Prokletija - the cursing ceremony

[oldeuropeanculture]

There is an English nursery rime which says:


Sticks and stones will break my bones
But words will never harm me.


But people didn't always think this way. In the past when people swore or cursed at someone, they weren't just being rude. Every curse or a swear was a prayer to God(s) to do something bad to someone, because the person who was cursing or swaring could not do it himself.


In Serbian the word "klet" means "curse", the words "uklet", "proklet" mean "cursed", the verb "prokleti" means "to succeed in cursing someone".


What does all this have to do with the Irish the word "cleath" which means a goad, a wattle, pole, stake?


Well let me tell you a story:


Stoning is a form of capital punishment whereby a group throws stones at a person accused of a capital crime until he or she dies. But what happens if a capital crime is committed, but the perpetrator is not known or was not caught? Well in Serbia, and in other parts of the Balkans where we find Serbian population, he is symbolically stoned and cursed in a ceremony known as "Prokletija" meaning punishment through cursing and stoning a stick.


You can read more here:


http://oldeuropeanculture.blogspot.com/2015/08/prokletija-cursing-ceremony.html

 

[Ike]

Interesting, but what about Celtic cross in Serbia?
Is it a coincidence, or was it brought there in Middle ages by miners, craftmen or crusaders?

 

[oldeuropeanculture]

Not a coinicdence. And not brought to Serbia during medieval time. What we call "the Celtic cross" probably originated in the Balkans. It is not widespread. It is in the Balkans restricted to the area of the Carpathian and Balkan mountains, Eastern Serbia, Western Bulgaria. It is then found in Romania, Czech Republic...All the way up to the South Baltic. From South Baltic it probably crossed into Brittish isles....

This cross also appears in Langdoc as Cathar cross, then in Iberia in early medieval time as Gothic cross. Remember the Chernjakov culture....In the Balkans it is known as Bogumil cross. The area where we find the center of Bogumilism, from which Cathars developed by the way, was the area where in early medieval times we find both Celtic and Slavic archaeological remains....

Today it is still used as village cross in in Eastern Serbia and Romania (The area which once had large Serbian population)....

Have a look at this blog for more details.

http://balkancelts.files.wordpress.com/

This is the Journal of Celtic Studies in Eastern Europe and Asia-Minor and is exculsively dealing with Eastern European Celts...

There is a lot of things that we are only now discovering about both Celts, Slavs and Germanic people, their cultures and languages which will change quite a bit of what we think we know about them...

 

[Ike]

Not a coinicdence. And not brought to Serbia during medieval time. What we call "the Celtic cross" probably originated in the Balkans. It is not widespread. It is in the Balkans restricted to the area of the Carpathian and Balkan mountains, Eastern Serbia, Western Bulgaria. It is then found in Romania, Czech Republic...All the way up to the South Baltic. From South Baltic it probably crossed into Brittish isles....

This cross also appears in Langdoc as Cathar cross, then in Iberia in early medieval time as Gothic cross. Remember the Chernjakov culture....In the Balkans it is known as Bogumil cross. The area where we find the center of Bogumilism, from which Cathars developed by the way, was the area where in early medieval times we find both Celtic and Slavic archaeological remains....

Today it is still used as village cross in in Eastern Serbia and Romania (The area which once had large Serbian population)....

Have a look at this blog for more details.

http://balkancelts.files.wordpress.com/

This is the Journal of Celtic Studies in Eastern Europe and Asia-Minor and is exculsively dealing with Eastern European Celts...

There is a lot of things that we are only now discovering about both Celts, Slavs and Germanic people, their cultures and languages which will change quite a bit of what we think we know about them...

Think it's before Christ era?
Does those swastika's have anything to do with Kolovrat?

 

[Милан М.]

Not a coinicdence. And not brought to Serbia during medieval time. What we call "the Celtic cross" probably originated in the Balkans. It is not widespread. It is in the Balkans restricted to the area of the Carpathian and Balkan mountains, Eastern Serbia, Western Bulgaria. It is then found in Romania, Czech Republic...All the way up to the South Baltic. From South Baltic it probably crossed into Brittish isles....

This cross also appears in Langdoc as Cathar cross, then in Iberia in early medieval time as Gothic cross. Remember the Chernjakov culture....In the Balkans it is known as Bogumil cross. The area where we find the center of Bogumilism, from which Cathars developed by the way, was the area where in early medieval times we find both Celtic and Slavic archaeological remains....

Today it is still used as village cross in in Eastern Serbia and Romania (The area which once had large Serbian population)....

Have a look at this blog for more details.

http://balkancelts.files.wordpress.com/

This is the Journal of Celtic Studies in Eastern Europe and Asia-Minor and is exculsively dealing with Eastern European Celts...

There is a lot of things that we are only now discovering about both Celts, Slavs and Germanic people, their cultures and languages which will change quite a bit of what we think we know about them...

Very interesting thanks,I assumed that Slavic Bogomilism of the Balkans was some kind connected with Arianism of the Goths,Cathars in France were followers of same Bogomilism yes.

Bogomil cross

Celtic cross

 

[Милан М.]

Another similar things;

 

[oldeuropeanculture]

Ike, you might want to look at the series of articled I am writing about the Copper age and early Bronze age tumuluses from Montenegro and their link with the development and spreading of the Beaker culture to the Western Europe and Ireland.

You can start here:

http://oldeuropeanculture.blogspot.com/2015/07/bjelopavlici-tumulus.html

There is a distinct possibility the the Yamna people who arrived to Montenegro at the beginning of the 3rd millennium bc transformed there into Beaker single dolmen tumulus grave culture and then spread from there along the coast of Mediterranean to Spain and then to Ireland and Britain, completely bypassing the mainland Europe. They brought with them these symbols:



These symbols appear on Beaker burial bawls in Spain and on Irish gold Discs dated to around 2500 - 2000 bc. But they are found in Montenegro, both on bawls and on golden discs dated to 3000 bc - 2700 bc, hundreds of years earlier.... And they were found inside newly discovered single burial dolmen tumulus graves, or wedge tumbs, which are classified as "uniquely Irish cultural trait"...