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Albanian hi(r) - 1) ash, ashes 2) = hith 3) dust of corpses, corpse; memory of the dead
hire - religious relics

The word for religious relic is derived from cremation ritual = E-V13.

PS. Riverman, you should start learning Albanian, it is the most complete relic of the E-V13 original tongue.
 
Albanian hi(r) - 1) ash, ashes 2) = hith 3) dust of corpses, corpse; memory of the dead
hire - religious relics

The word for religious relic is derived from cremation ritual = E-V13.

PS. Riverman, you should start learning Albanian, it is the most complete relic of the E-V13 original tongue.

Unfortunately I have no great talent for languages, otherwise I would learn many more.
 
What I am trying to say is, genetic heritage will correspond with linguistic heritage as has been the case countless times. I hope the ROUA data comes out soon.

Kazimierz Dobrowolski speculated that the mountaineers of the Beskides mountains had a Balkan input. This is how he visualized it:

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His linguistic evidence from what I can find is strictly based on toponyms.

He spends pages on explaining why Beskid cannot be explained in any other language than Albanian. Then he provides some other examples:

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Almost all these examples are Albanian only with the exception of magula and gropa. Magula is closer to the Albanian version than Romanian. So Romanians could not have brought these terms(since they don;t have most of them in their ongue), but neither could have the Albanians, otherwise Albanian haplogroups(Albanian sub-branches) would be present in these populations. The answer is simple, a Dacian population survived until late middle ages, after which it became fully Slavophone. Their original homeland was likely Marmurres or Bukovina.
The event that triggered their full conversion to a Slavic identity is likely the Mongol invasions, their brutal raids must have weakened the ancestral Hutsul population, the Vlach took advantage of the situation and expanded northwards, forcing some of the Hutsuls to migrate towards Poland-Slovakia-Czech republic, where they fused with Slavs and the pursuing Vlachs forming the Gorales.

Kazimierz Dobrowolski spends pages on the toponym of beskides(can't read Polish), but that toponym is actually a Hutsul word with the same meaning as Albanian bjeshk.

Hutsuls speak Slavic, but a very bad Slavic. As a non-Slavic speaker I easily notice it. And they have a strong Dacian substrate (proably 15-20% of their vocab). We will see more on that later.
 
The Oldest multi-page book in the world is apparently found in modern Bulgaria dating to ~600 B.C in Ancient Thrace.


It is intriguing since the language written is classified as Etruscan yet the religious themes are clearly Thracian. The gold designs are most likely Thracian crafstmanship.
 
Is it possible that Albanians might descend from tribes of Free Dacians that were pushed by the Huns into Moesia?
Albanian is considered related to Illyrian and Messapic. There were some scholars that held the Daco-Thracian origin before but Albanian is not considered as Thracian or Dacian these days.

 
Guys went from cursing Matzinger to begging for his help, how the winds have changed.

Matzinger rules out Illyrian flat out. And the Messapi, half of their words have good cognates/matches with ancient Greek. That should give you a good clue if Albanian is in the same language family. And it says a lot about Messapian, they are likely a west Brygian group, which the Illyrians largely genocided.
 
Guys went from cursing Matzinger to begging for his help, how the winds have changed.

Matzinger rules out Illyrian flat out. And the Messapi, half of their words have good cognates/matches with ancient Greek. That should give you a good clue if Albanian is in the same language family. And it says a lot about Messapian, they are likely a west Brygian group, which the Illyrians largely genocided.

Matzinger rules Daco-Thracian flat out actually, Illyrian he still considers to be related to Albanian and Messapic. Those are his personal theories however and not facts since Messapic and proto-Illyrian most likely were the same. And he considers Messapic and Albanian to be related as do most linguists. Messapic was not a West-Brygian or Ancient Greek group but most likely proto-Illyrian groups that crossed over to Italy, not only does the archaeology and anthroponomy for this claim match but the genetics match too.


That's not to say Messapic did not have also an Ancient Greek contribution after they settled Italy. Who cursed Matzinger and who is begging for his help? Matzinger and most linguists these days rule out the possibility of Daco-Thracian being the ancestor of Albanian.
 
Matzinger has ruled out Illyrian, he does not consider it same language as Albanian. A forced association through Messapi is feeble as the language show 50% cognate correlation with ancient Greek. Clearly the Messapi were closer to ancient Greeks than the lilies, and only one group fits that criteria, Brygians.

Messapi are from southern Albania, which was Brygian territory until the Illyrians committed genocide on them. Messapi are without a doubt related to the R-PF7563 and J2a natives of southern Albania. Genetically this group takes a big blow from an inland Illyrian group in EIA who are carriers of R-BY250. The leaked ancient samples agree with archeology.

Messapi are the carriers of Matt-painted culture, a culture no one associates with Illyrians other than 3rd world archeologists and 3rd world dna project. Throwing tantrums about "autochtonism" will not change anything.
 
Matzinger has ruled out Illyrian, he does not consider it same language as Albanian. A forced association through Messapi is feeble as the language show 50% cognate correlation with ancient Greek. Clearly the Messapi were closer to ancient Greeks than the lilies, and only one group fits that criteria, Brygians.

Messapi are from southern Albania, which was Brygian territory until the Illyrians committed genocide on them. Messapi are without a doubt related to the R-PF7563 and J2a natives of southern Albania. Genetically this group takes a big blow from an inland Illyrian group in EIA who are carriers of R-BY250. The leaked ancient samples agree with archeology.

Messapi are the carriers of Matt-painted culture, a culture no one associates with Illyrians other than 3rd world archeologists and 3rd world dna project. Throwing tantrums about "autochtonism" will not change anything.

Why are you making up replies which aren't supported by any scholar? When did Illyrians commit "genocide" on Brygians? Show us one credible source which supports that Messapic has 50% cognates with Greek. You are just making up replies as you go and then you expect other to reply to you. Your posts are pure fiction intended only to cause confusion.

The abstract you're citing about R-PF7563 and R-BY250 supports a common origin for both lineages.

We identified a genetically homogeneous population throughout the respective time in contrast to all societal transformations in the wider region. Moreover, we found evidence for a patrilineal society, within which all the males Y chromosomes belong to two distinct sub-groups of R1b1a1b (M269). We identified the biological relatedness up to 6th degree with IBD analysis. The amount of relatedness raised after 750 BCE. We also detected a signature of a population size decrease around 750 BCE using HapROH, which coincides with the prevalence of Y chromosome lineage R1b1a1b1b3 and a new way of grave construction. Besides, a female individual was biologically related to individuals both before and after 750 BCE. Overall, all the ancient DNA evidence support a local population bottleneck event."

The paper speaks about a homogeneous population throughout the respective time and you're just lying without any shred of credibility.

Albanian is considered by scholars today as the closest living language to Messapic. As far as I know, in Messapians there is R1b-Z2103 and J2b-L283 ... yet.

Ancient genomics support deep divergence between Eastern and Western Mediterranean Indo-European languages​


Messapic is a fragmentarily attested language of the Salento peninsula of Italy surviving in ca. 600 inscriptions from the 6th c. BCE until the Roman conquest of the region48. Though an Indo-European language, Messapic does not belong to the Italic subgroup. Its further classification is hampered by its fragmentary attestation, but lexical correspondences with modern Albanian, visible despite the 1,500 years separating their attestation, point to a trans-Adriatic origin49. Three individuals from Coastal/Southern Italy indicate a gene flow from Balkans, particularly from Montenegro and Greece (Genetic Supplementary Fig S6.11). The number is small, and these individuals are from disparate contexts and therefore do not seem to be members of a single community. Some of them could, e.g., represent Mycenaean immigrants. But the presence of Balkan ancestry components in BA Southern Italy is not inconsistent with the possibility of Messapic having a Balkan origin.
 
Matzinger rules Daco-Thracian flat out actually, Illyrian he still considers to be related to Albanian and Messapic. Those are his personal theories however and not facts since Messapic and proto-Illyrian most likely were the same. And he considers Messapic and Albanian to be related as do most linguists. Messapic was not a West-Brygian or Ancient Greek group but most likely proto-Illyrian groups that crossed over to Italy, not only does the archaeology and anthroponomy for this claim match but the genetics match too.
Yes, Matzinger outright denies any Dacian origin for Albanian and consider Messapic to be its closest relative.
 
Albanian is considered by scholars today as the closest living language to Messapic. As far as I know, in Messapians there is R1b-Z2103 and J2b-L283 ... yet.

You don't crap and who cares what you think you know. J2b and R-BY250 show up north of the Messapi, among the "Japanesian" tribes.

The abstract you're citing about R-PF7563 and R-BY250 supports a common origin for both lineages.

The the same abstract clearly states R-BY250 replaces the R-PF7563. Illyrians were very Serbish.
 
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