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[Stuvanè]

I had also run the LM K36 ancestral report last year.
At that time the pie chart was not present to depict the admixture, but only the nearest populations, nor the map with Euclidean values. In any case, the results have always seemed to me to be correct and rather reliable: only some doubts about the reporting of Liguria as my first reference population. Since I don't see nearby Ligurian ancestors in my genealogy, the hypothesis I had then advanced is that in my autosomal some important component attributable to the ancient Friniates, a people who lived in the high plains and the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines, is somehow encrypted. They lived mainly in the most internal areas of the provinces of Reggio Emilia, Modena, Pistoia. After the wars and defeats against the Romans in the second century BC if I remember correctly, many of them were deported to various areas, including the plain.
I suppose that for this same reason many of the ancient Samples that attribute to me Mytrueancestry (often ancient and medieval Iberians) are similar to this ancient Ligurian (or Celto-Ligurian) population.



I. Population admixture section


nMonte3 provides you with frequencies related to your recent ancestry, and works best for individiuals of a non-mixed background. It is also very adept at detecting
subtle regional differences.


"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"


IT_Liguria IT_Emilia-Romagna IT_Tuscany IT_Lombardia IT_Marche IT_Veneto IT_Lazio IT_Trentino
7.106611 7.557949 7.761048 7.848771 9.142833 9.526429 9.949162 10.21612


"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE" (estimated percentages)
"distance%=5.9514"


IT_Liguria,33.4
IT_Lombardia,22.8
IT_Tuscany,8.4
IT_Ladinia,6.6
IT_Marche,5.6
IT_Lazio,4.6
IT_Veneto,3.4
Sauris_Friuli,3
Cimbri_Lessina,1.8
IT_Campania,1.8
Sicily_Agrigento,1.4
Sicily_Palermo,1.2
IT_Abruzzo,0.8
IT_Apulia,0.8
Sicily_Trapani,0.8
FR_Basque,0.4
IT_Calabria,0.4
Sicily_Caltanisetta,0.4
Sicily_Messina,0.4
FR_South-West,0.2
IT_Friuli,0.2
Sudetenland,0.2
TUN_Bizerta,0.2
TUN_Sousse,0.2

Admix4 oracle (two methods, one of them is more speculative) - all references


Least-squares method.


Using 1 population approximation:


1 IT_Liguria @ 7,121338
2 IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 7,491729
3 IT_Tuscany @ 7,763512
4 IT_Lombardia @ 7,863361
5 IT_Marche @ 9,14301
6 IT_Veneto @ 9,523406
7 IT_Lazio @ 9,950118
8 IT_Trentino @ 10,149658
9 IT_Ladinia @ 10,345232
10 IT_Friuli @ 10,571764
488 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:


1 Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 6,453777
2 Islas_Baleares+GR_Thessaly @ 6,461241
3 IT_Lazio+IT_Ladinia @ 6,527824
4 Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea @ 6,573916
5 IT_Lazio+IT_Veneto @ 6,576719
6 IT_Tuscany+IT_Ladinia @ 6,645734
7 Islas_Baleares+South_Albania @ 6,65631
8 Swiss_Italian+GR_Eubea @ 6,665912
9 IT_Lombardia+GR_Eubea @ 6,770862
10 Swiss_Italian+IT_Abruzzo @ 6,795091
119316 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:


1 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Eubea @ 5,553853
2 50% GR_Eubea +25% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares @ 5,651431
3 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Ipeiros @ 5,756701
4 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Thessaly @ 5,777034
5 50% IT_Lombardia +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 5,778835
6 50% GR_Eubea +25% IT_Lombardia +25% Islas_Baleares @ 5,780175
7 50% IT_Liguria +25% IT_Ladinia +25% GR_Ipeiros @ 5,803042
8 50% GR_Thessaly +25% IT_Tuscany +25% Asturia @ 5,81989
9 50% IT_Lombardia +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Chios @ 5,836639
10 50% IT_Liguria +25% IT_Lombardia +25% GR_Eubea @ 5,839799
42048280 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:


