Moots: Ancient Rome Paper

[Angela]

Majority J2a-M410 in various subclades, and some J2b-L283 and some J2b-M205.

However, nevertheless, according to this study Imperial Romans had over 50 % of J haplogroups. Of course various subclades and various origins but still..



[TABLE="width: 1194"]
[TR]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]PF5008>L581*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>Y5014>M319[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]5345-5221 BCE[/TD]
[TD]J-S11842* Y15913- Z6271-[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842*[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]R68 J-Y13534* Y23159- Y14696-[/TD]
[TD]L25>F3133>Z7706>Y13534[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]55-211 CE[/TD]
[TD]R-Z30677[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z7671>CTS900>Z7661>Y3020>Y11200>Z30677[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]J-Z6264* Z28602-[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>Y6240>PF7394>Z6264*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1600-1700 CE[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>Y6240>PF7394[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]J-PH672 Y150774-[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>M92>Z508>Z504>PF7412>Z515>PH672*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]J-Z6271[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842>Z6271[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]J-Y47649[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5160>PF5197>PF5172>Y154816>Y47649*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]300-500 CE[/TD]
[TD]J-Z40772 FGC58752-[/TD]
[TD]L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435>Z2148>CTS3601>PF5456>Y24651>Z40772*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435>Z2148>Z2177>PH185>FGC32147[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1600-1700 CE[/TD]
[TD]J-Z435[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5160>L24>Y22662>L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435*[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2b1[/TD]
[TD]771-947 CE[/TD]
[TD]J-PF7321 Y45447- YP51- FT45018- Y134194- Y22037-[/TD]
[TD]M205>PF7321*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2b1[/TD]
[TD]135-244 CE[/TD]
[TD]J-Y134194[/TD]
[TD]M205>PF7321>Y134194[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]700-600 BCE[/TD]
[TD]J-CTS6190[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Y15058>Z38240>CTS6190[/TD]
[TD]Etruscan_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Z638>Z1297>Z1295>Z8421>Z631[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Z638>Z1297>Y27522>Y23094*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

And your point is?

Something wrong with yDna J2, whether J2b or J2a?

If one could make accurate predictions from maps of modern frequencies it looks to me like either an arrival through Greece and the area around Albania or directly from places like Crete, Cyprus, or Asia Minor. They might have gone directly to Rome or after some hundreds of years in Southern Italy.

My question was whether you have any pertinent information of where those subclades each are most frequent and when they might have arrived, i.e. the dating. For example, how about Crete? The Peloponnesus? Coastal Anatolia?

That's what we're trying to do, yes? Figure out how all of the migrations which make up Europeans occurred?

 

[Dema]

And your point is? Something wrong with yDna J2, whether J2b or J2a?

Absolutely not, as you see i am J haplogroup myself, when i say Imperial Romans had over 50 % of J haplogroup, its a fact that i am proud on : )

If one could make accurate predictions from maps of modern frequencies it looks to me like either an arrival through Greece and the area around Albania or directly from places like Crete, Cyprus, or Asia Minor.

My question was whether you have any pertinent information of where those subclades each are most frequent and when they might have arrived, i.e. the dating.

That's what we're trying to do, yes? Figure out how all of the migrations which make up Europeans occurred?

Each of these can be checked in Yfull where modern samples are found today and TMRCA and upward genetic tree can be seen.
Most of these have already Yfull link included. As it can be seen J2a-M410 is in various branches and its a mess to try to make a sense out of all of them even tho its not that hard if anyone has free time.
While J2b-M205 and J2b-L283 have lower TMRCA therefore we can look at them as branches that expanded from same place. J2b-L283 most likely picked up by Bronze Age Indo-Europeans somewhere in North Caucasus and spread throughout Europe while J2-M205 had Bronze Age Fertile Crescent expansion therefore likely arrived thru Phoenicians or later Roman Empire.

 

[Angela]

Absolutely not, as you see i am J haplogroup myself, when i say Imperial Romans had over 50 % of J haplogroup, its a fact that i am proud on : )





Each of these can be checked in Yfull where modern samples are found today and TMRCA and upward genetic tree can be seen.
Most of these have already Yfull link included. As it can be seen J2a-M410 is in various branches and its a mess to try to make a sense out of all of them even tho its not that hard if anyone has free time.
While J2b-M205 and J2b-L283 have lower TMRCA therefore we can look at them as one branch from same origin. J2b-L283 most likely picked up by Indo-Europeans and spread throughout Europe while J2-M205 had Bronze Age Fertile Crescent expansion therefore likely arrived thru Phoenicians or later Roman Empire.

My husband is G2a2. I wish he'd get it further refined, but he's not interested enough. He just wants the highlights!

 

[Dema]

My husband is G2a2. I wish he'd get it further refined, but he's not interested enough. He just wants the highlights!

Here is situation within G2a:


[TABLE="width: 1194"]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]5607-5485 BCE[/TD]
[TD]G-Z42565[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z42565[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1070-1150 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-Z6228[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-Z6228[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]G-PF3378[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>PF3378[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]2950-2880 BCE[/TD]
[TD]pre-G-F807[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>F2572>F2214>pre-F807[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-L14* Z45043- FGC5185-[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>FGC5089>FGC5081>L14*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]232-333 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-S9591[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>PF3293>PF3316>Z6029>S9591[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-P303[/TD]
[TD]P303*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-L140 PF3346- (Z31254- Z31256- Z3125[/TD]
[TD]P303>L140*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]136-326 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-Z6434* (Z3571- FGC295- Z6993- Z6994- Z6996-)[/TD]
[TD]CTS342>Z724>Z1903>CTS7045>Z3408>Z3428>YP4752>Z6434[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]pre-G-Z6764[/TD]
[TD]U1>L13>Z2022>Z6759>pre-Z6764[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-S2808 S23438- Y31000- S18765-[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-S2808 S23438- Y31000- S18765-[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-S18765[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808>S23438>S18765[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Angela]

Here is situation within G2a:


[TABLE="width: 1194"]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]5607-5485 BCE[/TD]
[TD]G-Z42565[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z42565[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1070-1150 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-Z6228[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-Z6228[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]G-PF3378[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>PF3378[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]2950-2880 BCE[/TD]
[TD]pre-G-F807[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>F2572>F2214>pre-F807[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-L14* Z45043- FGC5185-[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>FGC5089>FGC5081>L14*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]232-333 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-S9591[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>PF3293>PF3316>Z6029>S9591[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-P303[/TD]
[TD]P303*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-L140 PF3346- (Z31254- Z31256- Z3125[/TD]
[TD]P303>L140*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]136-326 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-Z6434* (Z3571- FGC295- Z6993- Z6994- Z6996-)[/TD]
[TD]CTS342>Z724>Z1903>CTS7045>Z3408>Z3428>YP4752>Z6434[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]pre-G-Z6764[/TD]
[TD]U1>L13>Z2022>Z6759>pre-Z6764[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-S2808 S23438- Y31000- S18765-[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-S2808 S23438- Y31000- S18765-[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]G-S18765[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808>S23438>S18765[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Thanks, Dema.

