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[Salento]

Scythian Southern Moldova (deep dive)

 

[torzio]

Scythian Southern Moldova (deep dive)

I only have this one from that same area

 

[torzio]

my father only has this

Scythian Moldova 300 BC


scy301





mtDNA: [Upgrade to see]Y-DNA: [Upgrade to see]
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 28)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 17.04 cM
Largest chain: 113 SNPs / 14.75 cM


Your raw DNA is 60% closer than other matching users..................says 60%

 

[Salento]

Do you really think? If they find there that one of 10 SNPs matches those of the ancient character, then they say he's your brother, I think.

sometimes, ... not that often, I’ve been known to think too

I’m just a consumer of this product.

 

[Duarte]

My Scythian matches

 

[Carlos]

How interesting philistine and avar. It is said that the Philistines were an Egyptian branch in the Near East and received contributions from southern Europe for a period and then became more local, how short-lived the contributions are for some and how much for others.

It seems to be that and according to the story that the Philistines were diluted in the Aquemenid Empire that apparently and according to the sources began in 550 b.c. and came to occupy the current territories of Iran, Iraq, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Russia, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Greece and Egypt and whose capitals were Babylon and Persepolis and whose dissolution was in 330 b.c.

 

[Ozzie]

I get SZ19. It is a "Langobard" from a Langobard cemetery in Hungary. That person is not of Northern European origin but of Central Italian origin.

Does anyone get Oetzi? 3300 BC, 91.48 cM.

 

[Pax Augusta]

I get SZ19. It is a "Langobard" from a Langobard cemetery in Hungary. That person is not of Northern European origin but of Central Italian origin.

Does anyone get Oetzi? 3300 BC, 91.48 cM.

There were unlikely Central Italians in Hungary, Mytrueancestry's labels are invented and completely inaccurate. Any kind of similarity has likely nothing to do with Italians but with a genetic profile that could very well have been present in Hungary at that precise time. SZ19 was a female and similar to a sample from Iron Age Bulgaria I5769.

 

[Ozzie]

SZ19's genetic profile has nothing to do with Mytrueancestry, it comes from genetic testing of remains from Langobard cemeteries in Italy and Hungary. Maybe the researchers were wrong, or they did not use a wider array of reference samples instead of the TSI (Tuscan) or the IBS (Spanish) or the Northern European samples from Britain, the Utah Americans and a Finn sample. SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample. The dead person may have been born in the Italian peninsula or her parents may have been slaves taken to Hungary from Italia. Who knows?

I was born in the extreme south of Europe, and I have never had a population that matched me that came from anywhere other than Southern Europe (Italy and Greece). Now had Mytrueancestry had varous Keltic or other Northern European groups matching me, then sure, their results would be total rubbish. Maybe Mytrueancestry should label SZ19: Langobard Cemetery SZ19, Hungary. It won't alter the fact the woman was Southern European genetically, not Central or Northern European.

 

[torzio]

How interesting philistine and avar. It is said that the Philistines were an Egyptian branch in the Near East and received contributions from southern Europe for a period and then became more local, how short-lived the contributions are for some and how much for others.

It seems to be that and according to the story that the Philistines were diluted in the Aquemenid Empire that apparently and according to the sources began in 550 b.c. and came to occupy the current territories of Iran, Iraq, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Russia, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Greece and Egypt and whose capitals were Babylon and Persepolis and whose dissolution was in 330 b.c.

Philistines came from eastern Crete

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/ancient-dna-reveal-philistine-origins/

further archeology done by the israeli's in Ashkelon since 2019 , further proves they are cretan in origin

 

[Carlos]

Philistines came from eastern Crete

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/ancient-dna-reveal-philistine-origins/

further archeology done by the israeli's in Ashkelon since 2019 , further proves they are cretan in origin

They are mentioned in the "table of nations" in the Book of Genesis, where they are attributed to be descendants of Mizraim (i.e., from Egypt), as are the Kaftorim (i.e., those of Kaftor); since the latter have been related to the people the Egyptians called Keftiu (supposedly of Cretan origin), several theories have developed from there that determine that the origin of the Philistine people would be in Crete, the Aegean Sea or Asia Minor. This relationship, however, is also a matter of academic debate. Recent DNA analysis of individuals buried in the Philistine city of Ascalon shows that the Philistines were an intrusive population in the Middle East and that their closest relatives were in Sardinia, Greece or Spain, and were of European origin.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filisteos#Origen

Another puzzle as in almost all the cases we are dealing with. To say categorically that they were from Crete is not very convincing. It should have been a composition like everything we are seeing around here lately in reference to other ethnicities e.t.c.

Why haven't you published the haplogroups of this study in the article?


I have been curious to see my results during the time of the Archemenid Empire.

 

[Pax Augusta]

SZ19's genetic profile has nothing to do with Mytrueancestry, it comes from genetic testing of remains from Langobard cemeteries in Italy and Hungary. Maybe the researchers were wrong, or they did not use a wider array of reference samples instead of the TSI (Tuscan) or the IBS (Spanish) or the Northern European samples from Britain, the Utah Americans and a Finn sample. SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample. The dead person may have been born in the Italian peninsula or her parents may have been slaves taken to Hungary from Italia. Who knows?

I was born in the extreme south of Europe, and I have never had a population that matched me that came from anywhere other than Southern Europe (Italy and Greece). Now had Mytrueancestry had varous Keltic or other Northern European groups matching me, then sure, their results would be total rubbish. Maybe Mytrueancestry should label SZ19: Langobard Cemetery SZ19, Hungary. It won't alter the fact the woman was Southern European genetically, not Central or Northern European.

In the paper SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample because they used very few reference samples in the study, IBS covers more the southwestern Europe and TSI the southern-central and southern-eastern Europe, so it was an extremely rough calculation. The paper had neither the interest nor the necessary samples to make the results more precise. These models cannot in any way suggest an exact provenance. You cannot expect that in Central Europe there were only people like the modern Hungarians (Central European) or the early Lombards (northern European), it was a period of great movements. SZ19 could have been of mixed ancestry and we will never know where she came from.

This was posted by Duarte a couple of years ago:

Kit Number: Z947904 (96,401 SNPs)
Name: SZ19
1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.377185
1 Greek_Macedonia + Sardinian + Sicilian_Center + Sicilian_Center @ 3.155044

Just another estimate

Ancestry composition of sample: SZ19 Population: Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_o1 Medieval Europe

http://open-genomes.org/analysis/PC...-0-limit-0-only-Modern-exclude-Ashkenazi_Jew&


Even comparing SZ19 with the other ancient samples does not give a definite answer of a provenance from Italy.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

SZ19's genetic profile has nothing to do with Mytrueancestry, it comes from genetic testing of remains from Langobard cemeteries in Italy and Hungary. Maybe the researchers were wrong, or they did not use a wider array of reference samples instead of the TSI (Tuscan) or the IBS (Spanish) or the Northern European samples from Britain, the Utah Americans and a Finn sample. SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample. The dead person may have been born in the Italian peninsula or her parents may have been slaves taken to Hungary from Italia. Who knows?

I was born in the extreme south of Europe, and I have never had a population that matched me that came from anywhere other than Southern Europe (Italy and Greece). Now had Mytrueancestry had varous Keltic or other Northern European groups matching me, then sure, their results would be total rubbish. Maybe Mytrueancestry should label SZ19: Langobard Cemetery SZ19, Hungary. It won't alter the fact the woman was Southern European genetically, not Central or Northern European.

Ozzie: A follow up to your post and Pax Augusta's, take a look at the paper by Amorim et al (2018) published in Nature entitled "Understanding 6th-century barbarian social organization and migration through paleogenomics". Figure 3 is one that I think makes things very clear, if you don't want to read through the paper. As Pax Augusta noted, the ancestry in those 2 sites is varied showing affinities with various populations in Europe. The ones in Blue seem to have more affinity with Central and Northern Europeans, the ones in Read Southern, for the most part.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4

All of my ancestors are from Sicily (rural regions of Trapani, Palermo, Agrigento from the Belice Valley to the mountain regions of Agrigento) immigrating to the USA between 1890 and 1905. I too get 3 Deep Dive matches at My True Ancestry, the samples CL36 (which is excluded in the study do to falling outside the same time period), SZ32 and CL38.

My distances using Eurogenes K13, only because it is the only one that I think has the samples from the Amorim et al 2018 paper. I used a gradiant of 100 to clearly show the distances. I also included the Single estimation for the Model which gives me a distance of 1.3 with SZ40, SZ32, SZ19, CL25 and CL31 being sources. I reviewed those samples and all have the Red (TSI) as a predominate source of ancestry. Of course, that does not mean those samples came from Tuscany (maybe they did), but suggest TSI is a proxy that captures the their ancestry. Had they used other population averages from different regions of Italy, maybe it shows from Campania, Puglia, etc, etc. Anyway, the fact that you are getting some links is not out of the question but at the same time I don' want to speak for you or anyone else for that matter.

Regard, PT

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[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1DFF00, align: right"]2.83136010[/TD]
[TD]SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #63FF00, align: right"]9.74105230[/TD]
[TD]CL121_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6FFF00, align: right"]10.92390498[/TD]
[TD]SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #75FF00, align: right"]11.47086745[/TD]
[TD]CL38_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #79FF00, align: right"]11.88104373[/TD]
[TD]CL30_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]12.61992076[/TD]
[TD]SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #81FF00, align: right"]12.62005547[/TD]
[TD]CL25_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8AFF00, align: right"]13.54852390[/TD]
[TD]SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8DFF00, align: right"]13.81725733[/TD]
[TD]SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8EFF00, align: right"]13.90545576[/TD]
[TD]SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A5FF00, align: right"]16.18128240[/TD]
[TD]SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A5FF00, align: right"]16.21174574[/TD]
[TD]SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]16.43947688[/TD]
[TD]SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B0FF00, align: right"]17.21992741[/TD]
[TD]CL36_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C9FF00, align: right"]19.74447771[/TD]
[TD]CL31_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DBFF00, align: right"]21.47632417[/TD]
[TD]CL23_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DDFF00, align: right"]21.64031885[/TD]
[TD]SZ28_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFA00, align: right"]25.45926550[/TD]
[TD]SZ27_Hungary_Langobard_1475_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF800, align: right"]25.69002919[/TD]
[TD]CL49_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE400, align: right"]27.63334761[/TD]
[TD]CL94_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]28.00719550[/TD]
[TD]SZ45_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD800, align: right"]28.83064342[/TD]
[TD]CL57_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD000, align: right"]29.56902433[/TD]
[TD]CL47_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCF00, align: right"]29.74667040[/TD]
[TD]SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC200, align: right"]31.02043359[/TD]
[TD]CL53_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB700, align: right"]32.04210667[/TD]
[TD]CL63_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA100, align: right"]34.18694195[/TD]
[TD]SZ5_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8300, align: right"]37.16028794[/TD]
[TD]CL102_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7D00, align: right"]37.74321926[/TD]
[TD]SZ3_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7200, align: right"]38.78335468[/TD]
[TD]SZ23_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6400, align: right"]40.24229119[/TD]
[TD]SZ38_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]40.93615273[/TD]
[TD]SZ24_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5B00, align: right"]41.06428862[/TD]
[TD]SZ42_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5900, align: right"]41.24250114[/TD]
[TD]SZ8_Hungary_Langobard_sister.SZ14_sister.SZ6_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4A00, align: right"]42.71424118[/TD]
[TD]SZ25_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4000, align: right"]43.69781802[/TD]
[TD]CL87_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3900, align: right"]44.38773705[/TD]
[TD]SZ14_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]45.16650086[/TD]
[TD]SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2C00, align: right"]45.70292660[/TD]
[TD]SZ30_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2200, align: right"]46.69101627[/TD]
[TD]SZ11_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0D00, align: right"]48.72746043[/TD]
[TD]SZ22_Longobard_[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0C00, align: right"]48.78355358[/TD]
[TD]SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0C00, align: right"]48.80596582[/TD]
[TD]CL83_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0A00, align: right"]48.99489667[/TD]
[TD]SZ7_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0800, align: right"]49.19634743[/TD]
[TD]CL92_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0100, align: right"]49.87138458[/TD]
[TD]CL84_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0006, align: right"]50.57795666[/TD]
[TD]CL93_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000C, align: right"]51.17443307[/TD]
[TD]SZ4_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0010, align: right"]51.60940806[/TD]
[TD]SZ9_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0013, align: right"]51.86100365[/TD]
[TD]SZ16_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0014, align: right"]51.94972281[/TD]
[TD]CL146_Longobard_[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0016, align: right"]52.19776815[/TD]
[TD]SZ13_Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother.SZ22_1469_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001B, align: right"]52.65284988[/TD]
[TD]SZ41_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001F, align: right"]53.03977187[/TD]
[TD]CL145_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0034, align: right"]55.05550018[/TD]
[TD]CL151_longobard_north_italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0039, align: right"]55.62194801[/TD]
[TD]SZ2_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 1.3418% / 1.34176160 | ADC: 0.25x RC
[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]60.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]16.3[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]CL25_longobard_north_italy[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]16.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]4.3[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]CL31_longobard_north_italy[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp[/TD]

 

[Salento]

... my recent post about SZ19:
she shares some SNPs with me but not with anyone else, and almost all of my chrome samples share SNPs with each other.

I get SZ19, ... but in my chrome analysis she does NOT share SNPs with my other samples.
She’s alone.
... could be that SZ19's DNA is low in quality (17%), or she’s just different from them.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Hey Salento, how are you? thanks for the post. SZ19 does not show up for me as a Deep Dive, but does show up in my Model (ADC 0.25X) and is my 3rd closest single distance of those samples from Amorim et al 2018. I would think your single distances for these samples approximates mine.

Cheers, PT

 

[torzio]

... my recent post about SZ19:
she shares some SNPs with me but not with anyone else, and almost all of my chrome samples share SNPs with each other.

I have this one as


[h=4]Central Roman / Mixed 590 AD[/h]
[h=4] SZ19
[/h]


mtDNA: HV9c
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 17)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 7.31 cM
Largest chain: 155 SNPs / 3.45 cM

[h=6]You are a top 95 % match to this sample! This makes your relationship to this individual exceptional.[/h]

---

Chr. 2
291 SNPs



Chr. 3
104 SNPs




Chr. 7
135 SNPs

 

[Salento]

Hey Salento, how are you? thanks for the post. SZ19 does not show up for me as a Deep Dive, but does show up in my Model (ADC 0.25X) and is my 3rd closest single distance of those samples from Amorim et al 2018. I would think your single distances for these samples approximates mine.

Cheers, PT

@PT
I’m sure they are as our results are not that different.
But, I don’t know what you ran to get those results

 

[Salento]

I have this one as


Central Roman / Mixed 590 AD


SZ19





mtDNA: HV9c
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 17)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 7.31 cM
Largest chain: 155 SNPs / 3.45 cM

You are a top 95 % match to this sample! This makes your relationship to this individual exceptional.

---

Chr. 2
291 SNPs



Chr. 3
104 SNPs




Chr. 7
135 SNPs

@ Torzio
... my SZ19 deep dive, ... we both got a Prize with it! lol

 

[Salento]

... more Szolad “Ancient Relatives” (deep dive):

 

[Salento]

I think I saw from the beginning that it is another scam when they gave matches of tens and hundreds... of cM after thousands of years. I would not be surprised if, after the IPs of the applicants, identifying their location, it would be even easier for them to tell beautiful stories.

If that’s the case, I should have come out a Mohegan or a Pequot

... about the cM, it all depends on how low the cM value is set up in the program when the site runs it.