Iron Age and Early Medieval Polish DNA

Mar_7. At least first Slav without much doubts here.

WestMed frequency probably biased. But it doesn't change results much.

K36

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.00
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 23.43
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 31.46
Fennoscandian 0.06

French 18.70
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.66
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.27
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 8.38


oracle-spreadsheet

First 20 Populations distance
1 Ukrainian_North_East 80,70
2 Ukrainian_Central 85,77
3 Ukrainian_Poltava 87,88
4 Slovak 89,92
5 Russian_Kursk 91,59
6 PL_South_Poland 96,22
7 PL_Upper_Silesia 96,22
8 Russian_Oryol 96,53
9 Russian_Center 97,34
10 Carpathian_Rusyns 97,39
11 Ukrainian_West 97,68
12 PL_average 98,66
13 Russian_Smolensk 99,14
14 Ukrainian_Chernigov 100,77
15 PL_Mazovia 101,02


nMonte

restricted
Ukrainian_North_East 87
IT_Sardinia 13
Russian_Kursk 0
Ukrainian_Central 0
Moksha 0
Russian_Pskov 0

full
Ukrainian_North_East 60.85
IT_Sardinia 13.95
Moksha 11.40
Russian_Kursk 6.20
Ukrainian_Central 4.90
Russian_Pskov 1.05
Ukrainian_Poltava 0.75
Bulgaria 0.25
Erzya 0.25
Serbian 0.15
Russian_Center 0.10
Russian_Smolensk 0.10
Slovak 0.05

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Ukrainian_North_East Ukrainian_Central Ukrainian_Poltava
28.40781 29.28682 29.64486
Slovak Russian_Kursk PL_South_Poland
29.98624 30.26425 31.01948
PL_Upper_Silesia Russian_Oryol
31.01975 31.07004