Now, if I could just get him to test it with FTDNA or something.

He likes the idea it could be an original Neolithic lineage in Italy, I think. Actually, the first thing he asked was if anybody famous carried it. I told him Stalin was G2a, but not G2a2. He wouldn't have been happy to share Stalin's clade, although I'm sure there are a lot of wonderful men who carry that particular lineage.

As you can tell, I'm the only one in my family who has any real interest in population genetics.

It took forever to find out my Dad carried U-152.

I'm afraid I don't have very much interest in my own U2e mtDna. It's so old and so spread all over the world that it's hard to identify with it. Plus, it accounts for so little of my total genetic make-up.

Well, I care about the health implications bound up with mtDna, but not from an "identification" standpoint.

 

[Dema]

Thanks, Dema.

Now, if I could just get him to test it with FTDNA or something.

He likes the idea it could be an original Neolithic lineage in Italy, I think. Actually, the first thing he asked was if anybody famous carried it. I told him Stalin was G2a, but not G2a2. He wouldn't have been happy to share Stalin's clade, although I'm sure there are a lot of wonderful men who carry that particular lineage.

As you can tell, I'm the only one in my family who has any real interest in population genetics.

It took forever to find out my Dad carried U-152.

I'm afraid I don't have very much interest in my own U2e mtDna. It's so old and so spread all over the world that it's hard to identify with it. Plus, it accounts for so little of my total genetic make-up.

Well, I care about the health implications bound up with mtDna, but not from an "identification" standpoint.

Hehe i guess he is right handed towards politics if he didnt like Stalin : )
Who knows he probably has some of these G2a samples close. Best would be BigY-700.

Except BigY test + Yfull upload, best gift woman can give a man is baby boy that will carry on Y-DNA and tradition : )

I am joking a bit, daughters are excellent also : )

 

[Dema]

Also i forgot haplogroup I1 was pretty much absent in ancient Romans, but appeared later:

[TABLE="width: 1194"]
[TR]
[TD]I1[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]I-Y7234[/TD]
[TD]DF29>Z63>BY151>FGC81364>S2078>S2077>Y2245>Y7234[/TD]
[TD] Late Antiquity[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]I1[/TD]
[TD]1411-1447CE [/TD]
[TD]I-Y4115[/TD]
[TD]P109>FGC16695>Y3662>S14887>Y4115*[/TD]
[TD] Medieval[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Ailchu]

Elementary question. Isn't Steppe ancestry itself roughly 50% CHG/Iran Neo, with the balance Ancient North Eurasian and EHG? And isn't ANE found in Native Americans?

My impression is that the only thing that distinguishes Southern Italians and Greeks from other Europeans is that they--or to speak in the first-person, "we"--carry more CHG and only a small fraction of EHG and ANE. And perhaps "we" also have some small percentage of North African admixture. But for the most part, all Europeans, including Southern Italians, are comprised of Anatolian Neolithic, CHG/Iranian Neolithic, and WHG.

Do I at least have the fundamentals correct?

And in reference to Angela's comments elsewhere in this thread, it would be nice if 23andme and other testing companies used the same nomenclature as academic scientists to describe various genetic components. So rather than say that Calabrians have lots of Middle Eastern ancestry (which is very vague and confusing), they should use terms like Anatolian Neolithic and CHG/Iranian Neolithic.

It's all a load of bunk to make people who have "no life' feel secure in their dismal state. Genetically the component makeup of Europeans varies (as you note) between minute proportions of WHG, CHG, EHG, ENF, which if you think about it is really pretty incidental. Are we going to argue which component is more "valuable" to European culture/civilization or openly acknowledge differences as significant to the creation of the Euro ethos. I wonder if this whole northern=fairer notion may also be debunked since there is evidence that Anatolian farmers (7000 bce) may have introduced the "light" skinned allele into Europe.

correct, now we only need to take the focus away from europe. you see, the hate southern europe gets from some nordicist racists from all over europe, is based on the believe in possible near eastern, "non-european" ancestry in the south. so the aversion is actually against near east and everything that could be tied to modern near eastern populations. only discussing european genetics and thier differences here feels as if the nazis ring at the door to deport "untermenschen" but you explain there are none in your house then close the door and silently let the nazis continue their thing.

all westeurasian populations have only very small differences. an exception are maybe some north africans with significiant sub saharan african. but even there, those who are not having significant admixture are extremely similar. and that is concidering, that all human populations are already very similar.
it's ridiculous how many people still can't understand this eventhough they have all the data to know it better. there is so much denial.

 

[Angela]

Hehe i guess he is right handed towards politics if he didnt like Stalin : )
Who knows he probably has some of these G2a samples close. Best would be BigY-700.

Except BigY test + Yfull upload, best gift woman can give a man is baby boy that will carry on Y-DNA and tradition : )

I am joking a bit, daughters are excellent also : )

He's conservative by American standards, which means very conservative indeed, but it's the fact Stalin was a homicidal butcher who killed millions of people that created the aversion. I've rarely met anyone as compassionate toward other people. Certain behaviors are beyond his comprehension.

Cultures differ. I can't imagine my husband ever caring about passing on his "y line". He wasn't one of those men who was dying to have children at all, but if he had a preference, it was for girls. My father was the same way. There's a saying: a son's a son till he takes a wife, a daughter's a daughter till the end of her life. I think that's very often true. He does care about passing on his family's culture to a degree, but not as much as I do. When push comes to shove he's an American. I'm hanging out somewhere in the Atlantic. Anyway, there's a wide variety of yDna in Italy as you yourself have pointed out.

