Let's talk about the election results

[Maciamo]

Btw, I invite you to compare the election results with the GSP (Gross State Product) per employee Map. It fits quite well, with 9 out 10 highest GSP/capita states voting for the Democrats (the exception being Alaska). Equally interesting, 18 out of the 21 lowest GSP/capita voted for Bush (the 3 odd ones being the almost Canadian states of Wisconsin, Vermonet and Maine ).

NB : you have to select "Unit of Measure" = per employee, and click on "Draw".

If New England, New York, New Jersey, Pensilvania, Maryland, Delaware and D.C. formed an independent state, it would account for 24,6% of the USA's GDP.

If California, Oregon, Washigton and Hawaii formed their owned country, they would withdraw 17,2% from the USA's GDP (13,4% only for California).

Add to this Minesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Illinois (altogether 11,5% of US GDP) and the Democratic states would account for 63,3% of the current US's GDP. So, even if in term of electoral votes, these 20 states represent less than half the US, in terms of GDP, they account for almost 2/3 (which of course means the GDP/capita is much higher than in the 30 Bushist states).

If we consider that Texas, Florida, Georgia and Ohio make up 19% of the US GDP, that leaves the remaining 26 states only 17,7% of the GDP. And note that results were quite tight in Ohio and Florida (even Texas compared to other Republican states).

Why should the richer states be governed by the will of the poorest, least populated states, just because the electoral system gives them a higher proportional weight ? Why should the richer, more educated American of the big cities by governed by a minority a country people whose only advantadge is to occupy a bigger landmass ? That is exactly what happened now and in 2000. How comes Democratic American do not rebel and leave this 17,7% care about themselves with Bush as their leader ? That wouldn't be the first time a country split in two (or more) because the richest part didn't want to pay the taxes to support the poorer. And in this case this richer part is even governed by the poorer ! How comes nobody feels more strongly about this blatant injustice ?

 

[RockLee]

It's so sad...like almost WHOLE Europe wouldn't want Bush to be re-elected either...doesn't that count for something? I think the americans have been brainwashed by that ***** a little too much...tis sad :worried:

 

[Fantt]

How comes nobody feels more strongly about this blatant injustice ?

It's our system, and this time it looks like there weren't any major screw-ups. The majority of people voted for Bush for president. I don't like the results this time, but it's the way that our leaders get elected in this country.

I don't see any major injustice - just people voting the way they think they ought to. The majority will hopefully get what they asked for, and we'll see how things go in 2008.

 

[Kamisama]

The only solution I see is for the states from Illinois to Maine to join Canada and for California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii to create an indepedent state (or also join Canada).

That's actually not a bad idea, seeing as how everyone is a fool down South. I think it was pretty much the Bin Laden tape that tipped people in an instant to vote for Bush. People say he's more of a warrior, incase America gets attacked. I really doubt that will happen. If we get nuked our allies would nuke the nuker.​

These past years have been ridiculous. I would also like to say that a lot of people don't even understand government at all. They think the president controls the money. No. He doesn't. But since everything is republican like Fantt said, they are able to do whatever they want now.​

better see a $1k raise on E-1's salary (military rank). Or else give officers a better food allowance. Food allowance is so low for officers but not enlisted.​

The whole disturbing thing that got me was that the people in the military wanted bush to be elected, according to usmilitary.about.com. What bothered me even more were people who never wanted to be in the military/are/were never in it, and yet still wanted to vote for Bush. The irony is that people are staying in the military because jobs out here suck and people are joining the military because jobs out here suck. Voting for bush isn't going to stop that.​

 

[Fantt]

It's so sad...like almost WHOLE Europe wouldn't want Bush to be re-elected either...doesn't that count for something?

The thing for Europe to do is to show that a humanistic constitution and "liberal" values can create a very strong and prosperous country. Europe needs to show that a Superpower doesn't have to be big and arrogant and aggresive to be powerful. Europe is an excellent foil for the United States.

 

[No-name]

Kerry conceded. No lawsuits, no whining. (although I'm certain we haven't heard the end of this yet)

Also note that Gore conceded four years ago and was very gracious. (lawsuits followed later)

 

[Elizabeth]

The thing for Europe to do is to show that a humanistic constitution and "liberal" values can create a very strong and prosperous country. Europe needs to show that a Superpower doesn't have to be big and arrogant and aggresive to be powerful. Europe is an excellent foil for the United States.

I don't want the US to adopt European quasi-socialist economic and health care policies, only to get back to where it was pre-Bush, four short years ago.

 

[Fantt]

I don't really want that either, but I would like to see Europe become stronger and show that their economic systems aren't all that inferior to our own.

 

[Elizabeth]

To be taken fully respected as an equal, Europe is also going to have to show it's better organized for initiating military action when the situation arises (such as the first Gulf War) -- not only as willing participants but as true defenders of freedom, human rights and all the rest.

 

[ippolito]

US citizen has choosed Bush....
I consider a dangerous act as he did not anything to resolve the palestinians
problems..as Clinton did.....all the problems have originin from this eternal war between israel and palestina.....it is a chain....islamic are defending the palestina
and us israel....Bush has behind him the jewish economical power.....
you (amricans) risk that all this wars will be a never ending story

 

[kirei_na_me]

Not all of us voted for him...