Admix4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,459469
2 Ukrainian_Central @ 29,339293
3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 29,697336
4 Slovak @ 30,038609
5 Russian_Kursk @ 30,319436
6 PL_South_Poland @ 31,071054
7 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 31,072267
8 Russian_Oryol @ 31,124764
9 Russian_Center @ 31,254703
10 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 31,257305
11 Ukrainian_West @ 31,309697
12 PL_average @ 31,462178
13 Russian_Smolensk @ 31,538691
14 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 31,797107
15 PL_Mazovia @ 31,833941
16 Moksha @ 32,031611
17 Moldavian @ 32,036561
18 Belarusian_East @ 32,080014
19 Russian_Tambov @ 32,112993
20 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 32,343811
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,459469
2 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,841808
3 Slovak+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,917943
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 28,965726
5 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,250329
6 Serbian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,321054
7 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 29,339293
8 Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,448796
9 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,466548
10 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 29,486067
11 Croatian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,500402
12 Slovak+Ukrainian_Central @ 29,511642
13 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,517055
14 PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,524795
15 West_Serbian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,560489
16 Slovak+Russian_Kursk @ 29,626743
17 Ukrainian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,632265
18 Moldavian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,635172
19 Serbian+Russian_Pskov @ 29,656256
20 Romania_SE+Ukrainian_North_East @ 29,679025
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Bulgaria +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,28299
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% IT_Sardinia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,313821
3 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Serbian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,332145
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% IT_Sardinia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 28,398127
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% South_Romania +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,398844
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Albania_Montenegro +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,421643
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Montenegro +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,42956
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% IT_Sardinia +25% Russian_Kursk @ 28,465179
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Romania_SE +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,475643
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Bosnian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,475938
11 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Macedonia_FYROM +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,501689
12 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% IT_Sardinia +25% Moksha @ 28,518899
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Gr_Eubea +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,533272
14 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% West_Serbian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,547913
15 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Bulgaria +25% Russian_Kursk @ 28,565801
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,566788
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Bulgaria +25% Moksha @ 28,569706
18 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Serbian +25% Moksha @ 28,578856
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Kosovo +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,59089
20 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,602864
18966360 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgaria+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,28299
2 IT_Sardinia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_E ast+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,313821
3 Serbian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+ Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,332145
4 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukr ainian_North_East @ 28,398127
5 South_Romania+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North _East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,398844
6 Albania_Montenegro+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_ North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,421643
7 Montenegro+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_Ea st+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,42956
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainia n_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,459469
9 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukr ainian_North_East @ 28,465179
10 Romania_SE+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_Ea st+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,475643
11 Bosnian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+ Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,475938
12 Macedonia_FYROM+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Nor th_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,501689
13 IT_Sardinia+Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_ North_East @ 28,518899
14 Gr_Eubea+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,533272
15 West_Serbian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_ East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,547913
16 Bulgaria+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrain ian_North_East @ 28,565801
17 Swiss_Italian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North _East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,566788
18 Bulgaria+Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Nor th_East @ 28,569706
19 Serbian+Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Nort h_East @ 28,578856
20 Kosovo+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+U krainian_North_East @ 28,59089
21 Slovak+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+U krainian_North_East @ 28,602864
22 Bulgaria+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Uk rainian_North_East @ 28,610697
23 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraini an_North_East @ 28,623485
24 Croatian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,627597
25 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_ North_East @ 28,629755
26 Bulgaria+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrain ian_North_East @ 28,631981
27 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_N orth_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,635925
28 Serbian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukr ainian_North_East @ 28,641482
29 IT_Sardinia+Moksha+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_E ast @ 28,650999
30 IT_Sardinia+Latvian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian _North_East @ 28,655533
31 Albania_Montenegro+Moksha+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukr ainian_North_East @ 28,656925
32 IT_Tuscany+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_Ea st+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,65738
33 Albania_Montenegro+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_North_E ast+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,662756
34 Moksha+Montenegro+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_N orth_East @ 28,682945
35 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainia n_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 28,683558
36 IT_Sardinia+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,686871
37 Albania_Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_E ast+Ukrainian_North_East @ 28,687653
38 Bulgaria+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East +Ukrainian_Poltava @ 28,688643
39 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_ North_East @ 28,694406
40 IT_Sardinia+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_ North_East @ 28,694457
540597876 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovak @ 6,725254
2 Austria @ 6,858821
3 Czechs_Moravians @ 6,938283
4 Slovenian @ 7,019197
5 Ukrainian_West @ 7,085939
6 Croatian @ 7,155005
7 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 7,249587
8 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 7,262995
9 German_East @ 7,276328
10 Hungary @ 7,381625
11 West_Serbian @ 7,386223
12 Romania_NW @ 7,420296
13 Serbian @ 7,420402
14 Montenegro @ 7,531517
15 Bosnian @ 7,538772
16 PL_South_Poland @ 7,683759
17 Romania_SE @ 7,777678
18 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 7,883126
19 Macedonia_FYROM @ 7,895253
20 South_Romania @ 8,016415
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Pskov @ 6,247863
2 France_Central+Russian_Pskov @ 6,314634
3 Swiss_Italian+Latvian @ 6,319281
4 France_Central+Latvian @ 6,370342
5 Swiss_Italian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,435817
6 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Kursk @ 6,466648
7 France_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,486163
8 Spain_Baleares+Russian_Pskov @ 6,494815
9 Austria_Tyrol+Russian_Pskov @ 6,498486
10 Swiss_Italian+PL_Mazovia @ 6,498604
11 France+Russian_Pskov @ 6,507121
12 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,513487
13 France_South+Russian_Pskov @ 6,520684
14 France_Central+Russian_Kursk @ 6,559061
15 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Center @ 6,561592
16 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian @ 6,564071
17 France_Central+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,565838
18 Austria_Tyrol+Latvian @ 6,583971
19 Spain_Valencia+Russian_Pskov @ 6,584093
20 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,584781
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,247863
2 50% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,276589
3 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,277087
4 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 6,284221
5 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Austria @ 6,288985
6 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Slovak @ 6,295705
7 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,30173
8 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,302908
9 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 6,307407
10 50% Russian_Pskov +25% IT_Sardinia +25% SE_England @ 6,310865
11 50% Russian_Pskov +25% IT_Sardinia +25% England_Cumberland @ 6,310865
12 50% France_Central +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,314634
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,318722
14 50% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian +25% Latvian @ 6,319281
15 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% France_Central @ 6,320374
16 50% PL_Upper_Silesia +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,328505
17 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_West @ 6,328816
18 50% France_Central +25% Latvian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,336579
19 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_average @ 6,337722
20 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swis
 
mtDNA

Kowalewko_55 U5b2a1a
Kowalewko_49 U3
Kowalewko_23 U3a
Kowalewko_57 U4
Kowalewko_45 H1e1a
Kowalewko_28 H5a
Kowalewko_22 H1a
Kowalewko_26 K
Kowalewko_29 K
Kowalewko_51 T2b6