1 IT_Lombardia+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,489679
2 IT_Lombardia+IT_Abruzzo+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,493085
3 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,512265
4 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea @ 5,553853
5 IT_Tuscany+Asturia+GR_Thessaly+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,590509
6 IT_Marche+IT_Lombardia+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,593941
7 IT_Tuscany+Asturia+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,595645
8 IT_Lazio+IT_Lombardia+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,604482
9 IT_Lombardia+Sicily_Palermo+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,625995
10 IT_Lombardia+Sicily_Agrigento+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,62766
11 IT_Tuscany+Asturia+GR_Thessaly+GR_Eubea @ 5,632124
12 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea+North_Albania @ 5,635396
13 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea+Kosovo @ 5,638068
14 IT_Lombardia+Sicily_Trapani+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,645465
15 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea+GR_Eubea @ 5,651431
16 IT_Marche+IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea @ 5,659674
17 IT_Lombardia+IT_Campania+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,66311
18 Swiss_Italian+IT_Campania+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,669031
19 IT_Liguria+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,67655
20 IT_Lombardia+Asturia+GR_Thessaly+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,680977
705705132 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062


Using 1 population approximation:
1 IT_Tuscany @ 3,309671
2 IT_Liguria @ 3,38394
3 IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 3,508637
4 IT_Lombardia @ 3,754212
5 North_Albania @ 4,253021
6 IT_Abruzzo @ 4,335293
7 IT_Piemonte @ 4,434349
8 South_Albania @ 4,581939
9 IT_Friuli @ 4,648283
10 IT_Ladinia @ 4,669176
488 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:


1 IT_Lombardia+IT_Abruzzo @ 3,096748
2 IT_Tuscany+IT_Lombardia @ 3,113639
3 IT_Lazio+IT_Lombardia @ 3,116062
4 IT_Lazio+Swiss_Italian @ 3,139034
5 IT_Tuscany+IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 3,195713
6 IT_Tuscany+IT_Liguria @ 3,232746
7 IT_Lombardia+IT_Liguria @ 3,250675
8 Swiss_Italian+IT_Abruzzo @ 3,273168
9 IT_Lazio+IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 3,300874
10 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany @ 3,309671
119316 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:


1 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lombardia +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,841519
2 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lazio +25% GR_Ipeiros @ 2,861518
3 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lazio +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,870897
4 50% IT_Lombardia +25% Swiss_Italian +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,888782
5 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Emilia-Romagna +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,942705
6 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Tuscany +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,947302
7 50% IT_Lombardia +25% FR_Corsica +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,947811
8 50% Swiss_Italian +25% IT_Lazio +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,94874
9 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lombardia +25% GR_Chios @ 2,950766
10 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Tuscany +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,952012






II. Plots / dendrogram section

MDS (with minimum spanning tree)

Dendrogram (relevant part)

K36 Correlation Map (with the first 100 populations)

1 IT_Liguria 0,97144
2 IT_Tuscany 0,96844
3 IT_Emilia-Romagna 0,96786
4 IT_Lombardia 0,96586
5 IT_Marche 0,94934
6 IT_Lazio 0,94592
7 IT_Veneto 0,94202
8 Swiss_Italian 0,93606
9 FR_Corsica 0,93552
10 IT_Trentino 0,93455
11 IT_Ladinia 0,93124
12 IT_Friuli 0,92907
13 IT_Piemonte 0,92764
14 GR_Eubea 0,91439
15 North_Albania 0,91356
16 Kosovo 0,91226
17 Ipeiros 0,90729
18 IT_Abruzzo 0,90699
19 IT_Aosta 0,90698
20 South_Albania 0,90439
21 Dutch_Ashkenazy 0,90147
22 Albanians Montenegro 0,89705
23 GR_Thessaly 0,89566
24 Albanians_FYROM0,89023
25 Islas Baleares 0,88605
26 GR_Peloponese 0,87333
27 Sicily_Trapani 0,85991
28 IT_Apulia 0,85933
29 GR_Macedonia1 0,85814
30 GR_Thessaloniki 0,8578
31 Cataluna 0,85462
32 IT_Campania 0,85449
33 FR_Central 0,84844
34 GR_Central 0,84807
35 Portugal 0,84553
36 Sicily_Palermo 0,84173
37 ES_Galicia 0,83785
38 Sicily_Agrigento 0,83592
39 GR_Vlach 0,83539
40 FR_South0,83521
41 Macedonia_FYROM 0,83014
42 Sicily_Caltanisetta 0,82388
43 Canarias0,82387
44 Sicily_Ragusa 0,82283
45 GR_Andros 0,82092
46 Comunidad Valenciana 0,82079
47 Montenegro 0,8185
48 Malta 0,81659
49 GR_Kythira 0,81655
50 FR_Swiss 0,81549
51 IT_Calabria 0,81529
52 Principado de Asturias 0,81487
53 Sicily_Katania 0,81008
54 Sephardi_Portugal(Belmonte) 0,80905
55 Thrace 0,80845
56 Castilla y León 0,80778
57 Castilla-La Mancha 0,80778
58 Bulgaria 0,80592
59 Spanish_mixed 0,80193
60 GR_Cyclades 0,80068
61 Sicily_Messina 0,79839
62 FR_mixed 0,78965
63 Andalusia 0,78635
64 GR_Kalymnos 0,78627
65 Poland_Ashkenazy 0,78494
66 Swiss_German 0,78383
67 Romanian_Jew 0,78186
68 South_Romania 0,78026
69 Tirol 0,77822
70 GR_Chios 0,77181
71 South-East_Romania 0,77143
72 France_Ashkenazy 0,77098
73 Belarus_Ashkenazy 0,7664
74 Sephardi_Bulgaria0,76286
75 Extremadura 0,76198
76 German_Ashkenazy 0,76052
77 GR_Crete 0,75239
78 Latvia_Ashkenazy 0,75045
79 GR_Ikaria 0,74849
80 IT_Bolzano 0,74734
81 Italian_Jew 0,74702
82 Baden-Württemberg 0,74525
83 Serbia 0,74496
84 Cantabria 0,7379
85 Aragón 0,73624
86 North-West_Romania 0,73532
87 GR_Dodecanese 0,72207
88 Rheinland-Pfalz 0,72119
89 FR_North-East 0,70936
90 Saarland0,70847
91 Western Serbians 1 0,70219
92 Western Serbians 2 0,70219
93 North-East_Romania 0,6914
94 IT_Sardinia 0,68719
95 AustroHungarian_Ashkenazy 0,68653
96 La Rioja 0,68476
97 Moroccan_Jew 0,68311
98 Walloons0,68116
99 South-West_Romania 0,67902
100 Sephardi_Turkey 0,66679

