Population genomics of the Viking world (Margaryan et al 2020)

[Palermo Trapani]

Salento: Thanks for the coordinates (and provider, Lukas, of the raw data).

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #39FF00, align: right"]5.59998214[/TD]
[TD]VK535_Dod_K12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #40FF00, align: right"]6.31893978[/TD]
[TD]VK537_Dod_K12

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7EFF00, align: right"]3.70159425[/TD]
[TD]VK535_Dod_K13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9EFF00, align: right"]4.63629162[/TD]
[TD]VK537_Dod_K13

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Salento]

what about our T1a2 branch Viking .....................not very far in Yfull from myself ( and you )

Sample: VK398 / Sweden_Skara 231
Location: Varnhem, Skara, Sweden
Age: Viking 10-12th centuries CE
Y-DNA: T-BY215080
mtDNA: H1b1-T16362C

I don't have the VK398 data,

... if anyone has it, please share it

 

[torzio]

I don't have the VK398 data,

... if anyone has it, please share it

in yfull VK398 is

[TABLE="class: snp-tbl tbl001"]
[TR="class: even"]
[TD="class: snp nw"]

VK398[/TD]
[TD="class: snp nw"] ......900 (1050

750) [/TD]
[TD="class: snp nw"].........SWE [SE-O]..........[/TD]
[TD="class: snp nw"]T-Y21210 i
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


The graves at Varnhem exhibit signs of a socially stratified society. Members of the family that owned the magnate’s farm were buried closest to the church. This is indicated by the presence of limestone coffins. Further away from the church, the dead had been interred in wooden coffins or in simpler graves without a coffin. The social division of the churchyard is also reflected in the state of health that can be observed in the skeletons. There was also a division by gender. Men were buried to the south of the church and women to the north. The dating of the graves is interesting. The burial ground at Varnhem was used continuously for Christian burials from the first half of the 10thcentury CE to the end of the 12thcentury, a period of 250-300 years. Christianity was obviously established in the area by the middle of the 10thcentury CE at the latest71.

not sure if VK398 became a christian , so being one of the first buried there in a christian cemetary

 

[torzio]

I don't have the VK398 data,

... if anyone has it, please share it

All I got years ago was the admixture split



T1a1a ....sample VK17
48% Finnish
41% Swedish



T1a2b1 ....sample VK398
38% Italian
33% Danish
13% British

 

[Salento]

Viking Index 12% compared to 13% Swedish Vikings from the Ancient 2WAY by Maciano:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...iably-compare-your-DNA-to-ancient-populations

 

[Salento]

what about our T1a2 branch Viking .....................not very far in Yfull from myself ( and you )

Sample: VK398 / Sweden_Skara 231
Location: Varnhem, Skara, Sweden
Age: Viking 10-12th centuries CE
Y-DNA: T-BY215080
mtDNA: H1b1-T16362C

@Torzio

y T1a2 - VK398 coordinates:

Dodecad K7 w9 K12 K13
MDLP k16
EU K13 K15 K36

VK398_Dod_K7b,0.12,13.33,2.25,1.52,13.17,69.62,0.00


VK398_Dod_W9,0.75,0.00,1.42,68.75,0.43,1.96,13.85,12.84,0.00


VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61


VK398_Dod_13,1.67,0.32,1.81,0.00,2.08,0.00,31.67,0.33,0.56,10.18,51.37,0.00,0.00


VK398_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.27,22.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,20.55,0.00,25.21,0.01,29.39,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.38


VK398_EU_K13,47.61,23.05,11.16,7.28,4.35,3.52,0.30,0.00,0.84,0.68,0.72,0.00,0.49


VK398_EU_K15,26.70,35.27,12.81,6.71,5.98,6.62,0.54,3.19,0.39,0.00,0.71,0.32,0.47,0.09,0.22


VK398_EU_K36,0.01,0.00,0.00,3.79,0.00,6.69,0.00,0.00,4.72,0.00,5.41,0.00,4.35,8.85,8.71,20.80,0.00,2.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.14,3.26,13.81,0.00,0.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.26,0.48,2.21,0.00

dod K12 Ancient 2way by Maciano:

