Joey37
Regular member
- Messages
- 479
- Reaction score
- 106
- Points
- 43
- Location
- Coventry, Rhode Island
- Ethnic group
- Celto-Germanic
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1a-YP445
- mtDNA haplogroup
- J1c2b
re-upload
new sample: SZ1 Roman Outlier Lombard Grave (590 AD)
(why outlier ???) (No Gender yet)
WoW, the shared DNA ...
SZ1 has new name, it is not longer labeled as an Outlier, ... I never liked that term in general, ...
thanks
I have
6. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 9.36 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users
SZ1:
mtDNA: J1b
Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a(Z2123)
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also , new.......is Neolithic age [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 18.75 - MX265 - ..............No idea on this one
@torzio @Illyri
I haven’t this one, referenced by you, in my top 125. But I have the three samples below that came from the same paper. In this sense, you can would access the link below.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0139705
As it is labelled MX265, isn’t it the brand new R1a-M458 sample from iron age southern Germany. Dibran recently started a thread about it. I am quoting:
« One sample on a upcoming paper on social and genetic structure of Late Neolithic Switzerland may belong to R1a-M458 pending further examination. Sample MX265 was discovered in the District of Constance, which is in Southwest Germany on the Swiss border. If I am not mistaken the sample was from the Bronze Age. If it is confirmed it would be pretty neat considering we only have medieval samples of descending clades. »
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Curious news from the last update of MTA.
They backdated this Szolad sample SZ1 to the late Central European Bronze Age (1000 BC). Various users requested verification, but MTA confirmed that it would not be an oversight (they are classifying it as an "outlier").
If this were confirmed at this point, there is a good chance that the other specimens of the Szolad cemetery with similar or identical autosomal of the Lombard age are 1) native to the Pannonian region, not born from a mixed Roman-Lombard family and not even descendants of Italic settlers who moved to provincial territories 2) that we have the representative of a late Bronze Age group somehow connected to the ancient Italic and Balkan peoples, perhaps arisen from the same ancestral populations of Central Europe (which would explain why its DNA fragments they are so widespread among many of us MTA users). It would also confirm that genetic "continuum" of ancient pre-Slavic and pre-Germanic central Europe, with the areas of central-northern Italy and also other more western ones
thanks
I have
6. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 9.36 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users
SZ1:
mtDNA: J1b
Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a(Z2123)
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also , new.......is Neolithic age [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 18.75 - MX265 - ..............No idea on this one
my sister
47. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2240 BC) ..... 14.97 - MX265 -
Top 99 % match vs all users
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my father and 1st cousin does not have this marker.................so it is my mother's side
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my father, myself, my sister and my 1st cousin all have the SZ1 sample though
thanks.....can you link me where he states this
IIRC, the paper stated.....the Lombards arrived and destroyed the Rugii tribe ( originally from the baltic sea ) and married and/or enslaved the remaining Pannonian populace .....................but I am not stating BC times , but the Lombard move into modern Eastern Austria and Hungaria
MTA should add the X Chromosome too,
and then in the “Deep Dive”, any matches on your X chr. would be from your mother’s side,
although your Father could also pass to you the same samples, but not in your X chromosome.
Relata refero
(this is the correspondence between the group administrator of Facebook MTA users group and the MTA staff) :indifferent: