hrvclv
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The Ligures seem to have spoken an IE language, if we are to depend on their toponymy and anthroponymy.
They are described by ancient sources as much more "primitive" than the Gaulish Celts - though they are sometimes reported to have been "Celts" themselves. They seem to have called themselves Ambrones, which was the name of a few other Celtic tribes - one of them situated in Northern Italy.
They were subdued - assimilated or partially wiped out - when the La Tene Celts arrived. As if the newcomers did not consider them to be "insiders". In other words, they stand somewhere half-way, both in and out of the Celtic world.
They might have been an early (pre-)Celtic pre-iron branch of newcomers to western Europe. The same goes for the Lusitanians. An early split from the Celts stationed in Bavaria / Bohemia might have something to do with the Q-Celtic / P-Celtic partition.
I was wondering whether any of you confirmed geneticists had any data about ancient DNA from the ancient Ligurian area - data that might point to (or disprove) an early Celtic migration from central Europe (say, the early Halstatt culture) at some point in time during the second millenium BC.
I've searched the forum for clues but haven't found anything on that question so far. If there is any already-existing thread on this, please let me know.
They are described by ancient sources as much more "primitive" than the Gaulish Celts - though they are sometimes reported to have been "Celts" themselves. They seem to have called themselves Ambrones, which was the name of a few other Celtic tribes - one of them situated in Northern Italy.
They were subdued - assimilated or partially wiped out - when the La Tene Celts arrived. As if the newcomers did not consider them to be "insiders". In other words, they stand somewhere half-way, both in and out of the Celtic world.
They might have been an early (pre-)Celtic pre-iron branch of newcomers to western Europe. The same goes for the Lusitanians. An early split from the Celts stationed in Bavaria / Bohemia might have something to do with the Q-Celtic / P-Celtic partition.
I was wondering whether any of you confirmed geneticists had any data about ancient DNA from the ancient Ligurian area - data that might point to (or disprove) an early Celtic migration from central Europe (say, the early Halstatt culture) at some point in time during the second millenium BC.
I've searched the forum for clues but haven't found anything on that question so far. If there is any already-existing thread on this, please let me know.