 

[Stuvanè]

I must say that in the same way I appreciated the Eurogenes K36 calculator combined with the Oracle of nMonte with reference to the findings of Szólád, Collegno and other ancient and late antique samples (it's available on yourdnaportal.com)


[h=2]Closest population distances[/h][TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed, width: 540"]
[TR]
[TH="align: center"][h=3]Population[/h][/TH]
[TH="align: center"][h=3]Distance[/h][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]CL36_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]0.9910701[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]SZ36_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.1891711[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]SZ28_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.2160251[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]CL121__north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.3294021[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]SZ43_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.4221923[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]SZ32_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.4702894[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]CL23_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.4754335[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.512881[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



[h=2]Population percentages[/h]
Population Value

SZ28_north-Italian 24
CL121__north-Italian 16.2
SZ36_north-Italian 12.6
CL23_north-Italian 6.2
SZ18_Pannonian 6
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 5.4
CL36_north-Italian 4.6
SZ19_Italian-Balkan 2.6
EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 2.4
CL47_Alpine 2.2
BA_I9041_Mycenaean 1.6
CL38_Greek_south-Italian 1.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE412 1.2
N_Levant_AinGhazal4 1
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 1
I3578_EMA_Andalusia 0.8
BA_Hungary_BR2 0.6
CHL_Anatolian_I1584 0.6
CL30_Greek_south-Italian 0.6
DA199HungaryMedieval 0.6
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent 0.6
MN_Germany_I0559 0.6
SZ32_north-Italian 0.6
EMA_Greek_STR_300 0.4
I10851_medieval_Catalonia 0.4
I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.4
MBA_Germany__RISE471 0.4
N_Germany_I0048 0.4
SZ38_Longobard 0.4
SZ45_Pannonian 0.4
BA_Hungary_RISE374 0.2
BA_I9006_Mycenean 0.2
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032 0.2
BA_Sydon 0.2
CHL_Armenia_I1407 0.2
CHL_Iran_I1665 0.2
CL94_Iberian 0.2
CWC_Poland_RISE1 0.2
EIA_F38_Iran 0.2
EMA_Italian_STR_502 0.2
EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 0.2
EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 0.2
I10892_Catalonia_medieval 0.2
I1388_Beaker_South_France 0.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE397 0.2
MN_Iberia_I0407 0.2
N_Germany_I0795 0.2
N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2 0.2
Scythian009_Ukraine 0.2
i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 0.2

[h=3][/h][h=4]

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[/h]

 

[Angela]

I had also run the LM K36 ancestral report last year.
At that time the pie chart was not present to depict the admixture, but only the nearest populations, nor the map with Euclidean values. In any case, the results have always seemed to me to be correct and rather reliable: only some doubts about the reporting of Liguria as my first reference population. Since I don't see nearby Ligurian ancestors in my genealogy, the hypothesis I had then advanced is that in my autosomal some important component attributable to the ancient Friniates, a people who lived in the high plains and the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines, is somehow encrypted. They lived mainly in the most internal areas of the provinces of Reggio Emilia, Modena, Pistoia. After the wars and defeats against the Romans in the second century BC if I remember correctly, many of them were deported to various areas, including the plain.
I suppose that for this same reason many of the ancient Samples that attribute to me Mytrueancestry (often ancient and medieval Iberians) are similar to this ancient Ligurian (or Celto-Ligurian) population.



