Mobility in the Iron Age Central Mediterranean (Moots et al. 2023)

There's far too much elevation of PCAs for analysis in the amateur community imo. They have their uses, but capture a very small amount of variation. Admixture is superior, and qpAdm is even better.
 
from somewhere in the net ;-)

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kingjohn said:
from somewhere in the net ;-)

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More exact classification for those two European Ys downstream of Cetina/Dinaric (courtesy of Flor Veseli):

ID R11751 728.5-409.5 calBCE J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240>PH1602 Z584+, Z38240+, PH1601+, Y130866-, Y86930-, Y39237-, Y103474-, Y91418-

ID R11753 656-405.5 calBCE J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240 Z584+, Z38240+, FT75472-, Y86930-, BY161402-, BY162716-

Likely spread via some mainland Italian (or islands) intermediary after their initial EBA Cetina expansion.
 
I've got one close match from Tarquinia from the Late Republican period (157.5 calBCE - 44.5 calBCE). It's my second best match from ancient Italy so far. All my closest matches are Etruscan (all dating from the time of the Roman Republic).


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Maciamo[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3BFF00, align: right"]1.74845646[/TD]
[TD]C.Italy_Etruscan.Ceu:Vetulonia(Grosseto_Tuscany)_360-200BCE:VET005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BCFF00, align: right"]5.53126568[/TD]
[TD]R10342_Italy_bc-Tarquinia_Monterozzi_155-45BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD600, align: right"]8.70564185[/TD]
[TD]C.Italy_Etruscan.Ceu:CampigliadeiFoci(Siena_Tuscany)_770-520BCE:CAM002[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAB00, align: right"]9.96656912[/TD]
[TD]C.Italy_Etruscan_related:Casenovole(Grosseto_Tuscany)_380-204BCE[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
I found this publication: The South Etruscan Cipus Inscriptions. It provides details about the owners of the Etruscan tombs whose DNA was tested by Moots et al. and in other papers.

The Moots paper gives the tomb number for several samples in the supplementary tables. Here are the tomb numbers corresponding to the IA Etruscan samples.

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 800"]
[TR]
[TD]Sample ID[/TD]
[TD]Culture[/TD]
[TD]Location[/TD]
[TD]Age[/TD]
[TD]mtDNA[/TD]
[TD]Y-DNA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Tomb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10359[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]366.5 calBCE - 200.5 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]J1c3[/TD]
[TD]--[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6126[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10363[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]389 calBCE - 207 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]T2b+150[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b-CTS2100[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6139[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10337[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]150.5 calBCE - 3 calCE[/TD]
[TD]R0a[/TD]
[TD]R2a-L266[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6176[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10339[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]160 calBCE - 49 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]H1e[/TD]
[TD]R1b-P311[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6176[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10341[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]160 calBCE - 49 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]H2a2a1[/TD]
[TD]J1a-CTS5368[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6176[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10342[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]157.5 calBCE - 44.5 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]K1a4g[/TD]
[TD]R1b-M269[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6176[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10344[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]759 calBCE - 538 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]J1c3[/TD]
[TD]R1b-P312[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6242[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

The problem is that I don't know whether the tomb numbers correspond to the "Inv. No. RC" or to the "CIE" or "CIL" number (Clusian inscriptions) in the publication - or something else entirely.

I was able to find 6176, which correspond to the inscription Cornelia Sp(uri) f(ilia). If this matches tomb 6176 that would be amazing as this tomb belong to the gens Cornelia.

CIE 6126 corresponds to Lartia Maduia, a typical Etruscan name.

CIE 6139 corresponds to L(ucius) Manli L(uci) l(ibertus) Aristo (a freed slave of the gens Manlia).

CIE 6242 corresponds to M(arcus) Amerite C(ai) f(ilius). The name Amerite does not sound Roman at all.
 
Maciamo said:
I found this publication: The South Etruscan Cipus Inscriptions. It provides details about the owners of the Etruscan tombs whose DNA was tested by Moots et al. and in other papers.

The Moots paper gives the tomb number for several samples in the supplementary tables. Here are the tomb numbers corresponding to the IA Etruscan samples.

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 800"]
[TR]
[TD]Sample ID[/TD]
[TD]Culture[/TD]
[TD]Location[/TD]
[TD]Age[/TD]
[TD]mtDNA[/TD]
[TD]Y-DNA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Tomb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10359[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]366.5 calBCE - 200.5 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]J1c3[/TD]
[TD]--[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6126[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10363[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]389 calBCE - 207 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]T2b+150[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b-CTS2100[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6139[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10337[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]150.5 calBCE - 3 calCE[/TD]
[TD]R0a[/TD]
[TD]R2a-L266[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6176
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10339[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]160 calBCE - 49 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]H1e[/TD]
[TD]R1b-P311[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6176[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10341[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]160 calBCE - 49 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]H2a2a1[/TD]
[TD]J1a-CTS5368[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6176[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10342[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]157.5 calBCE - 44.5 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]K1a4g[/TD]
[TD]R1b-M269[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6176[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10344[/TD]
[TD]Central Italy Iron Age[/TD]
[TD]Tarquinia Monterozzi[/TD]
[TD]759 calBCE - 538 calBCE[/TD]
[TD]J1c3[/TD]
[TD]R1b-P312[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6242[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

The problem is that I don't know whether the tomb numbers correspond to the "Inv. No. RC" or to the "CIE" or "CIL" number (Clusian inscriptions) in the publication - or something else entirely.

I was able to find 6176, which correspond to the inscription Cornelia Sp(uri) f(ilia). If this matches tomb 6176 that would be amazing as this tomb belong to the gens Cornelia.

CIE 6126 corresponds to Lartia Maduia, a typical Etruscan name.

CIE 6139 corresponds to L(ucius) Manli L(uci) l(ibertus) Aristo (a freed slave of the gens Manlia).

CIE 6242 corresponds to M(arcus) Amerite C(ai) f(ilius). The name Amerite does not sound Roman at all.
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Maciamo, I have my doubts that those inscriptions correspond to the graves. I'll take a closer look tomorrow.


CIE 6126 is the number of the inscription in the Corpus Inscriptionum Etruscarum, CIE. I don't think it is the number of the tomb, which will instead be contained in some archaeological, non-linguistic register.

inv. no. RC could be the inventory number at the Archaeological Museum of Tarquinia.

CIL stands most likely for Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum.
 
Maciamo said:
I was able to find 6176, which correspond to the inscription Cornelia Sp(uri) f(ilia). If this matches tomb 6176 that would be amazing as this tomb belong to the gens Cornelia.
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Do you mean R2a-L266 sample? So it belongs to the Roman elites?
 
I sent the link to the bam files
from this paper to theytree
Hope they will upload them;-)
 
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we should expect in the future
some dna from late antiquity carthage
150 samples from 5-7th century

From the EAA 2023 Abstract book:

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