Maslomecz_5 H16


Niemcza_34 HV0a
Niemcza_13 J1c3e1 lub J1b1a1
Niemcza_18 L3
Niemcza_19 K2c
Niemcza_32 T2


Markowice_7 Haplogroup J1c
 
Ok
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I'm not specialist. I only checked Eupedia...

K - s particularly common in Northwest Europe

H16: found primarily in Germanic countries and Poland, but also in India / found in the Neolithic Rössen culutre in Germany
H5a: found in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture
H1e: found throughout Europe, including among the Basques, and in Iran (Qashqai) / found in Neolithic Germany
H1a: found throughout Europe

HV0 - The highest percentages of haplogroup HV in Europe are observed in Calabria (10%), Sicily (5%), Tuscany (5%), Sardinia (4.5%), Bulgaria (4%), southern Belarus (4%), Croatia (3.5%), Ukraine (3.5%), Iceland (3.5%), Greece (3%), Cyprus (2.5%), and Romania (2.5%).

U5b2a: found in Epipaleolithic France and Neolithic Germany
U3 - rare in Europe, primarily a Near Eastern and Caucasian lineage
U4 - Generally speaking, U4 is more common in Baltic and Slavic countries and around the Caucasus than anywhere else.

T2- Haplogroup T2 peaks among the Udmurts (24%) and the Chechen-Ingush of Daghestan (12.5%). After that T2 is most frequently encountered in the Netherlands (12%), Sardinia (10%), Iceland (10%), Switzerland (9.5%), Hungary (8.5%) and Ukraine (8.5%), as well as among many ethnic groups around the Caucasus such as the Kumyks (10%), Azeri (9.5%) and Georgians (9%).
T2b - found at high frequencies throughout Europe (especially around the Alps) and at lower frequencies in North Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East

J1c3e : found in central and north-eastern Europe
J1b1a1 : found in western Europe
 
Goths didn't have time to mix with local population on their fast pace to the Black Sea.  IIRC, they marched from Baltic to Black Sea in about 150 years.

Very fast... you just get the proof that you have no idea about time.
Nothing strange, that you, and people similar to you couldn't understand
how much it is hundreds of thousands or millions of years, becasue you
all do not understand even how much it is 150 years.
 
Not exactly, these are samples taken from inhumation found surrounded by wielbark stuff. Due to custom of cremation of dead among Wilebark people these are unusual cases, but the easiest to be sampled. Probably they have been immigrants.
If this sample was buried, instead of cremated as local people did, and plotting with northern Germanics, it should mean that it was from migrating population of Goths.
 
For the "Goths" we need samples from Chernyakov culture where this people were recorded.Wielbark can be atributed to any people,it's free choice.Who recorded a Gothic migration from Wielbark to Chernyakov,let alone Scandinavia.Beatiful imagination but the Gothi/Getae were living in Chernyakov culture zone since written history exist.
 
For the "Goths" we need samples from Chernyakov culture where this people were recorded.Wielbark can be atributed to any people,it's free choice.Who recorded a Gothic migration from Wielbark to Chernyakov,let alone Scandinavia.Beatiful imagination but the Gothi/Getae were living in Chernyakov culture zone since written history exist.

The Getae are sometimes confused with the Goths in works of early medieval authors

Time to learn something new...
 
Actually I know this period very well and they weren't confused by their contemporaries,they precisely knew this people Gothi or Getae.The myth was maded by Romanticists that they were distinct and even Germanic instead Thracian, there is books also on the matter instead only wiki.
 
