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Additional Features >>> Medical Analysis
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I haven’t this option in my ‘Additional Features’ . I just have the option of comparison two different kits:sad-2:
Cheers dear friend Salento.
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... strange, ... and you’ve got the Rich People level, ...lol
It might be related to the place of residence. On 23andme the medical interpretations were blocked for Europeans too after the troubles with the FDA and never reopened, unlike for Americans.
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Guys, I wanted to post this in another thread ... genetic origin of Minoans and Mycenaeans, due to the discussion going on there... but I felt its more appropriate here.
Is it me or quite a few Italians, people with Italian ancestry (and even some Iberians) have very close matches with Bronze Age Balkans, be it Illyrians or Thracians and even ancient Greeks?
Would this be because of some Southern European genetic continuum?
Not only that, but as has been previously stated in various threads on Eupedia, Albanians and Greeks are quite close autosomally to southern Italians, and even Tuscans (who I consider North Italy).
I personally get modeled by some calculators with the third closest population autosomally to Swiss Italians, which I find quite peculiar and interesting.
Is it me or quite a few Italians, people with Italian ancestry (and even some Iberians) have very close matches with Bronze Age Balkans, be it Illyrians or Thracians and even ancient Greeks?
Would this be because of some Southern European genetic continuum?
Not only that, but as has been previously stated in various threads on Eupedia, Albanians and Greeks are quite close autosomally to southern Italians, and even Tuscans (who I consider North Italy).
I personally get modeled by some calculators with the third closest population autosomally to Swiss Italians, which I find quite peculiar and interesting.
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A lot of Italians get close matches with Bronze Age Balkans, especially those from Tuscany north, i.e. Torzio, Stuvane, etc. as well as me. If my memory serves, Duarte also gets matches but I think the Northern Italians are closer.
Maybe they'll chime in.
I think it's partly because it's a similar mix in terms of percentages of European farmer and steppe.
In terms of the Mycenaeans, I don't think anyone is really close to them among Italians, and I don't know that I've ever seen Greek or Albanian results; or maybe I just don't remember.
My husband's results (Calabria and Campania):
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3D00, align: right"]13.21406069[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000B, align: right"]15.30949705[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002F, align: right"]16.39549938[/TD]
[TD]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0033, align: right"]16.51320684[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0049, align: right"]17.14511884[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005C, align: right"]17.69629340[/TD]
[TD]I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006A, align: right"]18.10760614[/TD]
[TD]I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F4, align: right"]22.17128548[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FF, align: right"]22.50692338[/TD]
[TD]I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0200FF, align: right"]29.94620677[/TD]
[TD]I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.37735011[/TD]
[TD]I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
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A lot of Italians get close matches with Bronze Age Balkans, especially those from Tuscany north, i.e. Torzio, Stuvane, etc. as well as me. If my memory serves, Duarte also gets matches but I think the Northern Italians are closer.
Maybe they'll chime in.
I think it's partly because it's a similar mix in terms of percentages of European farmer and steppe.
In terms of the Mycenaeans, I don't think anyone is really close to them among Italians, and I don't know that I've ever seen Greek or Albanian results; or maybe I just don't remember.