 

[Dema]

So here is all samples so far, also thanks to whoever put them together in excel file.


[TABLE="width: 1360"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE ID[/TD]
[TD]Y-HAPLOGROUP[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]TERMINAL Y-SNP[/TD]
[TD]PERIOD/CULTURE[/TD]
[TD]LOCATION[/TD]
[TD]mtDNA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11[/TD]
[TD]I2a2[/TD]
[TD]10100-9816 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M436[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]U5b1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R7[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]8821-8642 BCE[/TD]
[TD]pre-M223[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]U5b1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R15[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]7284-7065 BCE[/TD]
[TD]pre-M223[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]U5b3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R26[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M223>CTS616>Y3721>Y3670>Y7240[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[TD]Su Crocefissu[/TD]
[TD]H1j9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R27[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M223>CTS616>Y3721>Y3670>Y7240[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[TD]Su Crocefissu[/TD]
[TD]H1e1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R32[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]M223>CTS616[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]H2a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R104[/TD]
[TD]I2a1a[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L158>Y3992>Z2049>L160>PF4088[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]U5b3a1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R63[/TD]
[TD]I2a1b[/TD]
[TD]970-1010 CE[/TD]
[TD]M423>Y3104>L161.1>S2639>L1498>Y3749[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]K1a2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R110[/TD]
[TD]I1[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]DF29>Z63>BY151>FGC81364>S2078>S2077>Y2245>Y7234[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]H1e[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1286[/TD]
[TD]I1[/TD]
[TD]1411-1447 CE[/TD]
[TD]P109>FGC16695>Y3662>S14887>Y4115*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H1g1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R9[/TD]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]5607-5485 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z42565[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]K1a4a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R64[/TD]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1070-1150 CE[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]HV0a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R52[/TD]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]T1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R29[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>PF3378[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[TD]Su Crocefissu[/TD]
[TD]J2b1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R4[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]2950-2880 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>F2572>F2214>pre-F807[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]K1a+195[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R131[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>FGC5089>FGC5081>L14*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]T1a12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R47[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]232-333 CE[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>PF3293>PF3316>Z6029>S9591[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Centocelle[/TD]
[TD]J1c1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R70[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]P303*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada[/TD]
[TD]T1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R30[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]P303>L140*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]L4a2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R132[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]136-326 CE[/TD]
[TD]CTS342>Z724>Z1903>CTS7045>Z3408>Z3428>YP4752>Z6434[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Marcellino & Pietro[/TD]
[TD]R0a2j[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1545[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]U1>L13>Z2022>Z6759>pre-Z6764[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Mazzano Romano[/TD]
[TD]H8c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R108[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]T2b+150[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R55[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]J2b1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1224[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808>S23438>S18765[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2b4f[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R6[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]5242-5177 BCE[/TD]
[TD]V2219>V88>Y7777>G72+C51:G68+F50+C51:G68+M52f*[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]K1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1016[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]900-700 BCE[/TD]
[TD]Z2103[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Castel di Decima[/TD]
[TD]H1aj1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R123[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]77-213 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2103[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Casale del dolce[/TD]
[TD]T2a1b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1021[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]700-600 BCE[/TD]
[TD]L51>Z2118*[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Boville Ernica[/TD]
[TD]U4a1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R111[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]L51>Z2118>Z2116*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R61[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]L51>Z2118[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]HV[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R33[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]U152>L2>DF110[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]K1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1220[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]DF27>Y30754>Y85515[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2f1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R851[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]800-500 BCE[/TD]
[TD]U152>L2>DF90>F14641>F29470[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Ardea[/TD]
[TD]H2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R437[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]400-200 BCE[/TD]
[TD]U152>L2>ZZ48>ZZ56>F10530>PR5365[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA (Prenestini Tribe)[/TD]
[TD]Palestrina Selciata[/TD]
[TD]H10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R435[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]600-200 BCE[/TD]
[TD]U152>Z56>Z43>Z145>CTS6389>FT152016[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA (Prenestini Tribe)[/TD]
[TD]Palestrina Colombella[/TD]
[TD]H11a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R36[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]U152>Z56>Z43>Z145>CTS6389>FT152016[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Celio[/TD]
[TD]T1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1287[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]1411-1447 CE[/TD]
[TD]U152[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R31[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]332-419 CE[/TD]
[TD]P312>DF19>Z302>Z8193*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]K1c1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R58[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]700-1500 CE[/TD]
[TD]U106>S263>S264>S497>Y24836>Y28640*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]H1c3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1548[/TD]
[TD]R1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z93>Z94>Z2124>Z2122>F1345>F2935>F1019[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]H2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R66[/TD]
[TD]R2a[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Y3399>Y3370[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada[/TD]
[TD]T2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R17[/TD]
[TD]J[/TD]
[TD]5324-5223 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF5008>L581>Z37823>PF5000>pre-Y29673[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Ripabianca di Monterado[/TD]
[TD]U8b1b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R81[/TD]
[TD]J[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842>Y15913[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Viale Rossini, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]K1b1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R105[/TD]
[TD]J1[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Z2324>Z2317>Z2313>YSC0000234>Z1884>FGC12834>PF4876>L829[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]T1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1547[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Z2324>Z2317>Z2313>YSC0000234>Z1884>Y2919>Y6094[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]K1a7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1549[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Y15152>ZS4336 (xZS4312,Y154827)[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]U5b2b3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R128[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]0-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z1828>Z1842>Y4423 (xZS3042,BY100,CTS1460a,Y83506)[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Casale del dolce[/TD]
[TD]HV+16311[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R130[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]300-500 CE[/TD]
[TD]P58>Y4067>L817>pre-L818[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Marcellino & Pietro[/TD]
[TD]H107[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R835[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Z2324>Z2317>Z2313>YSC0000234>Y3081[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Civitanova Marche[/TD]
[TD]H2a5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R34[/TD]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]PF5008>L581*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]H+195+146[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R117[/TD]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>Y5014>M319[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]San Ercolano[/TD]
[TD]T2b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R19[/TD]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]5345-5221 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842*[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Ripabianca di Monterado[/TD]
[TD]U5b3a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R68[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]L25>F3133>Z7706>Y13534[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada[/TD]
[TD]U7a4a1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1551[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]55-211 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z7671>CTS900>Z7661>Y3020>Y11200>Z30677[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1550[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>Y6240>PF7394>Z6264*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]T2c1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R969[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1600-1700 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>Y6240>PF7394[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Tivoli Palazzo Cianti[/TD]
[TD]U5b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R115[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>M92>Z508>Z504>PF7412>Z515>PH672*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]U4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R44[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842>Z6271[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Isola Sacra[/TD]
[TD]T2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R76[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5160>PF5197>PF5172>Y154816>Y47649*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Viale Rossini, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]T2c1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R136[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]300-500 CE[/TD]
[TD]L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435>Z2148>CTS3601>PF5456>Y24651>Z40772*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Marcellino & Pietro[/TD]
[TD]T2d2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1221[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435>Z2148>Z2177>PH185>FGC32147[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H1e2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R970[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1600-1700 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5160>L24>Y22662>L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435*[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Tivoli Palazzo Cianti[/TD]
[TD]J1b3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1283[/TD]
[TD]J2b1[/TD]
[TD]771-947 CE[/TD]
[TD]M205>PF7321*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R50[/TD]
[TD]J2b1[/TD]
[TD]135-244 CE[/TD]
[TD]M205>PF7321>Y134194[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Centocelle[/TD]
[TD]H5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R474[/TD]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]700-600 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Y15058>Z38240>CTS6190[/TD]
[TD]Etruscan_IA[/TD]
[TD]Civitavecchia[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R116[/TD]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Z638>Z1297>Z1295>Z8421>Z631[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]U3a2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R54[/TD]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Z638>Z1297>Y27522>Y23094*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]H4a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R113[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]V12>Y2863>CTS693>Y6730>FGC7703>CTS1239>CTS6667>Y2862>BY8432>pre-BY8536[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]H26a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R59[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]820-990 CE[/TD]
[TD]V12>Y2863>CTS693>Y6730>FGC7703>CTS1239>CTS6667>Y21919>Y21918*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]N1b1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R107[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]V13>Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>L241>Z38770*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]T2h[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1219[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]1417-1463 CE[/TD]
[TD]V13>Z1057>CTS1273[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H11a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R53[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]L19>PF2431>Z21068>PF2438>Y10541>Y10561>pre-FGC19010[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]U2e1c1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R850[/TD]
[TD]T1a1a[/TD]
[TD]800-500 BCE[/TD]
[TD]L162>L208*[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Ardea[/TD]
[TD]T2c1f[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1543[/TD]
[TD]T1a1a[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]L162>L208>CTS11451>Y4119>CTS2214>Z709>Y9109>Y18004*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Mazzano Romano[/TD]
[TD]H1e[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R120[/TD]
[TD]T1a2b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L131>Y6033>pre-FGC23008[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]San Ercolano[/TD]
[TD]I1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1014[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[TD]3500-2500 BCE[/TD]
[TD]P96*[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic (Rinaldone Gaudo)[/TD]
[TD]Monte San Biagio[/TD]
[TD]N1a1a1a3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R118[/TD]
[TD]H2[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]P96>Y21618>Y19962>Y20838>Y20839>Y21598[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]San Ercolano[/TD]
[TD]H1e1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1285[/TD]
[TD]C1a2[/TD]
[TD]974-1035 CE[/TD]
[TD]V20>V86>V182>V222[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2c1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[davef]