 

[Salento]

Foggia VK535 - VK537
Dodecad K12 and K13 coordinates

... Credit to Lukas for the Raw-Data, (...thank me for the coordinates)

VK535_Dod_K12,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK537_Dod_K12,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30

VK535_Dod_K13,0.00,0.44,2.74,0.00,16.55,1.00,36.68,0.83,0.00,22.13,18.61,0.18,0.84
VK537_Dod_K13,1.13,0.00,2.14,0.00,16.99,0.50,35.10,0.77,0.00,21.45,20.99,0.17,0.76

Foggia VK538 coordinates

Dodecad: K12 - K13

EU: K13 - K15 - K36

VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30


VK538_Dod_13,0.04,0.38,1.74,0.00,10.52,1.00,34.07,0.00,0.56,12.67,39.01,0.00,0.00


VK538_EU_K13,27.62,21.44,19.02,8.37,16.15,4.96,0.00,0.30,0.91,0.00,0.21,0.68,0.34


VK538_EU_K15,15.17,19.20,13.23,10.28,15.24,6.93,14.03,4.60,0.00,0.08,0.29,0.00,0.09,0.81,0.04


VK538_EU_K36,0.00,1.79,0.53,0.84,0.00,3.26,0.00,0.00,5.81,0.00,10.09,4.99,3.30,4.81,0.88,16.95,0.00,15.52,0.00,8.91,0.49,6.49,1.66,7.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.39,0.00,0.00,4.25

 

[Salento]

fyi I had issues with the new “WGS Extract” app, ... for the VK398 and VK538 bams I used the older version

 

[torzio]

@Torzio

y T1a2 - VK398 coordinates:

Dodecad K7 w9 K12 K13
MDLP k16
EU K13 K15 K36

VK398_Dod_K7b,0.12,13.33,2.25,1.52,13.17,69.62,0.00


VK398_Dod_W9,0.75,0.00,1.42,68.75,0.43,1.96,13.85,12.84,0.00


VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61


VK398_Dod_13,1.67,0.32,1.81,0.00,2.08,0.00,31.67,0.33,0.56,10.18,51.37,0.00,0.00


VK398_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.27,22.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,20.55,0.00,25.21,0.01,29.39,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.38


VK398_EU_K13,47.61,23.05,11.16,7.28,4.35,3.52,0.30,0.00,0.84,0.68,0.72,0.00,0.49


VK398_EU_K15,26.70,35.27,12.81,6.71,5.98,6.62,0.54,3.19,0.39,0.00,0.71,0.32,0.47,0.09,0.22


VK398_EU_K36,0.01,0.00,0.00,3.79,0.00,6.69,0.00,0.00,4.72,0.00,5.41,0.00,4.35,8.85,8.71,20.80,0.00,2.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.14,3.26,13.81,0.00,0.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.26,0.48,2.21,0.00

dod K12 Ancient 2way by Maciano:

running numbers in vahaduo

I get

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: VK398_Dod_K12b
Distance: 0.7464% / 0.74643793 | ADC: 0.25x RC
[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]77.1[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]English_mixed[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]13.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]German[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Adygei[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Bulgarians[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]ASW30[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.3
[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Nganassan

[/TD]


Adygei is in the north-caucasus area

 

[torzio]

I get two results for VK398 ( previous post ) and below

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: VK398_Dod_K12b
Distance: 0.7481% / 0.74813794 | ADC: 0.25x RC
[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]77.9[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]English_mixed[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]13.3[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]German[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.1[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkars[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.1[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Bulgarians[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yoruba[/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Nganassan[/TD]

Adygei and Balkars are both in the North-Caucasus area

 

[Salento]