I. Population admixture section


nMonte3 provides you with frequencies related to your recent ancestry, and works best for individiuals of a non-mixed background. It is also very adept at detecting
subtle regional differences.


"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"


IT_Liguria IT_Emilia-Romagna IT_Tuscany IT_Lombardia IT_Marche IT_Veneto IT_Lazio IT_Trentino
7.106611 7.557949 7.761048 7.848771 9.142833 9.526429 9.949162 10.21612


"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE" (estimated percentages)
"distance%=5.9514"


IT_Liguria,33.4
IT_Lombardia,22.8
IT_Tuscany,8.4
IT_Ladinia,6.6
IT_Marche,5.6
IT_Lazio,4.6
IT_Veneto,3.4
Sauris_Friuli,3
Cimbri_Lessina,1.8
IT_Campania,1.8
Sicily_Agrigento,1.4
Sicily_Palermo,1.2
IT_Abruzzo,0.8
IT_Apulia,0.8
Sicily_Trapani,0.8
FR_Basque,0.4
IT_Calabria,0.4
Sicily_Caltanisetta,0.4
Sicily_Messina,0.4
FR_South-West,0.2
IT_Friuli,0.2
Sudetenland,0.2
TUN_Bizerta,0.2
TUN_Sousse,0.2

I was just reading about that last night in my book on Northern Italy during the Roman Era. It was a deliberate policy pursued by the Romans to "pacify" the area and bring the people under the control of the large urban centers they were establishing. Of course, not all of them went. In the 500s of the modern era, some "hill" people were still hiding out in the lower Apennines in the Lunigiana worshiping their stone idols, because the chronicles say the Bishop of Sarzana had to send priests up there to smash them.

However, Liguria is, for such a small province, very diverse genetically in my experience, western from eastern, coastal from foothills of the mountains. I don't know what sample they're using. Where the samples were collected could explain the closeness.

For example, if it's the sample incorrectly labeled Piemonte that some people use, the people speak a Ligurian dialect, and the villages all have Ligure in their names, but the area borders Piemonte, Lombardia, and Emilia as well as Liguria. It can't be categorized as strictly "Ligurian", but neither is it really Piemonte. It's its own particular "mix" of Northern Italian. I think if enough people up in the northern Apennines and the Apuan Alps were tested before the real "locals" all die off, you'd find differences from valley to valley, as is the case in mountainous parts of Northeastern Italy.

 

[Angela]

I was just reading about that last night in my book on Northern Italy during the Roman Era. It was a deliberate policy pursued by the Romans to "pacify" the area and bring the people under the control of the large urban centers they were establishing. Of course, not all of them went. In the 500s of the modern era, some "hill" people were still hiding out in the lower Apennines in the Lunigiana worshiping their stone idols, because the chronicles say the Bishop of Sarzana had to send priests up there to smash them.

However, Liguria is, for such a small province, very diverse genetically in my experience, western from eastern, coastal from foothills of the mountains. I don't know what sample they're using. Where the samples were collected could explain the closeness.

For example, if it's the sample incorrectly labeled Piemonte that some people use, the people speak a Ligurian dialect, and the villages all have Ligure in their names, but the area borders Piemonte, Lombardia, and Emilia as well as Liguria. It can't be categorized as strictly "Ligurian", but neither is it really Piemonte. It's its own particular "mix" of Northern Italian. I think if enough people up in the northern Apennines and the Apuan Alps were tested before the real "locals" all die off, you'd find differences from valley to valley, as is the case in mountainous parts of Northeastern Italy.

I've been clearing out drawers and came upon some older pictures of my brother. He's your "type", although lighter haired, if I may make a personal comment: a real Emilian.

As soon as I get a minute I'll upload it and send it to you.

 

[Joey37]

To those of you who have tested with more than one service, have you compared the kits at Mytrueancestry.com? My 23andMe kit and Ancestry kit give somewhat divergent results. Since I am a mere peasant who refuses to pay for upgrades, I had to delete one kit and replace it with the other. On my Ancestry kit my closest matches are Franks, Visigoths, and Icelandic Vikings, with degree of separation 5-6, while my 23andMe kit the closest people are Gauls, Franks, and Visigoths, with degrees 7-10. My closest sample Ancestry match is Bell Beaker Scotland, 3.66, while in 23andMe Bell Beaker Scotland is third closest with 8.352! (my closest 23andMe sample is Germanic Lombard, 7.901). At GEDmatch I ran Eurogenes K36 on both kits and averaged out between them (it was the same components on both, but slightly different percentages), then put in the averages to the French Taux de Similitude map and got this

 

[Angela]

Slightly different from yours, Stuvane, as makes sense given I'm further west and closer to Toscana.

