"Northern" Admixture in mainland Greeks

Kari

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The DNA of modern Greeks has been influenced by the migration of the Arvanites,Slavs,and in a smaller degree,Celts and Germans.To calculate the "Northern" Admixture,
I created a 2-Way Model using Byzantine Samples from Balikesir representing Aegean-Anatolian ancestry,and South Slavic medieval samples from Montenegro representing that "Northern" Admixture.
2-Way Model:
Screenshot 2023-07-28 074837.jpg
To calculate the Slavic Ancestry,I used another 2-Way-Model,using Sicilians as Aegean-like,and Estonians as Balto-Slavic
Screenshot 2023-07-28 074244.jpg
For the Celtic ancestry,i used Sicilians as Aegean-like,and Irish People representing the Celts.
After i took off the Slavic Ancestry that is captured by the Irish.
Peloponnese:1,2%
Central Greece:2,4%
Thessaly:5,6%
Epirus:5,2%
Macedonia:3%
Thrace:2,2%

For the Germanic ancestry I used Sicilians again,and Norwegians representing the Germans.
After I took off the Slavic Ancestry that is captured.
Peloponnese:1,4%
Central Greece:2,4%
Thessaly:4,8%
Epirus:4,6%
Macedonia:2,8%
Thrace:3,2%

In the end,Ι got the northern admixture,and I took off Slavic,Celtic and Germanic Ancestry,
to find the Balkan(Illyro-Daco-Thraco-Pannonian etc) Admixture.
Peloponnese:17,6%
Central Greece:17,4%
Thessaly:14,8%
Epirus:18,8%
Macedonia:20,2%
Thrace:27,4%

Samples I used:
Greek_Peloponnese,0.117393,0.1445745,0.0071996,-0.0279395,0.0195001,-0.0102429,0.003429,8.4e-05,0.0019895,0.0140653,0.0040523,0.000872,-0.0016691,0.0049669,-0.0158114,0.0002169,0.0066851,0.0010192,0.0063877,-0.0044055,-0.0066928,0.0010004,0.003815,0.0010133,-0.0018506Greek_Central_Greece,0.119356,0.1397958,0.0043628,-0.0191142,0.017496,-0.0059296,0.000905,-0.0019538,-0.0026868,0.013653,0.0015066,0.0003798,-0.0030586,0.004728,-0.0146334,-0.0009644,0.0108286,0.0028726,0.0045418,-0.0062222,-0.0044086,-0.000713,0.0015208,-0.0000694,-0.0001952
Greek_Thessaly,0.119135,0.1452207,0.013702,-0.020026,0.0188753,-0.0051133,0.0005483,0.000769,0,0.01877,0.0026523,0.0040963,-0.0072843,0.0056883,-0.0090933,-0.0041987,0.0021297,-0.000549,0.0041483,-0.005336,-0.0069877,0.0012777,0.0035743,0.0014057,-0.003353
Greek_Epirus,0.1218378,0.1452408,0.0134784,-0.0162769,0.0234382,-0.0033547,0.0005044,0.0009677,0.0009828,0.0127748,-0.0003218,0.0012171,-0.0055606,0.0052059,-0.0127725,-0.0014237,0.0070963,0.0003498,0.0041302,-0.0062966,-0.0077106,0.0002255,0.0015527,-0.0008745,0.0014632
Greek_Macedonia,0.1215631,0.1428511,0.0134758,-0.0164945,0.0188958,-0.0048713,0.0029453,0.0028768,-4.09e-05,0.0121735,0.0019703,0.0012888,-0.0023093,0.0103219,-0.0153365,-0.0062493,0.0018428,0.0006587,0.0069805,-0.0052526,-0.0065136,0.0004122,0.0024156,-0.0010364,-0.0005986
Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace,0.1212215,0.138112,0.0192335,-0.005491,0.0252355,-0.002231,0.0045825,0.0019615,0.0012275,0.0041005,0.0002435,-0.004496,0.004162,0.011629,-0.017372,-0.002784,0.002803,-0.0008235,0.0077305,-0.0061905,-0.010045,0,-0.0031425,-0.003856,-0.0011375
TUR_Marmara_Balikesir_Byz,0.1085115,0.144036,-0.0135137,-0.0428513,0.0093865,-0.0153855,0.0047783,-0.0011153,-0.0080105,0.0118755,0.0033832,0.002148,-0.003023,0.0053442,-0.0087767,-0.0098115,-0.004998,0.0025972,0.0038337,-0.0070867,-0.0011647,-0.0032357,-0.001294,-0.0028115,-0.0010978
MNE_Doclea_Bjelovine,0.1261538,0.1409895,0.0422375,0.016796,0.0282102,0.0101332,0.0027025,0.0046537,-0.0020453,0.0018832,-0.0036267,-0.0018983,-0.001115,0.0106197,-0.0118078,-0.0003758,0.0085837,0.0021747,0.005866,-0.0023762,-0.0059478,-0.0017723,0.0012532,-0.0013253,-0.0015368
Sicilian_East,0.1031997,0.1465747,-0.007291,-0.0411287,0.0178493,-0.0153393,-0.0019583,7.7e-05,0.0075673,0.0213217,0.0073073,0.0038967,-0.0061447,0.0031193,-0.0059263,-0.006497,-0.0028683,-0.00114,0.0044833,-0.003877,-4.13e-05,0.0026793,-0.0018897,0.0022893,0.000399
Sicilian_West,0.1001643,0.1455593,-0.0003773,-0.03553,0.019388,-0.0098543,-0.0006267,0.0005383,0.013362,0.0222937,0.00341,0.0030973,-0.00223,0.0018807,-0.002262,-0.003182,-0.0018687,-4.23e-05,-0.00088,-0.006128,0.000832,0.0008243,-0.0032043,-0.0034943,0.0002393
Estonian,0.1329454,0.1141455,0.087756,0.0833017,0.0427771,0.0297575,0.0113745,0.0144457,0.0004091,-0.028447,6.5e-05,-0.0123489,0.0194597,0.0213591,-0.0066639,0.0017104,0.0002216,-0.0024832,0.0013451,0.0022137,0.001385,-0.0018672,0.0042644,0.0007471,0.0030535
Irish,0.1333605,0.1340977,0.0611689,0.0488642,0.037788,0.0193517,0.0032928,0.0047129,0.0035683,0.0029265,-0.0069712,0.0058395,-0.0141892,-0.0140763,0.0259353,0.0052146,-0.0111456,0.0018944,0.0005974,0.0017758,0.0051145,0.0012787,0.0002929,0.0144074,0.0006607
Norwegian,0.1320917,0.1294546,0.0680514,0.0545305,0.0403228,0.0198709,0.0041595,0.0060919,0.006151,-0.002287,-0.0046444,0.004275,-0.0092355,-0.0101497,0.0202528,0.0065566,-0.0072004,0.0033097,0.0029758,0.0041082,0.0056806,0.0040898,0.0008873,0.0141072,-6.88e-05
 