VK17
ybp 950 - Viking Russia

y-DNA T-Y138678 (T1a)
mtDNA U5a2a1b

coordinates
Dodecad: K7 W9 K12 K13
MDLP k16
EU: K13 K15 K36

VK17_Dod_K7b,0.00,6.60,3.86,1.43,5.59,82.52,0.00

VK17_Dod_W9,0.59,0.00,1.46,81.54,0.03,3.55,8.16,4.67,0.00

VK17_Dod_K12b,2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00,0.12,0.01,0.00,3.78,1.23

VK17_Dod_13,1.94,0.00,0.85,0.81,1.12,0.00,23.14,0.21,1.13,1.24,69.56,0.00,0.00

VK17_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.06,20.77,0.19,1.64,0.00,16.74,0.00,35.60,0.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,0.96,0.00,1.05

VK17_EU_K13,44.12,42.69,5.90,0.11,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.98,0.00,0.07,0.09,1.28

VK17_EU_K15,39.67,17.44,20.45,17.47,2.27,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.16

VK17_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.42,4.20,0.00,0.00,2.69,0.00,12.13,0.00,12.56,32.45,9.80,5.29,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.43,0.00,13.58,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

 

[Salento]

Adding to ... and consolidating the five Foggia VK samples coordinates.

VK534 VK535 VK536 VK537 VK538

Dodecad: K7 K12 K13 - MDLP: K16 - EU: K13 K15 K36

Dod K7:

VK534_Dod_K7b,0.00,26.31,0.02,2.88,34.55,34.96,1.27
VK535_Dod_K7b,0.14,24.22,0,3.01,35.27,36.23,1.13
VK536_Dod_K7b,0.00,21.50,1.47,2.23,33.44,41.36,0.00
VK537_Dod_K7b,0.46,24.08,1.32,2.74,33.51,37.89,0
VK538_Dod_K7b,0,17.17,0.14,1.55,24.19,55.66,1.28

Dod K12:

VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.00,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.00,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30

Dod K13:

VK534_Dod_13,0.00,0.16,1.83,0.00,16.95,1.75,34.89,0.00,0.05,22.98,20.20,0.00,1.19
VK535_Dod_13,0.00,0.44,2.74,0.00,16.55,1.00,36.68,0.83,0.00,22.13,18.61,0.18,0.84
VK536_Dod_13,1.66,0.00,2.21,0.09,13.14,0.00,40.59,0.34,0.19,19.94,21.65,0.00,0.19
VK537_Dod_13,1.13,0.00,2.14,0.00,16.99,0.50,35.10,0.77,0.00,21.45,20.99,0.17,0.76
VK538_Dod_13,0.04,0.38,1.74,0.00,10.52,1.00,34.07,0.00,0.56,12.67,39.01,0.00,0.00

MDLP K16:

VK534_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.48,12.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,43.56,0.00,9.41,5.30,22.63,2.96,0.00,0.00,0.94,2.22
VK535_MDLP_K16,0.41,0.00,8.64,2.00,0.00,0.00,36.62,0.00,12.60,5.09,26.76,3.47,0.78,0.01,0.37,3.26
VK536_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.31,14.83,0.00,0.96,0.00,34.59,0.00,10.52,4.55,29.85,1.65,0.29,0.25,0.00,2.21
VK537_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.00,10.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,40.88,0.50,10.67,6.58,24.01,4.63,0.00,0.83,0.00,1.73
VK538_MDLP_K16,0.82,0.00,17.01,0.00,0.02,0.00,27.18,0.30,19.15,1.88,31.19,0.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.90

EU K13:

VK534_EU_K13,16.05,9.75,21.87,15.20,28.50,4.62,1.33,1.40,0.00,0.03,0.00,1.27,0.00
VK535_EU_K13,17.07,8.36,24.98,14.34,23.80,5.71,2.03,1.00,0.00,0.00,0.53,1.03,1.15
VK536_EU_K13,25.42,5.92,24.54,13.04,22.96,4.86,0.00,0.00,1.83,0.00,0.00,1.08,0.34
VK537_EU_K13,20.22,7.68,19.16,13.86,29.90,6.73,0.00,0.00,0.70,0.00,0.00,0.11,1.64
VK538_EU_K13,27.62,21.44,19.02,8.37,16.15,4.96,0.00,0.30,0.91,0.00,0.21,0.68,0.34

