Korea nonsense

[hope]

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I think you misunderstood me because I made a grammatical error, sorry. It should be: "sanctioned/bombed or not ..how can we tell?" instead of "sanctioned or bombed ..how can we tell?"

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To be honest ElHorsto if you made an error, I did not notice. I understood what you meant. This is why I said I would imagine they did not want bombed. After all, who would want such a thing?...None of us I`m sure.

Sure, and I responded that I think this is not enough information. I strongly believe that something important is missing."

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Such as ...?

Regime change? In my opinion yes, because I this is the only thinkable goal of the sanctions, even if leading to escalation"

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Well I hope not...I wonder how China might feel about that?


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They try to extort trade opportunities and advantages by showing their weapons, this is the only explanation that makes sense to me. Hopefully this is not the dead end already where nobody can retreat without losing his face"

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I agree with you on both points here. I have often felt, and I`m sure not only me, that this is how North Korea works to gain attention. Again I also hope they do not take it so far as to be unable to step back.

[/QUOTE].. It seems like the ability of the regime and the people to stay stubborn, isolated and eventually become a nuclear power was ignored the whole time. [/QUOTE]....

I wonder if the people have much say in this.

 

[ElHorsto]

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To be honest ElHorsto if you made an error, I did not notice. I understood what you meant. This is why I said I would imagine they did not want bombed. After all, who would want such a thing?...None of us I`m sure.

Hmm, I meant both as examples, bombed or sanctioned. For simplicity let's stick to sanctioned only because war did not happen yet. So my question was basically, whether sanctions are appropriate care when being concerned about the people's life? Because in contrast I issued before my opinion that it would have been better to not care at all.

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Such as ...?

Information about the goals (we speculated: reducing sanctions, trade, attentions). There should be statements from North Korean officials.

I wonder if the people have much say in this.

Whether they have a say or not, they seemingly comply, for whatever reasons. We as westerners probably also can not understand all reasons completely. However, without the compliance of the people, the regime would not last, this is what I mean.

 

[nordicwarrior]

I think communism and fascism can look very similar during peace time, despite having opposing goals. Economic crisis always embrace such symptomps, more-or less. As for alternative media, Gerald Celente claims that technically the kind of bank-state merging is fascist by the definition of Mussolini, not socialist as commonly believed. On the other hand, the unwanted Obama health-care reform is probably socialist, as far as I can judge. It ts unwanted by the majority of US-people, as far as I understood.

The contributors to this site never fail to impress... it's great that you know about Gerald Celente, ElHorsto (especially considering that you're in Germany). I've been following him for years.

You're correct in the Communism and Fascism comparison. This sea-change has elements of both, and neither concept is helpful to the small business owner. I simplified earlier because frankly I didn't think the audience would be attuned to the differences that we're being subjected to here in America.

I stopped reading Zerohedge about a year ago because I could predict in advance what almost every author had to say... Gerald is fun to listen to but even he gets a tad one-note. When he's being interviewed I try to listen for the first "white shoe boys" reference before moving on.

P.S. Everytime I hear a "investment expert" on one of the financial cable news networks mention that they spent time working for Goldman Sachs, I now picture them wearing white shoes! Needless to say I'm not a big fan of Goldman.

 

[ElHorsto]

I don't follow Celente regularly, but from time-to-time I like to hear what he is saying. I think he is basically ok, but I try to stay critical also towards alternative media as well as towards any other media in general. Germany also has its own alternative media, which is partially excellent and partially misleading nonsense. I heard of zerohedge, but don't remember when I visited it last time.

The contributors to this site never fail to impress... it's great that you know about Gerald Celente, ElHorsto (especially considering that you're in Germany). I've been following him for years.

You're correct in the Communism and Fascism comparison. This sea-change has elements of both, and neither concept is helpful to the small business owner. I simplified earlier because frankly I didn't think the audience would be attuned to the differences that we're being subjected to here in America.

I stopped reading Zerohedge about a year ago because I could predict in advance what almost every author had to say... Gerald is fun to listen to but even he gets a tad one-note. When he's being interviewed I try to listen for the first "white shoe boys" reference before moving on.

P.S. Everytime I hear a "investment expert" on one of the financial cable news networks mention that they spent time working for Goldman Sachs, I now picture them wearing white shoes! Needless to say I'm not a big fan of Goldman.

 

[nordicwarrior]

This from the Atlantic Wire this morning-- an update on Dennis Rodman and North Korea:

"Wearing a white fedora on his head and a drag queen on his arm... "I'm going back on August 1... We have no plans really, as far as what we're going to do over there, but we'll just hang and have some fun!'"

Why do we even need Jon Kerry when we have Dennis Rodman on the roster? W.A.S.F.

 

[ElHorsto]

Yep, and Kerry actually travelled to Bejing. According to Marc Faber, NK does not even act on its own primarily, they can't even build bicycles. It could be rather China in the background. The show otherwise really makes no sense to me as well.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Has anyone here ever travelled to N. Korea?

 

[LeBrok]

Has anyone here ever travelled to N. Korea?

You won't get visa. Visa's are only granted in special cases, as it fits the regime's agenda.