PROPAGANDA : Ottoman Turks were Mongoloid

[Gurka atla]

There is stupid videos and stupid claims that modern Turkish are descendants of millions of Europeans Balkan Janissary white slaves, these videos were made by Greeks and Armenians. When the Ottomans ruled europe, there was only 2 million slaves brought to Europe from Turkey.


1. Turkish Mongoloid DNA on average is just 5 - 12% on average, with some being 13 - 17% and with a few being 18- 25%.






2. If Turks were originally 100% Mongoloid than certainly there be a Turkish Turk who is over 50% Mongoloid

1 Sample 18.5% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 18% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 17% Mongoloid admixture
3 Sample 15% Mongoloid admixture


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1 Sample 13.7% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 13.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 12.5% Mongoloid admixture


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1 Sample 8% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 3.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 2.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 2% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 0% Mongoloid admixture


Out of all these samples is the 18.5% is the highest so let's assume his ancestor full Mongoloid, his ancestor would only be around 37% Mongoloid

 

[Gurka atla]

Of course some people have explained why Turkish Mongoloid DNA have been diluted


1. Turkic invader and immigrants were only around a million, a minority compared with the 13 million ancient Anatolian inhabitants of Turkey so they couldn't have made them all Mongoloid influenced

2. Millions of Balkan slaves, Caucasus, including Turkified Greeks in Instanbul and Turkified Armenians in Southeast Turkey have diluted Turkish people Mongoloid blood.



Okay let's assume this................



Fact is Turkish numbered 70 million


2 million Balkan slaves mixed with Turkish and diluted
3 million Caucasus slaves
6 million Turkified Greeks
10 million Turkified Armenians

All of them have mixed like royal of Turks, Turkified and diluted Turkish Mongoloid but all this numbers 20 million, what about the 50 million untouched Turks?

 

[Gurka atla]

Turkification

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkification


Turkification (Turkish: Türkleşme when voluntary and Türkleştirme when involuntary) is the assimilation of individuals, entities, or cultures into the various historical Turkish states and cultures, especially the Ottoman Empire. As the Turkish states developed and grew there were many instances of this assimilation, voluntary and involuntary, including the Anatolian, Balkan, Caucasian and Middle Eastern peoples from different ethnic origins, such as the Albanians, Arabs, Armenians, Circassians, Greeks, Jews, Roma, various Slavic peoples, Iranian peoples such as Kurds, as well as Lazs from all the regions of Ottoman Empire and Iran. An early form of Turkification occurred in the time of the Seljuk Empire among the indigenous peoples of Anatolia, involving religious conversion, cultural and linguistic assimilation, and interethnic relationships.


ANOTHER STUPID CLAIM

Yeah.... another moron claiming nearly 1/3 of Turkish population are Turkified Kurd because Kurds used to be the original inhabitants of southeast Turkey and so they make up and non-Turkified turks make up 15.7%^[1]-25%^[2] of Turkish population and many Kurds who feared persecution so millions more assimilated as Turks and forgotten their heritage


But let's assume even there was 50 million Turkified Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and Balkan, nubians, Caucasus slaves mixed with Turkish. There is remains more than 20 millions untouched Turks




Let's look at the DNA of Azeris for example they have 5-22% Mongoloid admixture in Azeri but in Iran which was influenced by Mongol invasion of course will have highest Mongoloid DNA 10 - 29%. I have not heard Azeris absorbing millions of slaves when they conquered parts of middle east although there is a claim that Azeris were originally Iranic. But even if we agree 29% Mongoloid DNA in Azeris Iran was not from Mongolian invasion is still just 58%.

 

[Dianatomia]

Of course some people have explained why Turkish Mongoloid DNA have been diluted


1. Turkic invader and immigrants were only around a million, a minority compared with the 13 million ancient Anatolian inhabitants of Turkey so they couldn't have made them all Mongoloid influenced

2. Millions of Balkan slaves, Caucasus, including Turkified Greeks in Instanbul and Turkified Armenians in Southeast Turkey have diluted Turkish people Mongoloid blood.



Okay let's assume this................



Fact is Turkish numbered 70 million


2 million Balkan slaves mixed with Turkish and diluted
3 million Caucasus slaves
6 million Turkified Greeks
10 million Turkified Armenians

All of them have mixed like royal of Turks, Turkified and diluted Turkish Mongoloid but all this numbers 20 million, what about the 50 million untouched Turks?

I don't know how you made your calculations, but the world population in the 14th century was just around 400 million. The vast majority of people lived in China and India. Original Turks were nomads, scattered over the very densely populated region of Central Asia and they lived in tents (yurts). They numbered just a few million altogether and their life expectancy was very low.

Anatolia on the other hand was one of the most densely inhabited regions during that time and by no means could the original Turkish newcomers have close to the numbers of the indigenous populations. In many cases, by the 15th century, the majority of soldiers of the advancing Ottoman armies were not of Turkic origin, but mercenaries, slaves or converts (forced or voluntary).

Today Turkey has by far the largest population in the region, but in 1914 there were only 13 million muslims in Turkey (incl. arabs, kurds).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

These muslims are the leftovers of the Ottomans who for centuries have absorbed the indigenous inhabitants of those localities. As for how many of them are Armenians or Greeks? Surely Turks absorbed many native inhabitants, but we must be cautious in baptizing them Greeks or Armenians. I.e. As we can see from genetic testing today, modern Greeks (from both the mainland as well as Greeks from Asia minor) and all localities which have been colonized in large numbers by Ancient Greeks (Cyprus, Southern Italy, Marseille) have high amounts of haplogroup E-V13. In Turkey only the western edge of the country has reasonable amounts of this haplogroup. But as we go further inland it become negligible.
See:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml#M78

So we must be cautious in claiming Turks are in fact Greeks or Armenians. It is not that simple. Most of the people of Anatolia must be natives who have at some point been influenced by the Greek and Armenian church.

In any case, Greeks and Armenians have no mongoloid admixture while modern Turks do have some. This is an indication that Turks are to some extent descendants of the original Turks too while Greeks and Armenians are not. Yet, when we analyse the autosomal DNA of modern Turks in general, they are closer to Greeks and Armenians than to central Asians, or in any case close enough to the former two to know they are also partly related. This means that the Turks must have absorbed people who are to an extent genetically similar to Greeks and Armenians. I.e. Anatolians.

 

[toyomotor]

Gurka attla: When the Mongols invaded most of Europe and Asia, they were renowned for their raping and pillaging, but also for the fact that there were occasions when they would simply annexe a country, leaving it's ruling class in place, but enforcing a taxation. In many cases, soldiers of these countries joined with the raiding Mongols. Of course it's highly probable that Mongol blood flows through some Turkish veins, but to say that Turks are Mongols is going way too far.