EU K15:

VK534_EU_K15,13.66,10.13,7.19,0.14,18.17,15.27,27.54,4.26,0.93,1.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.32,0.00
VK535_EU_K15,8.96,14.66,6.50,2.48,20.42,12.07,23.94,5.86,2.01,0.65,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.66,1.38
VK536_EU_K15,14.33,19.61,2.08,1.42,19.85,14.67,20.53,4.53,0.00,0.00,1.38,0.00,0.05,1.56,0.00
VK537_EU_K15,13.99,13.83,6.22,0.23,14.68,12.76,29.56,6.57,0.00,0.00,0.67,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.48
VK538_EU_K15,15.17,19.20,13.23,10.28,15.24,6.93,14.03,4.60,0.00,0.08,0.29,0.00,0.09,0.81,0.04

EU K36:

VK534_EU_K36,0.00,4.28,2.85,0.13,0.00,3.44,0.00,0.00,2.58,0.00,2.89,19.54,0.00,4.05,1.51,7.79,0.78,19.46,0.00,10.14,1.62,0.00,1.86,1.61,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,9.03,6.46
VK535_EU_K36,0.00,4.56,7.41,1.06,0.00,2.49,0.00,0.00,7.68,0.00,2.65,7.52,0.00,0.00,1.14,12.70,0.00,20.42,0.00,12.09,3.67,0.00,8.52,0.00,0.32,0.36,0.00,0.21,0.00,0.39,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.81
VK536_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,1.34,3.82,0.00,1.41,0.00,0.00,1.33,0.00,0.00,12.19,0.00,0.00,4.77,15.62,0.00,20.84,0.00,12.03,2.04,4.36,3.74,3.90,0.88,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,5.80,5.93
VK537_EU_K36,0.00,3.74,3.38,0.37,0.00,5.78,0.35,0.00,6.59,0.00,0.00,17.06,0.00,0.00,1.36,12.34,0.00,21.49,0.00,11.29,1.91,1.77,1.52,2.42,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,5.42,2.51
VK538_EU_K36,0.00,1.79,0.53,0.84,0.00,3.26,0.00,0.00,5.81,0.00,10.09,4.99,3.30,4.81,0.88,16.95,0.00,15.52,0.00,8.91,0.49,6.49,1.66,7.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.39,0.00,0.00,4.25

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Salento: Nice work in post #72 and thanks. I am going to run them.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Palermo_Trapani vs. Foggia VK Samples".

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DAFF00, align: right"]6.41735927[/TD]
[TD]VK537_EU_K13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F2FF00, align: right"]7.12113053[/TD]
[TD]VK534_EU_K13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCE00, align: right"]8.94680390[/TD]
[TD]VK535_EU_K13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA300, align: right"]10.20256830[/TD]
[TD]VK536_EU_K13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E200FF, align: right"]23.35537840[/TD]
[TD]VK538_EU_K13
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CBFF00, align: right"]5.96797286[/TD]
[TD]VK535_EU_K15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FEFF00, align: right"]7.46930385[/TD]
[TD]VK534_EU_K15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE300, align: right"]8.30998797[/TD]
[TD]VK537_EU_K15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8300, align: right"]11.13727525[/TD]
[TD]VK536_EU_K15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D6, align: right"]21.28857205[/TD]
[TD]VK538_EU_K15
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #67FF00, align: right"]3.01807886[/TD]
[TD]VK535_Dod_K7b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8DFF00, align: right"]4.13581914[/TD]
[TD]VK537_Dod_K7b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #94FF00, align: right"]4.33989631[/TD]
[TD]VK534_Dod_K7b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D9FF00, align: right"]6.38683020[/TD]
[TD]VK536_Dod_K7b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E000FF, align: right"]23.41389972[/TD]
[TD]VK538_Dod_K7b
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BCFF00, align: right"]5.52786577[/TD]
[TD]VK535_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C8FF00, align: right"]5.87170333[/TD]
[TD]VK536_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D4FF00, align: right"]6.22550400[/TD]
[TD]VK537_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]10.67837066[/TD]
[TD]VK534_Dod_K12b[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FA, align: right"]22.34514489[/TD]
[TD]VK538_Dod_K12b
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7DFF00, align: right"]3.67483333[/TD]
[TD]VK535_Dod_13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #99FF00, align: right"]4.48889741[/TD]
[TD]VK537_Dod_13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9DFF00, align: right"]4.62916839[/TD]
[TD]VK534_Dod_13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D1FF00, align: right"]6.14185640[/TD]
[TD]VK536_Dod_13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ED00FF, align: right"]23.04308790[/TD]
[TD]VK538_Dod_13