He's conservative by American standards, which means very conservative indeed, but it's the fact Stalin was a homicidal butcher who killed millions of people that created the aversion. I've rarely met anyone as compassionate toward other people. Certain behaviors are beyond his comprehension.

Cultures differ. I can't imagine my husband ever caring about passing on his "y line". He wasn't one of those men who was dying to have children at all, but if he had a preference, it was for girls. My father was the same way. There's a saying: a son's a son till he takes a wife, a daughter's a daughter till the end of her life. I think that's very often true. He does care about passing on his family's culture to a degree, but not as much as I do. When push comes to shove he's an American. I'm hanging out somewhere in the Atlantic. Anyway, there's a wide variety of yDna in Italy as you yourself have pointed out.

I'm too mixed to even have a cultural identity, i see myself as a living breathing thing who contributes to this world with my tech saviness who will eventually die and be eaten by worms, just like my ancestors did

 

[halfalp]

Do anybody has clues about Steppe ancestry in Etruscans and Italics? I've read here and there that some samples choose Yamnaya ancestry before BB ancestry, while others look like BB's. Does that mean that in overall, BB ancestry is the sole and unique " Steppe " ancestry in Western Europe? In the mean that, if we accept the hypothesis that IE languages came from the Steppe, BB's were probably the sole and unique speakers of it until it collapsed in different dialects?

This would mean that, anybody IE or Not at some point could have had BB ancestry, but that all IE speakers had it too. Making it very difficult to say who spoked what ( a part from already known hypothesis ) even with Steppe ancestry. So we could say at some point, virtually all Western Europe had BB ancestry, but in this whole, not all of them were IE speakers.

 

[Jovialis]

I'm too mixed to even have a cultural identity, i see myself as a living breathing thing who contributes to this world with my tech saviness who will eventually die and be eaten by worms, just like my ancestors did

You're an American; more specifically a mix of the second wave of immigrants that came over in the 20 century. I think that would be a viable cultural identity. You were born in the American Century (post-WWII 20th century) a time when the United States reached the zenith of power and prestige; truly becoming a new Roman empire.

But also, there's quite a lot of Irish/Italians; almost every Italian-American I know is either marrying an Irish person, or is partly Irish. They can pretty much be an ethnicity on to themselves, imo

Jewish people I know tend to stay with each other. But they will also consort and sometimes marry other groups primarily from the second wave of working-class immigrants.

 

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So here is all samples so far, also thanks to whoever put them together in excel file.


