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Religion Is Christmas a Christian festival?

Tsuyoiko

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Do you celebrate Christmas? Why (not)?

I am an atheist, but I celebrate Christmas. Many of the traditions that we now associate with Christmas have their origins in earlier pagan festivals, such as Saturnalia. Aside from that, I think it's a nice excuse to spend time with family and friends, to let go and eat and drink whatever you like, and to relax without feeling guilty.

I think the connection between the festival we celebrate today (at least in the UK) and Christ's birthday is tenuous.
 
I am a Christian and I celebrate a rather traditional Christmas with lights, a tree, presents and way too much food. And even though Jesus was probably born in the spring, I take time to remember the whole reason for him coming down here to save us.
 
Given that only pagans celebrate Christmas traditions for the original reason, in the same way that no other birth of the myriad of self-proclaimed saviors or Messiahs outside of Christ is celebrated I guess the whole question is pretty much irrelevant to Christians today and harmless to the degree it doesn't detract from the true message of the season.
 
In my opinion it is a Christian Frestival (its certainly not a Jewish festival, if that's what you're getting at), and it is nice to hear so many people celebrating my Saviour's birth! :cool: :-)
 
No, it is not. It is a pagan festival overlaid with Christian idealogy to make Christianity acceptable to the pagans. Christmas tree, decorations and the yule logs have no connections within Christianity, but can all be found within pagan rituals. It was atached to Chtrists birth because the origins of christmas are to do with the solstice. Both deal with birth and regeneration.
 
sabro said:
I am a Christian and I celebrate a rather traditional Christmas with lights, a tree, presents and way too much food.
As I'm sure you know though Sabro, all of those things you mention are pre-Christian pagan traditions. 25th December was the birthday of the Persian sun god Mithra. The festival as we celebrate it today is virtually indistinguishable from the Roman festival of Saturnalia, which included decorating with evergreens and lights, exchanging presents and overeating.
 
I celebrate x-mas not for what it is supposed to be, nor for what it originally was, but for what it has become--an excuse to spend money with the side-effect of spending time with family..
 
...and the kids really really like it. (Both the Puritans and Quakers tried to ban it.)
 
Being with family is my favorite part of Christmas.

I'm starting to like the presents part, too. :p
 
A New Son (Sun) Is Born!

This may come as a shock to some believers in Christ, but I am not disparaging anyone's belief as we are all free, so far, to believe what we feel is the truth.

Both Mycernius and Tsuyoiko are correct in that the supposed birth of Christ on December 25 is definetly related to Pagen festivals and holidays. (It is presently widely believed that the actual "birth of Jesus", if it actually did occur, occured in the spring.) If you'll notice, since the advent of Christianity, Rome wanted to do away with the Pagan festivals and holidays that worshipped mother nature and the earth herself, and inserted their own holidays to coincide with the Pagen ones hoping to over ride the pagens' beliefs.

Unfortunately Rome suceeded in turning the tide of belief with its crusades giving presently approximately 1.6 billion people the yoke of Christianity.

Note that on December 21st, the winter solstice, is the longest day of the year and, according to pagan belief, is when the sun "dies" for three days before being re-born on the 25th when the earth begins to tilt downwards and the days become longer in the northern hemisphere. (Do the people of the southern hemisphere have a similar belief of a "Christ" being born on June 25th? Should be so.) Therefore, according to pagan belief, a new sun (son!) is born! Christ, as we are told, is the son of god born on the 25th of December. "A new son is born!"

If memory of past literature and Catholic upbringing serves me correct, Haloween (October 31st), the pagen festival of welcoming back the dead or paying reverence to them, (much like the Japanese festival of Obon, celebrated in August) [the welcoming back and paying hommage to one's deceased ancestors] is immediately followed by the Catholic holiday of "All Saints Day", paying hommage to the dead souls and saints, on November 1st. What a coincidence! (And I do not believe in "coincidences")

Look throughout Christian and Catholic holidays (holydays) and you'll see that they mostly coincide with pagan rituals, festivals, and holidays.

The story of the birth and life of Christ strangely coincides with not only the festival of Saturnalia, but also with the Babylonian (Sumerian) story of Bel, as well as Buddha, the Mexican Savior Quetzalcoatle, Adonis, the Syrian god Attis, the Phrygian god, and maybe 13 other gods in other civilizations. All were born of a virgin mother and were believed to have died and put to death for the sins of the world. All of these "gods", or sons of "god" were, strangely enough, born BEFORE the so-called birth of Christ and many were said to have been born on December 25th!

Is someone lying here or has Rome won the war started some 2,000 years ago in their trying to convince the world of a man called Christ who was born into this world of a virgin mother and died for the sins of mankind when so many others have been said to have done the same before him?

Why have there been so many similar stories of a "Christ" in ages previous to Christ? Why so many similar stories with the same lives as Christ?

To confirm what I have said above please refer to this link concerning the Affinity Between Paganism and Christianity which goes into more detail. Especially read the charts concerning Bal and Buddha as well as the story of Mithra and tell me there is no similarity to these much older stories and the story of Christ.

Which do you believe is true or are they all making up a story? There has to be truth here somewhere if anyone is willing to tackle it with an open mind to writings way before the supposed birth of Jesus.

In my opinion, based on these older writings, the Story of Jesus Christ, although such a named person may have lived, is nothing but a plagerism of much older ancient stories going way back before the "birth of Jesus" in order to enslave mankind into one, and only one belief that we are all sinners born into sin and the only way to reach salvation and save our souls from an eternity in hell and damnation is to accept the christian belief of the one and only savior, "our Lord Jesus Christ" and those that do not accept him are condemned to hell for all eternity. Give us your money, your land, your mind, your souls and we will save you through the one and only Lord, Jesus Christ.

Although I believed this rhetoric in the past, my own researech and readings have led me elsewhere. What say you?
 
I think Christmas is both Christian and non-Christian festival - obviously non-Christian in its 'pagan' origins, links to winter solstice etc. and many traditions practiced now were taken from these origins and Christian symbolism put onto them, as people have already said in this thread.

Also of course it's the Christian celebration of the birth of Jesus (also celebrated by some people of other religions - my non-extreme-Muslim relatives for example - who respect Jesus as an important prophet). And although the 'pagan' parts of the festival are older, the Christian elements of the Christmas festival have, I think, been going for long enough that IMO we can say the festival could be celebrated in either sense depending on your religion.

And, people with no religion can still enjoy the benefits of a holiday, a chance to give and receive presents and the opportunity of spending some time with family and friends. So, a bit of everything really. :p
 
I guess everything I was going to say was said already...Heh...
 
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Mycernius said:
No, it is not. It is a pagan festival overlaid with Christian idealogy to make Christianity acceptable to the pagans. Christmas tree, decorations and the yule logs have no connections within Christianity, but can all be found within pagan rituals. It was atached to Chtrists birth because the origins of christmas are to do with the solstice. Both deal with birth and regeneration.

:happy: You have won the biggest prize! Knowledge!!!!! :cool: :win:

Now if christians would only read books other than christian propaganda life would be great!
 
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