Origin of PF1975/E1b-Z830-2nd

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Have been confirmed by FTDNA as E-Z827, ordered the E-Z827 downstream pack, in the meanwhile have been told I may belong to a branch of PF1975. I have been wondering, if its source/origin is known and its frequency among populations also known?
 
Have just been confirmed PF1975. I believe it's downstream of Z830, so I don't think it's downstream of E-M81.

Interesting. I have to become familiar and catch up with these new subclades or ones Im not familiar with, their sequences time frames and journeys.
 
I looked this particular subclade on Google, and it seems that all the results go to FTDNA or to people on forums asking about it. Also, every result I saw was Ashkenazi Jewish, so perhaps the mutation occurred among Ashkenazi Jews.
 
ISOGG 2016, as of May 16, 2016, has taken anything downstream of E1b1b1b-2, including PF 1975, which would be E1b1b1b-2b or something similar, off line for tree investigation, to clarify the fine points of the tree.

Here's some older write-ups about the E1b1b1b-2a (=M123); the sister group according to ftDNA's clades to your
PF 1975=E1b1b1b-2b.
Won't let me post links; Google E-M123!

 
Hi,
I am E-PF1975 as well.
 
interesting branch it is a parallel branch to e-m123 as both derived
from e-pf1962

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-PF1962/

it might originated in middel east
as there are cases donwnstram of e-pf1975 in iraq

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-PF1987/


p.s
though mainly present among ashkenazi
there are also sporadic cases downstream of e-pf1975 in campania and sicily
from ftdna projects
and haplotypes i saw in some papers ;)

like this paper:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0065441

table s2:

e-m35*(x m78, m81, m123)
688-agrigento-e-m35*(likely e-pf1975)

https://i.imgur.com/h2F0aio.png

738-catania- e-m35*(likely e-pf1975)

https://i.imgur.com/qlRr7LV.png
 
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Have been confirmed by FTDNA as E-Z827, ordered the E-Z827 downstream pack, in the meanwhile have been told I may belong to a branch of PF1975. I have been wondering, if its source/origin is known and its frequency among populations also known?

E-PF1975 is equivalent to E-PF2025 on Yfull, (Both SNPs define the same subclade).

E-PF1975 is 9700 years old : https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-PF2025/

However you are most likely these 2 deeper and younger subclades :

1300 years old E-PF1952 : https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-PF1952/

1500 years old E-Y35934 : https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y35934/

It should be worth to upgrade to BigY700, to order your BAM file from FTDNA, and to transfer to Yfull
 
i didn't mention iraq for nothing :)
this paper (diyala region): ( 17 y-str predicted by negven) 6.3% e-pf1975 7/110

https://www.researchgate.net/public...17_YSTR_Markers_in_the_Diyala_Arab_Population

i look at the haplotypes and those are clearly e-pf1975( likely e-pf1974)

H24-e-pf1975(x2)

H45-e-pf1975(x3)

H57-e-pf1975(x2)


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Have just been confirmed PF1975. I believe it's downstream of Z830, so I don't think it's downstream of E-M81.

well you might find this research interesting;)
1190AD ashkenazi jewish remains from norwich england
one of the males individual SB676 belonged to e1b1b1b2a1b1a:cool-v:thats e-pf1952 under the e-pf1975 branch

gr1.jpg


source:

https://www.cell.com/current-biolog...m/retrieve/pii/S0960982222013550?showall=true

it was also uploaded to theytree site :

https://www.theytree.com/tree/E-PF2025
 
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well you might find this research interesting;)
1190AD ashkenazi jewish remains from norwich england
one of the males individual SB676 belonged to e1b1b1b2a1b1a:cool-v:thats e-pf1952 under the e-pf1975 branch

gr1.jpg


source:

https://www.cell.com/current-biolog...m/retrieve/pii/S0960982222013550?showall=true

it was also uploaded to theytree site :

https://www.theytree.com/tree/E-PF2025


small update:
yfull also uploaded in the recent days SB676 to there tree (not surprised as he is in great coverage)(y)

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FGC56002/
 
i looked at some haplotypes from this paper ( 19 y-str markers)

and it looked in nevgen predictor like IP514 haplotype from west andalusia
fall under e-pf1975;)
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p.s
whit athe'y predictor
say it for sure under e1b1b1
and nevgen predict this IP514 haplotype ( even though only 19 markers) in prediction of 99-100% as e-pf1975
 

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