[TABLE="width: 1360"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE ID[/TD]
[TD]Y-HAPLOGROUP[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]TERMINAL Y-SNP[/TD]
[TD]PERIOD/CULTURE[/TD]
[TD]LOCATION[/TD]
[TD]mtDNA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11[/TD]
[TD]I2a2[/TD]
[TD]10100-9816 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M436[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]U5b1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R7[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]8821-8642 BCE[/TD]
[TD]pre-M223[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]U5b1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R15[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]7284-7065 BCE[/TD]
[TD]pre-M223[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]U5b3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R26[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M223>CTS616>Y3721>Y3670>Y7240[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[TD]Su Crocefissu[/TD]
[TD]H1j9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R27[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M223>CTS616>Y3721>Y3670>Y7240[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[TD]Su Crocefissu[/TD]
[TD]H1e1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R32[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]M223>CTS616[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]H2a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R104[/TD]
[TD]I2a1a[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L158>Y3992>Z2049>L160>PF4088[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]U5b3a1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R63[/TD]
[TD]I2a1b[/TD]
[TD]970-1010 CE[/TD]
[TD]M423>Y3104>L161.1>S2639>L1498>Y3749[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]K1a2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R110[/TD]
[TD]I1[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]DF29>Z63>BY151>FGC81364>S2078>S2077>Y2245>Y7234[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]H1e[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1286[/TD]
[TD]I1[/TD]
[TD]1411-1447 CE[/TD]
[TD]P109>FGC16695>Y3662>S14887>Y4115*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H1g1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R9[/TD]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]5607-5485 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z42565[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]K1a4a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R64[/TD]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1070-1150 CE[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]HV0a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R52[/TD]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]T1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R29[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>PF3378[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[TD]Su Crocefissu[/TD]
[TD]J2b1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R4[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]2950-2880 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>F2572>F2214>pre-F807[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]K1a+195[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R131[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>FGC5089>FGC5081>L14*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]T1a12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R47[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]232-333 CE[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>PF3293>PF3316>Z6029>S9591[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Centocelle[/TD]
[TD]J1c1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R70[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]P303*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada[/TD]
[TD]T1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R30[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]P303>L140*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]L4a2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R132[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]136-326 CE[/TD]
[TD]CTS342>Z724>Z1903>CTS7045>Z3408>Z3428>YP4752>Z6434[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Marcellino & Pietro[/TD]
[TD]R0a2j[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1545[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]U1>L13>Z2022>Z6759>pre-Z6764[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Mazzano Romano[/TD]
[TD]H8c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R108[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]T2b+150[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R55[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]J2b1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1224[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808>S23438>S18765[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2b4f[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R6[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]5242-5177 BCE[/TD]
[TD]V2219>V88>Y7777>G72+C51:G68+F50+C51:G68+M52f*[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]K1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1016[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]900-700 BCE[/TD]
[TD]Z2103[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Castel di Decima[/TD]
[TD]H1aj1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R123[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]77-213 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2103[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Casale del dolce[/TD]
[TD]T2a1b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1021[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]700-600 BCE[/TD]
[TD]L51>Z2118*[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Boville Ernica[/TD]
[TD]U4a1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R111[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]L51>Z2118>Z2116*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R61[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]L51>Z2118[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]HV[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R33[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]U152>L2>DF110[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]K1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1220[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]DF27>Y30754>Y85515[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2f1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R851[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]800-500 BCE[/TD]
[TD]U152>L2>DF90>F14641>F29470[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Ardea[/TD]
[TD]H2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R437[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]400-200 BCE[/TD]
[TD]U152>L2>ZZ48>ZZ56>F10530>PR5365[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA (Prenestini Tribe)[/TD]
[TD]Palestrina Selciata[/TD]
[TD]H10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R435[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]600-200 BCE[/TD]
[TD]U152>Z56>Z43>Z145>CTS6389>FT152016[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA (Prenestini Tribe)[/TD]
[TD]Palestrina Colombella[/TD]
[TD]H11a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R36[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]U152>Z56>Z43>Z145>CTS6389>FT152016[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Celio[/TD]
[TD]T1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1287[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]1411-1447 CE[/TD]
[TD]U152[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R31[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]332-419 CE[/TD]
[TD]P312>DF19>Z302>Z8193*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]K1c1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R58[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]700-1500 CE[/TD]
[TD]U106>S263>S264>S497>Y24836>Y28640*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]H1c3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1548[/TD]
[TD]R1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z93>Z94>Z2124>Z2122>F1345>F2935>F1019[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]H2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R66[/TD]
[TD]R2a[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Y3399>Y3370[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada[/TD]
[TD]T2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R17[/TD]
[TD]J[/TD]
[TD]5324-5223 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF5008>L581>Z37823>PF5000>pre-Y29673[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Ripabianca di Monterado[/TD]
[TD]U8b1b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R81[/TD]
[TD]J[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842>Y15913[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Viale Rossini, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]K1b1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R105[/TD]
[TD]J1[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Z2324>Z2317>Z2313>YSC0000234>Z1884>FGC12834>PF4876>L829[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]T1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1547[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Z2324>Z2317>Z2313>YSC0000234>Z1884>Y2919>Y6094[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]K1a7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1549[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Y15152>ZS4336 (xZS4312,Y154827)[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]U5b2b3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R128[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]0-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z1828>Z1842>Y4423 (xZS3042,BY100,CTS1460a,Y83506)[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Casale del dolce[/TD]
[TD]HV+16311[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R130[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]300-500 CE[/TD]
[TD]P58>Y4067>L817>pre-L818[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Marcellino & Pietro[/TD]
[TD]H107[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R835[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Z2324>Z2317>Z2313>YSC0000234>Y3081[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Civitanova Marche[/TD]
[TD]H2a5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R34[/TD]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]PF5008>L581*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]H+195+146[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R117[/TD]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>Y5014>M319[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]San Ercolano[/TD]
[TD]T2b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R19[/TD]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]5345-5221 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842*[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Ripabianca di Monterado[/TD]
[TD]U5b3a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R68[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]L25>F3133>Z7706>Y13534[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada[/TD]
[TD]U7a4a1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1551[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]55-211 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z7671>CTS900>Z7661>Y3020>Y11200>Z30677[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1550[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>Y6240>PF7394>Z6264*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]T2c1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R969[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1600-1700 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>Y6240>PF7394[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Tivoli Palazzo Cianti[/TD]
[TD]U5b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R115[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>M92>Z508>Z504>PF7412>Z515>PH672*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]U4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R44[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842>Z6271[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Isola Sacra[/TD]
[TD]T2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R76[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5160>PF5197>PF5172>Y154816>Y47649*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Viale Rossini, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]T2c1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R136[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]300-500 CE[/TD]
[TD]L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435>Z2148>CTS3601>PF5456>Y24651>Z40772*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Marcellino & Pietro[/TD]
[TD]T2d2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1221[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435>Z2148>Z2177>PH185>FGC32147[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H1e2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R970[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1600-1700 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5160>L24>Y22662>L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435*[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Tivoli Palazzo Cianti[/TD]
[TD]J1b3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1283[/TD]
[TD]J2b1[/TD]
[TD]771-947 CE[/TD]
[TD]M205>PF7321*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R50[/TD]
[TD]J2b1[/TD]
[TD]135-244 CE[/TD]
[TD]M205>PF7321>Y134194[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Centocelle[/TD]
[TD]H5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R474[/TD]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]700-600 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Y15058>Z38240>CTS6190[/TD]
[TD]Etruscan_IA[/TD]
[TD]Civitavecchia[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R116[/TD]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Z638>Z1297>Z1295>Z8421>Z631[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]U3a2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R54[/TD]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Z638>Z1297>Y27522>Y23094*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]H4a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R113[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]V12>Y2863>CTS693>Y6730>FGC7703>CTS1239>CTS6667>Y2862>BY8432>pre-BY8536[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]H26a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R59[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]820-990 CE[/TD]
[TD]V12>Y2863>CTS693>Y6730>FGC7703>CTS1239>CTS6667>Y21919>Y21918*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]N1b1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R107[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]V13>Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>L241>Z38770*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]T2h[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1219[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]1417-1463 CE[/TD]
[TD]V13>Z1057>CTS1273[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H11a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R53[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]L19>PF2431>Z21068>PF2438>Y10541>Y10561>pre-FGC19010[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]U2e1c1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R850[/TD]
[TD]T1a1a[/TD]
[TD]800-500 BCE[/TD]
[TD]L162>L208*[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Ardea[/TD]
[TD]T2c1f[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1543[/TD]
[TD]T1a1a[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]L162>L208>CTS11451>Y4119>CTS2214>Z709>Y9109>Y18004*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Mazzano Romano[/TD]
[TD]H1e[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R120[/TD]
[TD]T1a2b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L131>Y6033>pre-FGC23008[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]San Ercolano[/TD]
[TD]I1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1014[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[TD]3500-2500 BCE[/TD]
[TD]P96*[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic (Rinaldone Gaudo)[/TD]
[TD]Monte San Biagio[/TD]
[TD]N1a1a1a3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R118[/TD]
[TD]H2[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]P96>Y21618>Y19962>Y20838>Y20839>Y21598[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]San Ercolano[/TD]
[TD]H1e1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1285[/TD]
[TD]C1a2[/TD]
[TD]974-1035 CE[/TD]
[TD]V20>V86>V182>V222[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2c1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Thanks, i always found interesting that, G2a2a and G2a2b were found together in European Neolithic and later phases. While G2a1 is almost solely in the Caucasus Mountains as we know. I wonder when and where G2a2 and G2a1 splited and how they started to spread. It's interesting that for now, no Mesolithic samples from Anatolia or the Caucasus have shown neither of them.

