves staying in a kind of no man's land, where the polarization of these opposite traits could have been hesitating so?
 
MOESAN said:
I doubt the epicanthic fold was found in very ancient pop of the planet. BTW this McDougall (father: Scot, mother: American) doesn't show as much east-asian-like input as the Irish actor (who shows very little). He has not the very same eyelids and as a whole shows typical HGlike input, for me at least.
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I remember McDougall from the excellent BBC docudrama "Space Odyssey: Voyage to the Planets" from 2004. He was significantly younger at the time and it appears that those "traits" were more visible then. But he definitely doesn't show as much of these traits as Barry Keoghan. Not even Patrick Stewart.

As for the ANE, we are talking about a (ghost) meta-population from a period when the West/East Eurasian split was relatively recent. East Eurasian doesn't equal East Asian. The East Eurasian input among ANEs is said to be Tianyuan man-related. There were no East Asians 40.000 years ago, when Tianyuan man lived. "Mongoloid" traits appear 10.000 years later and are associated with haplogroups N and O that came from the south and replaced R. I know the following categories do not exist in population genetics but perhaps the ANE were just what their name suggests: North Eurasians. Something similar can be said about the AASI as being South Eurasians but I'm going out on a limb here and speak in highly speculative terms.

I have come across claims that the ANE looked "Amerindian" as if Native Americans remained phenotypically unchanged for 30.000+ years. No, the ANE didn't look "Amerindian" because they are the product of a later mix between just an ANE-derived population carrying haplogroup Q and East Asians.
 
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diverse 'east-asians' are just the more evolved and drifted (and some way crossed) followers of some of the 'east eurasians'. The same for others late pop's compared to their ancestral pop's. East-Asians as others are not born in a night. Some of their traits were born before the supposed "date of birth" given to them, and these traits have surely been common with ancient ANE pop's when others were not.

No opposition to you here. I agree too concerning the most of Amerindians. spite some of the Northamerindians could have stayed closer to old forms.
 
Nicu said:
This guy is 100% Irish in background

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Just to clarify, how do you know he is 100% Irish? Did you see a legitimate DNA test that revealed that he was 100% Irish? And, yes, he appears to be part Asian, and I have seen Germans who are quarter Japanese or Korean who resemble him.

So, if this actor is fully Irish, he definitely has a pseudo-East Asian appearance.
 
The epicanthic fold is a Mongoloid trait that was brought to Europe on several occasions (Uralics, Huns, Mongols, Tatars...). In this case I think that Barry Keoghan inherited the mutation(s) for the epicanthic fold from Viking ancestors who had Saami or Finnish admixture. Nowadays Finns and Saami have about 5 to 10% of East Asian autosomal DNA. They got it from N1c Neolithic farmers from northern China who moved across Siberia until the Volga region, then to Finland and Lapland. It's not uncommon to see eyes like this in Nordic countries (especially Sweden and Finland).

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Any East Eurasian admixture that might have arrived in Europe was heavily diluted before its arrival. I doubt that epicanthal folds in Europe are directly related to East Asians. They can be seen by among many African peoples as well, not just the Khoisan. I also wonder what some people mean when they say epicanthal folds. Some people have what is known as ptosis which are "hanging" eyelids which can be seen on older people. Those aren't epicanthal folds. But Barry Keoghan has the latter and I doubt you see great many people like that in Scandinavia.
 
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