I'm intrigued by the poor Italian stranded in Germany.

[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed, width: 540"]
[TR]
[TH="align: center"][h=3]Population[/h][/TH]
[TH="align: center"][h=3]Distance[/h][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]SZ36_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.06171[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]CL36_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.106543[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.257098[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]CL23_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.38232[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]SZ32_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.385821[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]SZ43_north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.438646[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]CL121__north-Italian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.574715[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"][h=4]CL94_Iberian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"][h=4]1.610857[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The dash of Iberian like ancestry is no surprise either. It shows up with modern populations too.

Closer than I am to any modern populations, btw. Maybe it has something to do with the isolation of both of my areas of ancestry? I'm pretty far from both modern Bergamo and Toscana, around 4 something for both.

[h=4]Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c[/h][h=4]24.8[/h][h=4]CL36_north-Italian[/h][h=4]10.8[/h][h=4]SZ36_north-Italian[/h][h=4]9[/h][h=4]CL23_north-Italian[/h][h=4]7.8[/h][h=4]SZ40_Italian[/h][h=4]6.6[/h][h=4]EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1[/h][h=4]5.2[/h][h=4]CL94_Iberian[/h][h=4]4.8[/h][h=4]SZ43_north-Italian[/h][h=4]4[/h][h=4]CL121__north-Italian[/h][h=4]3.8[/h][h=4]I3578_EMA_Andalusia[/h][h=4]2.6[/h][h=4]SZ37_Greek-Italian[/h][h=4]2.6[/h][h=4]BA_Hungary_RISE483[/h][h=4]2.4[/h][h=4]CL30_Greek_south-Italian[/h][h=4]2.2[/h][h=4]i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD[/h][h=4]1.8[/h][h=4]BA_I9041_Mycenaean[/h][h=4]1.6[/h][h=4]CL102_Frankish[/h][h=4]1.4[/h][h=4]BA_Hungary_RISE374[/h][h=4]1[/h][h=4]CHL_Armenia_I1407[/h][h=4]1[/h][h=4]SZ19_Italian-Balkan[/h][h=4]0.8[/h][h=4]CL31_Greek_Balkan[/h][h=4]0.6[/h][h=4]N_Levant__AinGhazal3[/h][h=4]0.6[/h][h=4]BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi[/h][h=4]0.4[/h][h=4]CL87_Longobard[/h][h=4]0.4[/h][h=4]I3759_Celtiberian[/h][h=4]0.4[/h][h=4]LBA_Armenia_RISE396[/h][h=4]0.4[/h][h=4]SZ14_Longobard[/h][h=4]0.4[/h][h=4]Visigoth_I12032[/h][h=4]0.4[/h][h=4]Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]CHL_Iran_I1665[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]CHL_Iran_I1670[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]CWC_Swden__RISE179[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]EMA_Alpine_AED_513[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]I1979_Beaker_North_Italy[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]LBA_Armenia_RISE397[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]LBA_Armenia_RISE408[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]MBA_Armenia_RISE423[/h][h=4]0.2[/h][h=4]i3759_Celtiberian_IA[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]

 

[Stuvanè]

Slightly different from yours, Stuvane, as makes sense given I'm further west and closer to Toscana.

I'm intrigued by the poor Italian stranded in Germany.

[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed, width: 540"]
[TR]
[TH="align: center"]Population
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Distance
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ36_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.06171
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL36_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.106543
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.257098
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL23_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.38232
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ32_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.385821
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ43_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.438646
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL121__north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.574715
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL94_Iberian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.610857
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The dash of Iberian like ancestry is no surprise either. It shows up with modern populations too.

Closer than I am to any modern populations, btw. Maybe it has something to do with the isolation of both of my areas of ancestry? I'm pretty far from both modern Bergamo and Toscana, around 4 something for both.

Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c

24.8

CL36_north-Italian

10.8

SZ36_north-Italian

9

CL23_north-Italian

7.8

SZ40_Italian

6.6

EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1

5.2

CL94_Iberian

4.8

SZ43_north-Italian

4

CL121__north-Italian

3.8

I3578_EMA_Andalusia

2.6

SZ37_Greek-Italian

2.6

BA_Hungary_RISE483

2.4

CL30_Greek_south-Italian

2.2

i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD

1.8

BA_I9041_Mycenaean

1.6

CL102_Frankish

1.4

BA_Hungary_RISE374

1

CHL_Armenia_I1407

1

SZ19_Italian-Balkan

0.8

CL31_Greek_Balkan

0.6

N_Levant__AinGhazal3

0.6

BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi

0.4

CL87_Longobard

0.4

I3759_Celtiberian

0.4

LBA_Armenia_RISE396

0.4

SZ14_Longobard

0.4

Visigoth_I12032

0.4

Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248

0.2

CHL_Iran_I1665

0.2

CHL_Iran_I1670

0.2

CWC_Swden__RISE179

0.2

EMA_Alpine_AED_513

0.2

I1979_Beaker_North_Italy

0.2

IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL

0.2

LBA_Armenia_RISE397

0.2

LBA_Armenia_RISE408

0.2

MBA_Armenia_RISE423

0.2

i3759_Celtiberian_IA

0.2

Yes, that "italian" guy, lost among Alemanni groups, is really intriguing Maybe a frontier soldier or a merchant put in a situation not very dissimilar from that Greek - of which Priscus of Panion spoke - who had gone to live with Attila's Huns, even finding a Hun wife, because he was tired of abuse and corruption of decadent Rome...

Btw here is a paper

https://bia.unibz.it/bitstream/hand...y Medieval Alemannic graveyard.pdf?sequence=2

 

[Duarte]

I must say that in the same way I appreciated the Eurogenes K36 calculator combined with the Oracle of nMonte with reference to the findings of Szólád, Collegno and other ancient and late antique samples (it's available on yourdnaportal.com)


Closest population distances

[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed, width: 540"]
[TR]
[TH="align: center"]Population[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Distance[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL36_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.9910701[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ36_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.1891711[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ28_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.2160251[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL121__north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.3294021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ43_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.4221923[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ32_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.4702894[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL23_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.4754335[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.512881[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Population percentages


Population Value

SZ28_north-Italian 24
CL121__north-Italian 16.2
SZ36_north-Italian 12.6
CL23_north-Italian 6.2
SZ18_Pannonian 6
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 5.4
CL36_north-Italian 4.6
SZ19_Italian-Balkan 2.6
EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 2.4
CL47_Alpine 2.2
BA_I9041_Mycenaean 1.6
CL38_Greek_south-Italian 1.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE412 1.2
N_Levant_AinGhazal4 1
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 1
I3578_EMA_Andalusia 0.8
BA_Hungary_BR2 0.6
CHL_Anatolian_I1584 0.6
CL30_Greek_south-Italian 0.6
DA199HungaryMedieval 0.6
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent 0.6
MN_Germany_I0559 0.6
SZ32_north-Italian 0.6
EMA_Greek_STR_300 0.4
I10851_medieval_Catalonia 0.4
I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.4
MBA_Germany__RISE471 0.4
N_Germany_I0048 0.4
SZ38_Longobard 0.4
SZ45_Pannonian 0.4
BA_Hungary_RISE374 0.2
BA_I9006_Mycenean 0.2
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032 0.2
BA_Sydon 0.2
CHL_Armenia_I1407 0.2
CHL_Iran_I1665 0.2
CL94_Iberian 0.2
CWC_Poland_RISE1 0.2
EIA_F38_Iran 0.2
EMA_Italian_STR_502 0.2
EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 0.2
EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 0.2
I10892_Catalonia_medieval 0.2
I1388_Beaker_South_France 0.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE397 0.2
MN_Iberia_I0407 0.2
N_Germany_I0795 0.2
N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2 0.2
Scythian009_Ukraine 0.2
i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 0.2

Slightly different from yours, Stuvane, as makes sense given I'm further west and closer to Toscana.

I'm intrigued by the poor Italian stranded in Germany.

[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed, width: 540"]
[TR]
[TH="align: center"]Population[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Distance[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ36_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.06171[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL36_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.106543[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.257098[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL23_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.38232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ32_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.385821[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ43_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.438646[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL121__north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.574715[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL94_Iberian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.610857[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The dash of Iberian like ancestry is no surprise either. It shows up with modern populations too.

Closer than I am to any modern populations, btw. Maybe it has something to do with the isolation of both of my areas of ancestry? I'm pretty far from both modern Bergamo and Toscana, around 4 something for both.

Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c

24.8

CL36_north-Italian

10.8

SZ36_north-Italian

9

CL23_north-Italian

7.8

SZ40_Italian

6.6

EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1

5.2

CL94_Iberian

4.8

SZ43_north-Italian

4

CL121__north-Italian

3.8

I3578_EMA_Andalusia

2.6

SZ37_Greek-Italian

2.6

BA_Hungary_RISE483

2.4

CL30_Greek_south-Italian

2.2

i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD

1.8

BA_I9041_Mycenaean

1.6

CL102_Frankish

1.4

BA_Hungary_RISE374

1

CHL_Armenia_I1407

1

SZ19_Italian-Balkan

0.8

CL31_Greek_Balkan

0.6

N_Levant__AinGhazal3

0.6

BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi

0.4

CL87_Longobard

0.4

I3759_Celtiberian

0.4

LBA_Armenia_RISE396

0.4

SZ14_Longobard

0.4

Visigoth_I12032

0.4

Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248

0.2

CHL_Iran_I1665

0.2

CHL_Iran_I1670

0.2

CWC_Swden__RISE179

0.2

EMA_Alpine_AED_513

0.2

I1979_Beaker_North_Italy

0.2

IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL

0.2

LBA_Armenia_RISE397

0.2

LBA_Armenia_RISE408

0.2

MBA_Armenia_RISE423

0.2

i3759_Celtiberian_IA

0.2

@Stuvanè @Angela

I think that “Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36 of yourdnaportal.com” is a cool calculator, but in my particular case, it takes a little more effort in interpreting the results so as not to come to the hasty conclusion that I am an Italo-descendant and not a Luso-descendant

Hugs dear friends.


Your nMonte3 oracle results nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36


Closest population distances

[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed, width: 325"]
[TR]
[TH="align: center"]Population
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Distance
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_north-Italian_FN_2
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.094853
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL94_Iberian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.426082
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL36_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.45807
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE373
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.583685
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL57_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.657397
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ43_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.663955
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL23_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.762547
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ45_Pannonian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.788929
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Population percentages

​

[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed, width: 325"]
[TR]
[TH="align: center"]Population
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Value
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_north-Italian_FN_2
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]45.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I3578_EMA_Andalusia
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]14
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE373
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]8.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL57_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]5.6
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL36_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]4.8
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ43_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE247
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.8
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE374
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]MN_Germany_I0560
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ18_Pannonian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE480
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.8
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_Balkan_AED_125
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.8
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]MA2197_Anatolia_IA
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.8
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Greece_Revenia5
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.6
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Hungary_NE4
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.6
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Sweden_Gokhem5
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.6
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.6
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_I9041_Mycenaean
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL121__north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL63_Alpine
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL94_Iberian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CWC_Denmark_RISE61
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_Alpine_STR_328
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Sweden_Gokhem4
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ28_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]Amerindian_Kennewick
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_BR2
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE371
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Unetice_Germany_I0117
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL47_Alpine
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_Alpine_STR_535
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_Greek_STR_300
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I1767_Beaker_Britain
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I1979_Beaker_North_Italy
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]MN_Germany_I0807
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Germany_I0048
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Hungary_NE2
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Hungary_NE3
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ37_Greek-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ38_Longobard
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ42_Longobard
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]TAF009_Iberomaurasian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]ela001_South_Africa_400BP
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Stuvanè]

@Stuvanè @Angela

I think that “Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36 of yourdnaportal.com” is a cool calculator, but in my particular case, it takes a little more effort in interpreting the results so as not to come to the hasty conclusion that I am an Italo-descendant and not a Luso-descendant

Hugs dear friends.


Your nMonte3 oracle results nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36


Closest population distances

[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed, width: 325"]
[TR]
[TH="align: center"]Population[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Distance[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_north-Italian_FN_2[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.094853[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL94_Iberian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.426082[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL36_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.45807[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE373[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.583685[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL57_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.657397[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ43_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.663955[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL23_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.762547[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ45_Pannonian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.788929[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Population percentages

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[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed, width: 325"]
[TR]
[TH="align: center"]Population[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Value[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_north-Italian_FN_2[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]45.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I3578_EMA_Andalusia[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE373[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]8.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL57_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]5.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL36_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]4.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ43_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE247[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE374[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]MN_Germany_I0560[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ18_Pannonian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE480[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_Balkan_AED_125[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]MA2197_Anatolia_IA[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Greece_Revenia5[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Hungary_NE4[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Sweden_Gokhem5[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_I9041_Mycenaean[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL121__north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL63_Alpine[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL94_Iberian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CWC_Denmark_RISE61[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_Alpine_STR_328[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Sweden_Gokhem4[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ28_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]Amerindian_Kennewick[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_BR2[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Hungary_RISE371[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]BA_Unetice_Germany_I0117[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]CL47_Alpine[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_Alpine_STR_535[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_Greek_STR_300[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I1767_Beaker_Britain[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I1979_Beaker_North_Italy[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]MN_Germany_I0807[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Germany_I0048[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Hungary_NE2[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]N_Hungary_NE3[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ37_Greek-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ38_Longobard[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]SZ42_Longobard[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]TAF009_Iberomaurasian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]
[TD="class: text-left, align: center"]ela001_South_Africa_400BP[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right, align: center"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