 

[Jovialis]

So here is all samples so far, also thanks to whoever put them together in excel file.


[TABLE="width: 1360"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE ID[/TD]
[TD]Y-HAPLOGROUP[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]TERMINAL Y-SNP[/TD]
[TD]PERIOD/CULTURE[/TD]
[TD]LOCATION[/TD]
[TD]mtDNA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11[/TD]
[TD]I2a2[/TD]
[TD]10100-9816 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M436[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]U5b1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R7[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]8821-8642 BCE[/TD]
[TD]pre-M223[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]U5b1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R15[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]7284-7065 BCE[/TD]
[TD]pre-M223[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]U5b3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R26[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M223>CTS616>Y3721>Y3670>Y7240[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[TD]Su Crocefissu[/TD]
[TD]H1j9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R27[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M223>CTS616>Y3721>Y3670>Y7240[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[TD]Su Crocefissu[/TD]
[TD]H1e1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R32[/TD]
[TD]I2a2a[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]M223>CTS616[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]H2a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R104[/TD]
[TD]I2a1a[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L158>Y3992>Z2049>L160>PF4088[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]U5b3a1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R63[/TD]
[TD]I2a1b[/TD]
[TD]970-1010 CE[/TD]
[TD]M423>Y3104>L161.1>S2639>L1498>Y3749[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]K1a2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R110[/TD]
[TD]I1[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]DF29>Z63>BY151>FGC81364>S2078>S2077>Y2245>Y7234[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]H1e[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1286[/TD]
[TD]I1[/TD]
[TD]1411-1447 CE[/TD]
[TD]P109>FGC16695>Y3662>S14887>Y4115*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H1g1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R9[/TD]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]5607-5485 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z42565[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]K1a4a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R64[/TD]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1070-1150 CE[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]HV0a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R52[/TD]
[TD]G2a2a[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]PF3147>PF3148>PF3177>L91>Z6484>Z6128>PF3239>Z6802>Z6228[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]T1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R29[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]3500-900 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>PF3378[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic/BA[/TD]
[TD]Su Crocefissu[/TD]
[TD]J2b1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R4[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]2950-2880 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F872>F2572>F2214>pre-F807[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]K1a+195[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R131[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>FGC5089>FGC5081>L14*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]T1a12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R47[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]232-333 CE[/TD]
[TD]M406>M3317>PF3293>PF3316>Z6029>S9591[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Centocelle[/TD]
[TD]J1c1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R70[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]P303*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada[/TD]
[TD]T1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R30[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]P303>L140*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]L4a2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R132[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]136-326 CE[/TD]
[TD]CTS342>Z724>Z1903>CTS7045>Z3408>Z3428>YP4752>Z6434[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Marcellino & Pietro[/TD]
[TD]R0a2j[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1545[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]U1>L13>Z2022>Z6759>pre-Z6764[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Mazzano Romano[/TD]
[TD]H8c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R108[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]T2b+150[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R55[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]J2b1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1224[/TD]
[TD]G2a2b[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]L497>Z1815>Y7538>Z1816>Z1823>Z726>CTS4803>S2808>S23438>S18765[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2b4f[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R6[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]5242-5177 BCE[/TD]
[TD]V2219>V88>Y7777>G72+C51:G68+F50+C51:G68+M52f*[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Grotta Continenza[/TD]
[TD]K1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1016[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]900-700 BCE[/TD]
[TD]Z2103[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Castel di Decima[/TD]
[TD]H1aj1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R123[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]77-213 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2103[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Casale del dolce[/TD]
[TD]T2a1b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1021[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]700-600 BCE[/TD]
[TD]L51>Z2118*[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Boville Ernica[/TD]
[TD]U4a1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R111[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]L51>Z2118>Z2116*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R61[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]L51>Z2118[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]HV[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R33[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]U152>L2>DF110[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]K1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1220[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]DF27>Y30754>Y85515[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2f1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R851[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]800-500 BCE[/TD]
[TD]U152>L2>DF90>F14641>F29470[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Ardea[/TD]
[TD]H2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R437[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]400-200 BCE[/TD]
[TD]U152>L2>ZZ48>ZZ56>F10530>PR5365[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA (Prenestini Tribe)[/TD]
[TD]Palestrina Selciata[/TD]
[TD]H10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R435[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]600-200 BCE[/TD]
[TD]U152>Z56>Z43>Z145>CTS6389>FT152016[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA (Prenestini Tribe)[/TD]
[TD]Palestrina Colombella[/TD]
[TD]H11a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R36[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]U152>Z56>Z43>Z145>CTS6389>FT152016[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Celio[/TD]
[TD]T1a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1287[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]1411-1447 CE[/TD]
[TD]U152[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R31[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]332-419 CE[/TD]
[TD]P312>DF19>Z302>Z8193*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]K1c1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R58[/TD]
[TD]R1b[/TD]
[TD]700-1500 CE[/TD]
[TD]U106>S263>S264>S497>Y24836>Y28640*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]H1c3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1548[/TD]
[TD]R1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z93>Z94>Z2124>Z2122>F1345>F2935>F1019[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]H2a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R66[/TD]
[TD]R2a[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Y3399>Y3370[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada[/TD]
[TD]T2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R17[/TD]
[TD]J[/TD]
[TD]5324-5223 BCE[/TD]
[TD]PF5008>L581>Z37823>PF5000>pre-Y29673[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Ripabianca di Monterado[/TD]
[TD]U8b1b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R81[/TD]
[TD]J[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842>Y15913[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Viale Rossini, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]K1b1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R105[/TD]
[TD]J1[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Z2324>Z2317>Z2313>YSC0000234>Z1884>FGC12834>PF4876>L829[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]T1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1547[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Z2324>Z2317>Z2313>YSC0000234>Z1884>Y2919>Y6094[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]K1a7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1549[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Y15152>ZS4336 (xZS4312,Y154827)[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]U5b2b3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R128[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]0-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z1828>Z1842>Y4423 (xZS3042,BY100,CTS1460a,Y83506)[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Casale del dolce[/TD]
[TD]HV+16311[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R130[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]300-500 CE[/TD]
[TD]P58>Y4067>L817>pre-L818[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Marcellino & Pietro[/TD]
[TD]H107[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R835[/TD]
[TD]J1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]Z2331>Z2324>Z2317>Z2313>YSC0000234>Y3081[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Civitanova Marche[/TD]
[TD]H2a5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R34[/TD]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]300-700 CE[/TD]
[TD]PF5008>L581*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Mausoleo di Augusto[/TD]
[TD]H+195+146[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R117[/TD]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>Y5014>M319[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]San Ercolano[/TD]
[TD]T2b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R19[/TD]
[TD]J2a[/TD]
[TD]5345-5221 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842*[/TD]
[TD]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD]Ripabianca di Monterado[/TD]
[TD]U5b3a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R68[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]100-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]L25>F3133>Z7706>Y13534[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada[/TD]
[TD]U7a4a1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1551[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]55-211 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z7671>CTS900>Z7661>Y3020>Y11200>Z30677[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1550[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]27 BCE-300 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>Y6240>PF7394>Z6264*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Monterotondo[/TD]
[TD]T2c1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R969[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1600-1700 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>Y6240>PF7394[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Tivoli Palazzo Cianti[/TD]
[TD]U5b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R115[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M67>Z1847>Z500>M92>Z508>Z504>PF7412>Z515>PH672*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]U4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R44[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>S11842>Z6271[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Isola Sacra[/TD]
[TD]T2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R76[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5160>PF5197>PF5172>Y154816>Y47649*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Viale Rossini, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]T2c1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R136[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]300-500 CE[/TD]
[TD]L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435>Z2148>CTS3601>PF5456>Y24651>Z40772*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Marcellino & Pietro[/TD]
[TD]T2d2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1221[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1480-1490 CE[/TD]
[TD]L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435>Z2148>Z2177>PH185>FGC32147[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H1e2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R970[/TD]
[TD]J2a1a[/TD]
[TD]1600-1700 CE[/TD]
[TD]L26>PF5087>PF5160>L24>Y22662>L25>Z438>Z387>L70>Z435*[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Tivoli Palazzo Cianti[/TD]
[TD]J1b3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1283[/TD]
[TD]J2b1[/TD]
[TD]771-947 CE[/TD]
[TD]M205>PF7321*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R50[/TD]
[TD]J2b1[/TD]
[TD]135-244 CE[/TD]
[TD]M205>PF7321>Y134194[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Centocelle[/TD]
[TD]H5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R474[/TD]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]700-600 BCE[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Y15058>Z38240>CTS6190[/TD]
[TD]Etruscan_IA[/TD]
[TD]Civitavecchia[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R116[/TD]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Z638>Z1297>Z1295>Z8421>Z631[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]U3a2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R54[/TD]
[TD]J2b2a[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]M241>L283>Z600>Z585>Z615>Z597>Z2507>Z638>Z1297>Y27522>Y23094*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]H4a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R113[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]0-200 CE[/TD]
[TD]V12>Y2863>CTS693>Y6730>FGC7703>CTS1239>CTS6667>Y2862>BY8432>pre-BY8536[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Via Paisiello, Necropoli Salaria[/TD]
[TD]H26a1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R59[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]820-990 CE[/TD]
[TD]V12>Y2863>CTS693>Y6730>FGC7703>CTS1239>CTS6667>Y21919>Y21918*[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]N1b1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R107[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]V13>Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>L241>Z38770*[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]Crypta Balbi[/TD]
[TD]T2h[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1219[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]1417-1463 CE[/TD]
[TD]V13>Z1057>CTS1273[/TD]
[TD]Renaissance[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]H11a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R53[/TD]
[TD]E1b1b[/TD]
[TD]1280-1430 CE[/TD]
[TD]L19>PF2431>Z21068>PF2438>Y10541>Y10561>pre-FGC19010[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Villa Magna[/TD]
[TD]U2e1c1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R850[/TD]
[TD]T1a1a[/TD]
[TD]800-500 BCE[/TD]
[TD]L162>L208*[/TD]
[TD]Latin_IA[/TD]
[TD]Ardea[/TD]
[TD]T2c1f[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1543[/TD]
[TD]T1a1a[/TD]
[TD]1-400 CE[/TD]
[TD]L162>L208>CTS11451>Y4119>CTS2214>Z709>Y9109>Y18004*[/TD]
[TD]Imperial Rome[/TD]
[TD]Mazzano Romano[/TD]
[TD]H1e[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R120[/TD]
[TD]T1a2b[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]L131>Y6033>pre-FGC23008[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]San Ercolano[/TD]
[TD]I1c[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1014[/TD]
[TD]H[/TD]
[TD]3500-2500 BCE[/TD]
[TD]P96*[/TD]
[TD]Chalcolithic (Rinaldone Gaudo)[/TD]
[TD]Monte San Biagio[/TD]
[TD]N1a1a1a3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R118[/TD]
[TD]H2[/TD]
[TD]400-600 CE[/TD]
[TD]P96>Y21618>Y19962>Y20838>Y20839>Y21598[/TD]
[TD]Late Antiquity[/TD]
[TD]San Ercolano[/TD]
[TD]H1e1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1285[/TD]
[TD]C1a2[/TD]
[TD]974-1035 CE[/TD]
[TD]V20>V86>V182>V222[/TD]
[TD]Medieval[/TD]
[TD]Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]T2c1a[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Interesting, so R437 is U152