My husband's results (Calabria and Campania):
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3D00, align: right"]13.21406069[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000B, align: right"]15.30949705[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002F, align: right"]16.39549938[/TD]
[TD]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0033, align: right"]16.51320684[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0049, align: right"]17.14511884[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005C, align: right"]17.69629340[/TD]
[TD]I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006A, align: right"]18.10760614[/TD]
[TD]I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00BB, align: right"]20.50776438[/TD]
[TD]I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C5, align: right"]20.79050745[/TD]
[TD]I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00DD, align: right"]21.50784741[/TD]
[TD]I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E0, align: right"]21.58030584[/TD]
[TD]I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F4, align: right"]22.17128548[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FF, align: right"]22.50692338[/TD]
[TD]I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EB00FF, align: right"]23.08921610[/TD]
[TD]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0200FF, align: right"]29.94620677[/TD]
[TD]I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.37735011[/TD]
[TD]I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
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Mine:
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Angela[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D7FF00, align: right"]6.32865705[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3F00, align: right"]13.16126134[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002E, align: right"]16.36232257[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0049, align: right"]17.15337576[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F700FF, align: right"]22.73903692[/TD]
[TD]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D300FF, align: right"]23.78977301[/TD]
[TD]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C500FF, align: right"]24.20533206[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A300FF, align: right"]25.21253061[/TD]
[TD]I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8A00FF, align: right"]25.95385135[/TD]
[TD]I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8600FF, align: right"]26.05354486[/TD]
[TD]I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6500FF, align: right"]27.02639081[/TD]
[TD]I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5200FF, align: right"]27.59669183[/TD]
[TD]I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2400FF, align: right"]28.94240488[/TD]
[TD]I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1300FF, align: right"]29.43669479[/TD]
[TD]I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.20115726[/TD]
[TD]I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.35607515[/TD]
[TD]I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Yes, did not mean relatively close to Myceneans, just mean't I got inspiration from that thread.
... sharing with me the same chromosome segment (.. common ancestry) :
I3313 / I5769 and SZ1 / I5769 /...
SZ1 must be a Top Ancient Matrix
Crete Armenoi is closer to Bulgarians than it is to Myceaneans, isn't that alarming enough that it is not an accurate model?
As for the rest I agree the Epirotes and Macedonians might be closer to Thracians than ancient Peloponnesians but still Thracians are closer to Myceaneans than mainland Greeks are.
[FONT="]Here are the four Mycenaean samples as TARGETS.
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
[/FONT]
Here is Minoan and Mycenean also done by ph2ter:
Here is mine
Edit: These maps are "G25 Distance Maps To Modern Europeans". Many more interesting maps done by ph2ter can be found here:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?18960-G25-Distance-Maps-To-Modern-Europeans
These are the posts that inspired my question.
I realize that Mycenean at around 10-13% genetic distance is not that "close", and I did not imply that, just got inspired from the posts in Genetic origins of Minoans and Myceneans. And to be fair 10-13% genetic distance to such ancient samples is nothing to scoff at.
My point was that autosomally speaking Italians, Albanians and Greeks are "fairly close" to ancient Bronze age populations, be it Illyrian, Thracian and less so for Mycenean and Minoan.
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swiss-italians are historically tied to Grisons
The canton of (the) Grisons, or canton of Graubünden,[a] is the largest and easternmost canton of Switzerland. It has international borders with Italy, Austria, and Liechtenstein. Its German name, Graubünden, translates as the "Grey Leagues", referring to the canton's origin in three local alliances, the League of God's House, the Grey League, and the League of the Ten Jurisdictions. Grisons is the only officially trilingual canton and the only one where the Romansh language has official status. Swiss German, Italian, and Romansh are all native to the canton.
Most of the lands of the canton were once part of a Roman province called Raetia, which was established in 15 BC. The current capital of Grisons, Chur, was known as Curia in Roman times. The area later was part of the lands of the diocese of Chur. In 1798, the lands of the canton of Grisons became part of the Helvetic Republic as the Canton of Raetia except Valtellina, which was separated in 1797 for joining to the Cisalpine Republic. It was later part of Empire of Austria in 1814 before joining to Kingdom of Italy in 1859.
https://books.google.com.au/books?i...3oECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=ancient grisons&f=false
Rhaetians are associated with Tuscans, Veneti, Lombardi, Trentini and Friuliani
The venetians took a lot of these people as mercenaries circa 1600
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=p1IBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=ancient+grisons+and+venetians&source=bl&ots=FVvmptEKN4&sig=ACfU3U2pgoGgIp4UZ9rWHlrtbyqNEf5IIA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBxoa8x53pAhUMeisKHf58DzEQ6AEwE3oECBcQAQ#v=onepage&q=ancient%20grisons%20and%20venetians&f=false
[url]https://books.google.com.au/books?id=SubcAQPqa3EC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=ancient+grisons+and+venetians&source=bl&ots=ouWIFN_sin&sig=ACfU3U2wh9qALo2fsvJxoAEom0TvUxJpMA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBxoa8x53pAhUMeisKHf58DzEQ6AEwFnoECBgQAQ#v=onepage&q=ancient%20grisons%20and%20venetians&f=false
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I completely agree.