The DNA of modern Greeks has been influenced by the migration of the Arvanites,Slavs,and in a smaller degree,Celts and Germans.To calculate the "Northern" Admixture,
I created a 2-Way Model using Byzantine Samples from Balikesir representing Aegean-Anatolian ancestry,and South Slavic medieval samples from Montenegro representing that "Northern" Admixture.
2-Way Model:
View attachment 13981
To calculate the Slavic Ancestry,I used another 2-Way-Model,using Sicilians as Aegean-like,and Estonians as Balto-Slavic
View attachment 13982
For the Celtic ancestry,i used Sicilians as Aegean-like,and Irish People representing the Celts.
After i took off the Slavic Ancestry that is captured by the Irish.
Peloponnese:1,2%
Central Greece:2,4%
Thessaly:5,6%
Epirus:5,2%
Macedonia:3%
Thrace:2,2%

For the Germanic ancestry I used Sicilians again,and Norwegians representing the Germans.
After I took off the Slavic Ancestry that is captured.
Peloponnese:1,4%
Central Greece:2,4%
Thessaly:4,8%
Epirus:4,6%
Macedonia:2,8%
Thrace:3,2%

In the end,Ι got the northern admixture,and I took off Slavic,Celtic and Germanic Ancestry,
to find the Balkan(Illyro-Daco-Thraco-Pannonian etc) Admixture.
Peloponnese:17,6%
Central Greece:17,4%
Thessaly:14,8%
Epirus:18,8%
Macedonia:20,2%
Thrace:27,4%

Samples I used:
I guess that your method could be more accurate if you use Ancient Samples.
Mycenean Greek
Italo-Celtic(Tumulus+Aut-La Tene) as Proto Italo Celtic
Gordium IA as Anatolian IA(Roman Imperial Era influence)
Slavic as Medieval Slavs from Ukr and Rus
Germanic as DNK Germanic or something like it
I would add some extra Paleo Balkan but I guess it will merge with Mycenean.

Proto Italo Celtic could been either Doric Invaders(Illyrian-Like Urnfield Minor+Paleo Balkan) or Some later contribution.
Slavic ancestry is higher than this model, as you use Sicilian like proto Greeks, what is completely wrong. Similarity doesn't mean same origin
 

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