@Duarte,

In fact the matter is curious , but sifting through several previous posts I notice that you are not the only person of Iberian ancestry who has similarity to these medieval samples of northern Italy (of which I have not yet understood much and I wonder if there is around some publications on the subject).
The hypothesis I put forward is that it may be some individual not dissimilar to certain samples of today in northern Italy (Bergamo in particular), also used in Gedmatch calculators, in whose ancestral components the "Atlantic" quota is abundant and thus become almost "facsimiles" of the ancient Iberians

 

[Jovialis]

Here is mine:

 

[Duarte]

@Duarte,

In fact the matter is curious , but sifting through several previous posts I notice that you are not the only person of Iberian ancestry who has similarity to these medieval samples of northern Italy (of which I have not yet understood much and I wonder if there is around some publications on the subject).
The hypothesis I put forward is that it may be some individual not dissimilar to certain samples of today in northern Italy (Bergamo in particular), also used in Gedmatch calculators, in whose ancestral components the "Atlantic" quota is abundant and thus become almost "facsimiles" of the ancient Iberians

You are right @ Stuvanè. One of the things I learned reading the Eupedia threads is that there is some genetic overlap between Northern Italians and Iberians. Good thing I am now instructed about this. The report presented by LM Genetics is quite complete and even displays the results of an nMonte3 calculator that they consider highly speculative and that I present below as a mere curiosity. I endorse the caution they made, since if I were to consider the results presented literally I would throw away all the effort that I have done to comprove my main ancestry as Portuguese. LOLOL. Big hug dear friend.

 

[Salento]

K36 Ancient

... on a need to know basis ...

Edit:
Omit the long non important results, ... ‘cause of Reverse Data Engineering (figuring out pre-oracle results, or partial Raw-Data / SNPs by using the numbers of the results (breach of privacy) :grin:

 

[torzio]

mine



below the tuscan numbers are basically useless

 

[torzio]

K36 Ancient

... on a need to know basis ...

Edit:
... ‘cause of Reverse Data Engineering :grin:

where is this program ?

 

[Salento]

where is this program ?

K36 with Ancient Genome Oracle

yourdnaportal.com

 

[torzio]

K36 with Ancient Genome Oracle

yourdnaportal.com

Thanks I lost everything when my old PC died......got a new one....so fast it loads before i even sit down

Closest population distances

[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed"]
[TR]
[TH]Population
[/TH]
[TH]Distance
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.197928
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]CL36_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.237396
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]CL57_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.330768
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]SZ28_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.438457
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]SZ43_north-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.541763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]CL63_Alpine
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.577491
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]SZ37_Greek-Italian
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.615911
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]BA_Hungary_BR2
[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.63093
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

............................................


[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed"]
[TR]
[TH][h=3]Population[/h][/TH]
[TH][h=3]Percentage[/h][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"][h=4]Amerindian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"][h=4]0.00%[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"][h=4]Siberian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"][h=4]0.00%[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"][h=4]Euro Hunter-Gatherer[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"][h=4]41.13%[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"][h=4]Oceanian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"][h=4]0.63%[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"][h=4]Sub-Saharan[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"][h=4]0.04%[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"][h=4]Southeast Asian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"][h=4]0.00%[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"][h=4]Linearbandkeramik[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"][h=4]41.01%[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"][h=4]South-Central Asian[/h][/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"][h=4]17.20%[/h][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Salento]

Thanks I lost everything when my old PC died......got a new one....so fast it loads before i even sit down
Closest population distances
[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed"]
[TR]
[TH]Population[/TH]
[TH]Distance[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.197928[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]CL36_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.237396[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]CL57_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.330768[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]SZ28_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.438457[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]SZ43_north-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.541763[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]CL63_Alpine[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.577491[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]SZ37_Greek-Italian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.615911[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]BA_Hungary_BR2[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]1.63093[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
............................................
[TABLE="class: table table-striped table-condensed"]
[TR]
[TH]Population[/TH]
[TH]Percentage[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]Euro Hunter-Gatherer[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]41.13%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]0.63%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]0.04%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]Southeast Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]0.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]Linearbandkeramik[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]41.01%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: text-left"]South-Central Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: text-right"]17.20%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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