R437 R1b 400-200 BCE U152>L2>ZZ48>ZZ56>F10530>PR5365 Latin_IA (Prenestini Tribe) Palestrina Selciata H10

 

[kingdavid]

Mtdna H10 was found in alemanni tribe remains in germany ������
interesting that this latin dude carry it������

p.s
by the way a little update
in my true ancestry total genetic similarity
shortest distance
https://i.imgur.com/lZTyglQ.png

P.S
so i guess western jews which acquired a lot of southern european blood
cluster with some of these imperial romans
mainly the ones in -cluster C5 from the paper
i am not surprised by my results of total austosomaly

 

[[email protected]]

You're an American; more specifically a mix of the second wave of immigrants that came over in the 20 century. I think that would be a viable cultural identity. You were born in the American Century (post-WWII 20th century) a time when the United States reached the zenith of power and prestige; truly becoming a new Roman empire.

But also, there's quite a lot of Irish/Italians; almost every Italian-American I know is either marrying an Irish person, or is partly Irish. They can pretty much be an ethnicity on to themselves, imo

Jewish people I know tend to stay with each other. But they will also consort and sometimes marry other groups primarily from the second wave of working-class immigrants.

This, I suppose, is my problem making sense of autosomal DNA results. Pieces of my family have been in America since the 17th century, and since then they've been mixing with other immigrants from most every nation in Europe. All my DNA results show is that I'm related to everyone, though with a shading towards northwest Europe.

 

[Joey37]

My father wishes we were G2a, good farmer lines, one thing we have in common is the desire to emulate our maternal grandfathers; his being a first generation Sicilian-American cattle rancher in southern California and mine being a New England Yankee of 100% Colonial English stock, descended from Samuel Gorton and Anne Hutchinson and a direct male-line descendant of the last man in England to be burned to death for his religious beliefs, very Anglophile and a history buff. So my dad has a nice little farm in eastern Connecticut, with chickens and cows (my niece loves the cows, which I call her 'beef puppies') while I research the family tree and absorb myself in historical minutiae. I told my father that we, being R1a, are steppe invaders, not peaceful farmers, although I do have farmer mtdna and he may have it as well.

 

[[email protected]]

My father wishes we were G2a, good farmer lines, one thing we have in common is the desire to emulate our maternal grandfathers; his being a first generation Sicilian-American cattle rancher in southern California and mine being a New England Yankee of 100% Colonial English stock, descended from Samuel Gorton and Anne Hutchinson and a direct male-line descendant of the last man in England to be burned to death for his religious beliefs, very Anglophile and a history buff. So my dad has a nice little farm in eastern Connecticut, with chickens and cows (my niece loves the cows, which I call her 'beef puppies') while I research the family tree and absorb myself in historical minutiae. I told my father that we, being R1a, are steppe invaders, not peaceful farmers, although I do have farmer mtdna and he may have it as well.

Well, my paternal line is G2a and they were good farmers, coming from Yorkshire c1686, and moving through west Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and on into Iowa. My father was the last farm boy. My mother's line is also descended from Neolithic farmers, K1a4h, from Holstein, Germany, but later, in the early 1850's.

Both Y-DNA and mtDNA are easy to understand and somehow satisfying because you can tie them to identifiable individuals.

 

[Tutkun Arnaut]

And your point is?

Something wrong with yDna J2, whether J2b or J2a?

If one could make accurate predictions from maps of modern frequencies it looks to me like either an arrival through Greece and the area around Albania or directly from places like Crete, Cyprus, or Asia Minor. They might have gone directly to Rome or after some hundreds of years in Southern Italy.

My question was whether you have any pertinent information of where those subclades each are most frequent and when they might have arrived, i.e. the dating. For example, how about Crete? The Peloponnesus? Coastal Anatolia?

That's what we're trying to do, yes? Figure out how all of the migrations which make up Europeans occurred?

I saw another map where Western Turkey, around Bosporus channel, Asian side, has autosomal similar with Italians. This creates the impression that people from this area migrated to Italy through sea ways, not necessary through Greece, but circumventing it. That's entirely possible since those people were navigating keeping the land in their sight, not necessary stellar navigation. That could be the source of Italian J///