 

[Hachiko]

I also had a feeling Bush was going to win this election, too. My hope now is that Bush pull shis troops from Iraq and end this war on terror as quickly as possible.

 

[Fantt]

US citizen has choosed Bush....
I consider a dangerous act as he did not anything to resolve the palestinians
problems..as Clinton did.....all the problems have originin from this eternal war between israel and palestina.....it is a chain....islamic are defending the palestina
and us israel....Bush has behind him the jewish economical power.....
you (amricans) risk that all this wars will be a never ending story

Flying airplanes into the World Trade Center towers was not an act in defense of Palestine. Suicide bombing of Israeli buses full of children is not an act of defense. Sending children out as suicide bombers is not defending your country.

I certainly won't defend Israel, but terrorism should never, ever be accepted as a valid form of warfare. If the Palestinians want more sympathy they need to finally give up terrorism. If all of Palestine today began a non-violent civil disobediance struggle against Israel, the entire world would come to their rescue. It's one thing for the Israelis to repsond to terrorism with force, it would be something else entirely for them to gun down unarmed non-violent crowds of protestors.

Until both sides learn to tolerate each other, there will be no peace, regardless of what anyone in the United States says or does.

 

[blade_bltz]

New England, New York, and the entire West coast should join up with Canada.

 

[zeroyon]

Flying airplanes into the World Trade Center towers was not an act in defense of Palestine. Suicide bombing of Israeli buses full of children is not an act of defense. Sending children out as suicide bombers is not defending your country.

I certainly won't defend Israel, but terrorism should never, ever be accepted as a valid form of warfare. If the Palestinians want more sympathy they need to finally give up terrorism. If all of Palestine today began a non-violent civil disobediance struggle against Israel, the entire world would come to their rescue. It's one thing for the Israelis to repsond to terrorism with force, it would be something else entirely for them to gun down unarmed non-violent crowds of protestors.

Until both sides learn to tolerate each other, there will be no peace, regardless of what anyone in the United States says or does.

Well said.

Also... what does japan think about the election results? Are they generally unhappy like the whole of europe, or are they happy? I know that Kerry wanted to break off multi-lateral talks with North Korea, meaning if Kerry was elected then Japan would have been left out in discussions with North Korea. Theres also the Kyoto accord and other stuff too though...

What does the general Japanese population think about having Bush be re-elected? Yay or nay? :?

 

[Duo]

I dunno, this stuff is pretty nuts, but simple i'd say

Bush stole the election in 2000, and now won this one because the neo-cons manipulated the public in beleiving that there is this huge network of hidden terrorist cells that are just waiting in their hide outs to strike at the world and at the USA, and only he, Bush, and this administration knew the antidode to this vermin : raw US military power. Hell, if heard that day and day again, it becomes like the big lie, and sure as hell I would beleive that there is an evil empire with this super duper evil genious as its commander out to get me, and hell, I would be happy to see that we be kiking their ass, instead of them ataking us

simple

 

[Lina Inverse]

It's very sad that there are apparently not enough sane people left in the US kashii:
But if they think watching the deficit reaching new record heights is fun...
What's next? Attacking some more Far East countries just for fun? After outlawing homo marriage, outlawing homosexuality in general and interning them in concentration camps? kashii:
I'm glad I only see the US going down the drain from far away. :haihai:

 

[december]

I'm so very disappointed. Republicans have full control... ugh... apparently, Americans are just idiots. Well, the majority anyway.

I'm moving to Canada.

 

[Duo]

I'm glad I only see the US going down the drain from far away. :haihai:

That's bad
Europe needs a strong America for trade benefits. If US goes weak and bad, the world will be affected because there is not yet onother power to fill its shoes. Besides, it's sad to see such a great country co gown the drain from the ignorance and interests of a small corrupt, spinless, greedy, and immoral elite

Lousy neo-cons kashii: kashii:

 

[King of Tokyo]

[I was going to rant for a really long time on Bush winning, but I've already done it on countless other forums, so I'm tired.. Instead I'll talk about something I noticed..]

It is funny that mikecash stands as pretty much the only Bush supporter in this thread. And yet *gasp* What is this? He doesn't even live in The United States. You won't have to pay for Bush's mistakes, so it is easy for you to support Bush. You are there in Japan as a man who won't have to deal with it if Bush pisses off the wrong people and they decided to pay America back, and you, who won't have the chance of your son being drafted to an unjustified war, so it is all good for you, meanwhile Americans have to deal with it. I am too close to America to be happy with Bush for another four years.. He is going to run America into the ground. If you desire leadership such as Bush's why don't you return to America?

(That aside I totally respect and like mikecash.. He's a smart guy.. Just don't agree on this particular view)

Oh and for the record, Bush won because he captured all the hick states like Nebraska, Alabama etc.. I mean honestly, who cares about NEBRASKA or ALABAMA? Other than the people who live there. (Just kidding, but really, Nebraska is lame). Kerry won all the civilized and educated states like New York, California, Massachussets, Illinois. Bush got lucky this time.. And now we're going to pay for it.