The romans were mostly Central European actually according to Moots paper...R1b and 30% circa steppe
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Ethnicity is not determined by ydna. Central Europeans are close to 50% steppe, not 30%.
My father was R1b-U152, like most men in his area. Most men in his area are from 25-30% steppe. Fwiw he also had fairish hair and green eyes. They plot right where they should, north central Italy and nowhere near Central Europeans.
Did you ever actually read the Moots paper? Two of the Republican Era Romans plot with Southern Italians, and the rest of the "Roman area" ancients of the Republic plot between Spain and Northern Italy, NOT ANYWHERE NEAR Central Europe. So stop talking nonsense on a serious site.
@Real Expert,
The topic under discussion was the photo "reconstruction" of the EMPERORS, not Sulla or the other few prominent Romans who were described as blonde. The reconstruction of the emperors is FALSE, because it is not based on contemporary reports but on a chart created by someone at theapricity who in turn got it from a report written in 1938 by some Nazi propagandist who based it on wishful thinking.
From contemporary reports only one was "blonde" as we would describe it: Lucius Verus. Three others had fairish hair, two in the early period. This was all documented above in a link to an analysis. Perhaps people should re-read it. Now please count how many of the early emperors were depicted as "blonde". CLEARLY incorrect.
Then we get one where everyone is "browned" up. Hadrian, who had a very Italian or Spanish or even Balkan looking face in modern terms winds up looking like an Arab. It's ridiculous.
This is all just proof that this "hobby" is crawling with people with agendas who couldn't do an objective analysis of something if their lives depended on it.
Fwiw, I pointed out that Sulla was famously blonde. The Claudians also were supposed to have some fair haired people among them. What people don't seem to understand is that the unusual is what is described.
Then as now there were/are some fair-haired inhabitants of the Italian peninsula, i.e. dark blonde/light brown hair. They are a minority. IT WAS NOT AND IS NOT Central Europe. I don't know how many of the ancients had light eyes. It's rarely talked about by contemporaries. Lucius' blue eyes are mentioned, as are Caesar's "black eyes". Today, blue eyes appear sometimes in southern Italy, not infrequently at all in Northern Italy.
It doesn't matter. That doesn't make someone Central European.
The definition of Southern European, which the Republican inhabitants of Rome certain were autosomally, might indeed be 20-30% steppe. No one is denying it.
As to cultural achievements, the Romans improved upon and then spread innovations which they adopted from the Near East directly, or from the Greeks who in turn had adopted them from the Near East. Sorry, nothing to do with steppe people. The language is steppe, SOME of the religion is steppe, some of the clientage part of the culture is steppe etc., but not the things which made them great.
You guys, and the Nazis, and the late 19th century anthropologists have been proved completely wrong by the science of modern genetics. This cultural appropriation has come to stop. Ancient Rome had nothing to do with Northern Europe except to try to keep it at bay.
End of story.