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Salento]

you’re welcome PT

... Clash of the Apulians ...

Salento vs Foggia VKs

... though most were imported Apulians, lol

Dod K13

 

[Salento]

GedM... #

# PQ6174821 VK398 Sweden Skara

# EZ7862915 VK17 Ladoga

# EF1479749 VK534 Foggia

# KS4759395 VK535 Foggia

# FU2221500 VK536 Foggia

# DK6279121 VK537 Foggia

# RM4474362 VK538 Foggia

 

[Salento]

GedM... #

# PQ6174821 - VK398 Sweden Skara

# EZ7862915 - VK17 Ladoga

# EF1479749 - VK534 Foggia

# KS4759395 - VK535 Foggia

# FU2221500 - VK536 Foggia

# DK6279121 - VK537 Foggia

# RM4474362 - VK538 Foggia

GedM... # UQ2086639 - VK442 (Oland_1008) Sweden

 

[Mineiro25]

Nice topic

 

[Wheal]

Hello everyone. Yes, I've been absent for a very long time, but I'm back for the good or the evil of it all!!

Information from the new Discover tool and how my father's Y-line fits into this topic may have some interest for you.

As you know, their new Discover tool has one tab that shows ancient ancestors and how you fit in. You asked a question in your first or second post, Moesan, "to know what percentage of R1b-L21 was present in Scandinavia, and especially in Norway, before the Vikings settled Britain and Ireland." My father is shown to match POH001, VK232, and GRO16 in that era. Apparently he is one of about 460 of FTdna's members that match these three that match these three individually. I would make a shaky guess that it was a migration from Polhil (605-658 CE) to Kopparsvik (900-1050 CE) and then to Groningen (1100 CE). The next higher level of matches is as Z2.

After a bit of digging, I find that Polhil was a later residence of a surprisingly similar surname. But of course no paper trail.

I welcome any additional information on Kopparsvick and Groningen that anyone might have.

​

 

[Wheal]

Hello everyone. Yes, I've been absent for a very long time, but I'm back for the good or the evil of it all!!

Information from the new Discover tool and how my father's Y-line fits into this topic may have some interest for you.

As you know, their new Discover tool has one tab that shows ancient ancestors and how you fit in. You asked a question in your first or second post, Moesan, "to know what percentage of R1b-L21 was present in Scandinavia, and especially in Norway, before the Vikings settled Britain and Ireland." My father is shown to match POH001, VK232, and GRO16 in that era. Apparently he is one of about 460 of FTdna's members that match these three that match these three individually. I would make a shaky guess that it was a migration from Polhil (605-658 CE) to Kopparsvik (900-1050 CE) and then to Groningen (1100 CE). The next higher level of matches is as Z2.

After a bit of digging, I find that Polhil was a later residence of a surprisingly similar surname. But of course no paper trail.

I welcome any additional information on Kopparsvick and Groningen that anyone might have.

​

​ The matching snp for all three plus my father is R-FGC31495