From what I've seen, though, Sicilians (i.e. Palermo Trapani) are often much closer to Myceneaens than anyone else, and I think northern Italians, not including Tuscans, may be the closest to Bronze Age Balkan populations north of Greece, although I think that's a Southern European phenomenon.
In terms of your Swiss Italian match, I meant to tell you on the other thread that you seem a bit more "northern" than some of the other Albanian results I've seen.
I've seen people from Kosovo get Tuscans on their list, and some Tuscans get Kosovo on their list, but after people from closer areas. I think the difference may be more "Gaulish" in western Italians, and some "Slavic" in people in the Balkans.
I think I may have mentioned before that there's one gedmatch oracle which has no Tuscans or Northern Italians, only Southern Italians. On that one, I get Bulgarians and Albanians first and second, but not great fits, naturally.
I'm just relying on memory.
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Hi Salento. Thanks by answering. LOL These are my active level and my available features. In fact, strange. Maybe I have the rich people level but this is not available to poor countries like mine, for example, lol lol lol.... strange, ... and you’ve got the Rich People level, ...
Maybe It was a ofer by limited time or my kit do not have sufficient SNPs to turn on the medical analysis, I don’t know. Meanwhile, still continues strange because my standard kit nowadays is MyHeritage health + ancestry, that contain almost all SNPs refers to traits. I am not using more the FTDNA kit in MTA.
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Here are my updated MTA results (I upgraded to Zeus Level as they were offering the update for only $50 bucks!, so I grabbed it). These results support the Dodecad 7B results I posted earlier. Not only do I get reasonable genetic distances with ancient Greeks, I also get matches on the MTA Chroma analysis as well. I apologize if the images are poorly presented, I had to do 3 separate snips.
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... comparing the Mycenaeans, ...
they’re closer to you than me by about 5 points.
(some of Puglia was part of Magna Graecia)
... nice results
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Welcome to team @Palermo Trapani.
MTA is a interesting and fun website of genetics. They have a great number and variety of ancient samples and are advancing at each updated. Nothing in this world is absolutely perfect, but I think that they try to do the best to the users. Cheers
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New results.
I get all the heads from Ullastret... Ilergetes?
Good morning dear friend @Carlos (and @Salento too). Nice results, Carlos. I just have 125 samples in my MTA level (Zeus+). Between these 125 samples, we have these coincidences:
@Salento: As you can see, @Carlos is in a much more superior level of rich people. His is much more ‘plus’ then mine, LOL.
Cheers
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Welcome to team @Palermo Trapani.
MTA is a interesting and fun website of genetics. They have a great number and variety of ancient samples and are advancing at each updated. Nothing in this world is absolutely perfect, but I think that they try to do the best to the users. Cheers
... wrong label, but SZ1 Trumps over,
... and over, ... lol
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Wow. 100% Gallo-Roman, lol lol. They make labeling mistakes. @ Stuvannè had already warned about this.
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Wow. 100% Gallo-Roman, lol lol. They make labeling mistakes. @ Stuvannè had already warned about this.
... oops, I was cleaning the imgur pics and something went wrong, ... I re-uploaded the pic
... or: even the Gods disagree with the Label :grin:
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Everyone remembers that Ostrogoth Chief is closest genetically to a Pontic Greek, right?
As for the rest, can't play because I only paid for 50 samples. My match wouldn't be below 14 anyway, because that's where it cuts off.
As for the rest, can't play because I only paid for 50 samples. My match wouldn't be below 14 anyway, because that's where it cuts off.