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Not necessarly, becasue at the time Goths arrived, Gets were vanished.
And depending on the dialect, Goths were spelling differently, in some
pronounciaction like Geats, what probably influenced Jordanian Getica.
He surely did not write about Gets, especially, that at his times Goths
were living since almost 200 years on the ex roman territory.

The vowel was very diverse: e, ea, au, ö, u, o etc.

It is also not exclude, that scandinavian and wielbark Goths
were not a part of some old Indoeuropean tribe, which splitted
across indoeuropean world, before division unto Germans and
the rest. We have such entites like: Getae in Romania, Mssageta
in Central Asia, Gutium in ancient Mesopotiamia with IE traces,
Tyssagetae in volgian Russia, some researchers also claim, that
Goths from Poland who later invaded Roman Enpire, has nthing to
do withn those from Scandia, and which are divaded themselves
on three separated groups.

Similar transIE situation has palce with other tribal entities - similar
to some celtic, germanic or slavic tribes which were present in totally
different places of slavic, germanic or celtic world at the same time
after they did spread across Europe. Similarly could be with IEs.
 
Similar transIE situation has palce with other tribal entities - similar
to some celtic, germanic or slavic tribes which were present in totally
different places of slavic, germanic or celtic world at the same time
after they did spread across Europe. Similarly could be with IEs.

I can agree that some IE ethnonyms were strangely popular and occured far away from each other.

Let's see:

1. Cimmerians from south Ukraine (Krym maybe after them), Cimbrians from Jutland, Sicambri (mythological Frankish ancestors), Cymru (Wales). Maybe biblical Gomer. Gimri in modern Georgian means hero.
I have read (forgot where) about theory that Cimmerians were pushed byt invading Scythians to Central Europe and carried Iron technology into what was later Hallstat Culture. They imposed themsleves as elite over those people. Some of them were Celts, some Germans later. And nobody knows who exactly were Cimmerians (proto-Thracians, Indo-Aryans?)

2. Venedians in Poland, in what is now Latvia, in Armorica, in what is now Switzerland (Vindelics), Asia Minor (Enetoi), in NE-Italy. Vendsysell in Jutland and Vandals also are included???

3. Some say Scots and Scythians are also similar.
 
I can agree that some IE ethnonyms were strangely popular and occured far away from each other.

Let's see:

1. Cimmerians from south Ukraine (Krym maybe after them), Cimbrians from Jutland, Sicambri (mythological Frankish ancestors), Cymru (Wales). Maybe biblical Gomer. Gimri in modern Georgian means hero.
I have read (forgot where) about theory that Cimmerians were pushed byt invading Scythians to Central Europe and carried Iron technology into what was later Hallstat Culture. They imposed themsleves as elite over those people. Some of them were Celts, some Germans later. And nobody knows who exactly were Cimmerians (proto-Thracians, Indo-Aryans?)

2. Venedians in Poland, in what is now Latvia, in Armorica, in what is now Switzerland (Vindelics), Asia Minor (Enetoi), in NE-Italy. Vendsysell in Jutland and Vandals also are included???

3. Some say Scots and Scythians are also similar.

Also Danes and Danaans but there's also the tribe Dan of Israel, so chance similarities may exist.

The thing with the Getae that makes it different for me is that they appear in the same regions and that various authors 'confuse' one for another quite often.
Also, 19th century German historians claimed everything they could have as 'Germanic' and we have inherited that tradition.
Basically questioning their germanicness isn't that important for me, but questioning the migration model is quite important because it isn't supported by anything.
 
I can agree that some IE ethnonyms were strangely popular and occured far away from each other.

Let's see:

1. Cimmerians from south Ukraine (Krym maybe after them), Cimbrians from Jutland, Sicambri (mythological Frankish ancestors), Cymru (Wales). Maybe biblical Gomer. Gimri in modern Georgian means hero.
I have read (forgot where) about theory that Cimmerians were pushed byt invading Scythians to Central Europe and carried Iron technology into what was later Hallstat Culture. They imposed themsleves as elite over those people. Some of them were Celts, some Germans later. And nobody knows who exactly were Cimmerians (proto-Thracians, Indo-Aryans?)

Yes, it is the most logical and coherent theory.
In that case they would be just proto R1b.

2. Venedians in Poland, in what is now Latvia, in Armorica, in what is now Switzerland (Vindelics), Asia Minor (Enetoi), in NE-Italy. Vendsysell in Jutland and Vandals also are included???

And probably Wyatycze (from Wętycze <= Wentycze)
maybe even some less recognizable forms like Vieleci
(Velety from venet?). Who knows. I wouldb't be surrprize
if it would be one of possible original IE names, or maybe
even the name created form the name of the patriarch.

3. Some say Scots and Scythians are also similar.

And Skolots, Scandia, Askanians (the ancient ones), Ask (first man in Norse mythology) Sk-l-av-in-s and similar.
Such names can be derived from the common patriarch, Askenaz (whi surely gave the name to the
Skythinas according to assyrian cunie tablets.
 
Also Danes and Danaans but there's also the tribe Dan of Israel, so chance similarities may exist.

The tribe of Dan certainly not, cause have surely different origin.

Danaans - all what is known about them is this, that they
were from Egypt, so even in the myth they were not IEs,
and according to the same story, died out in first generation.

If nordic Danes could be connected to anything,
then it is Tuatha de Dannan from Ireland.
 
The tribe of Dan certainly not, cause have surely different origin.

Danaans - all what is known about them is this, that they
were from Egypt, so even in the myth they were not IEs,
and according to the same story, died out in first generation.

If nordic Danes could be connected to anything,
then it is Tuatha de Dannan from Ireland.

Well, they say that there is a 'PIE' root *dan which means water or something, so theoretically one could use that to support an etymological relationship. In general etymologies of ethnonyms are quite often obscure, even the more accepted ones can be contested.
The point is chance similarities really exist but each case is different.
 
Proof that my mtDNA analysis using BAM Tool was good....

Here http://www.academia.edu/31963766/Han...%C3%B3w_1_.pdf
on page 70 Kowalewko_23 (PCA0028) has mtDNA U3a1a. In my analysis U3a... So it was only more detailed.

I really didn't know this sample was analyzed before!


So from Piontek I can add:

Markowice_1 (PCA0152) - U5a2b1c
Niemcza__28 (PCA0142) - T2b

Kowalewko
Kow_55 is I1
possible mtdna U5b2a1a

Kow_22 - G-P303
possible mtdna H1a

Kow_57 - G-L30
possible mtdna U4

Kow_45 - I2, I2: Z2631/PF3623+ Z2673/CTS12003/PF3846+,I-M436: L35/S150/PF3862+ S5818/FGC3530+I-L801: S12350/FGC3570+
possible mtdna H1e1a

possible females:
Kowalewko_49 U3
Kowalewko_23 U3a1a
Kowalewko_28 H5a
Kowalewko_26 K
Kowalewko_29 K
Kowalewko_51 T2b6

Markowice
Mar_7 - I1, probably I-Y3603
possible mtdna J1c

Masłomęcz
female probably:
Mas_5 H16

Niemcza
possible male:
Niemcza_13 J1c3e1 lub J1b1a1

possible females:
Niemcza_34 HV0a
Niemcza_19 K2c
Niemcza_32 T2

Legnica
possibly male:
H1b2 or H5a1c1
 
Did anyone upload the new samples on GEDMatch?
 
M070872 Kowalewko_22 looks reasonable
M218986 Kowalewsko_51 looks partly biased

M279138 Niemcza_18 ???

M518184 Mas_5 rather ok

T533353 mar7 looks very NE-Euro, rather ok?

T855386 Kow_26, biased but trend is very NW-Euro
 
M070872 Kowalewko_22 looks reasonable
M218986 Kowalewsko_51 looks partly biased

M279138 Niemcza_18 ???

M518184 Mas_5 rather ok

T533353 mar7 looks very NE-Euro, rather ok?

T855386 Kow_26, biased but trend is very NW-Euro

Thanks! But all of them look unreliable with so few SNPs... only rough estimate.
 
Thanks! But all of them look unreliable with so few SNPs... only rough estimate.
I agree. Rather poor quality samples. They roughly look Northern European but it is hard to say anything much precisely.
 

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