Religion Prosecuting Christianity OFFTOPIC sabro vs SVF

[No-name]

Just because an Italian court chose to validate an extremist doesn't mean we have to. Remember that anti-semitism in Europe was legally valid for centuries in Europe. It doesn't make it right.

Although you have "proffered" your beliefs, you really have failed to back them up in any way and similar to this extremist with his mindless and bitter crusade only come off as an intolerant religious bigot intent on slamming the beliefs of others. Perhaps you should find a judge in Italy who will validate your sad endeavor.

You were offended when other's "flamed" you and compared you to a nazi, but it okay with you to slam a religion like this. What part of offensive do you not understand?

 

[strongvoicesforward]

Just because an Italian court chose to validate an extremist doesn't mean we have to.

Typical. Sabro, just because someone wants a fair hearing in a court setting where decisions are usually rendered on reason and logic, does not mean they are an extremist in a negative sense. Extremism could be seen as anything going against the mainstream. In that sense, Jesus was an extremist, wasn`t he? So was MLK and Ghandi?

Remember that anti-semitism in Europe was legally valid for centuries in Europe. It doesn't make it right.

Exactly! The majority which imposes on the minority does not mean their beliefs are right. The man bringing criminal action against the reverend is going up against society where many hold some kind of belief in Bible God. Just because many do and that fraud is accepted by many, does not mean it is right to let go unchallenged. Your statement actually supports my and his position. You just haven`t noticed it.

Although you have "proffered" your beliefs, you really have failed to back them up in any way...

Brother Sabro, you don`t have to declare that. Let the jury of lurkers make that decision up for themselves in their own minds. I am quite willing to let them do so before summerizing to them before all the arguments and points are laid out. I have a lot more to address to the jury. Please, save judgement for the 'end,' and I should remind you, then you will not be the 'judge' according to your own book.

...and similar to this extremist with his mindless and bitter crusade...

The reverend, who is the defendent in this case, is described by his own brother as "bitter." The man bringing the case and I and I assume many other Freethinkers are quite pleased with it. No bitterness on our part. Oh contraire! We are elated for a hearing in front of the court system! Been a long time in coming (like Jesus' 2nd Coming ).

...only come off as an intolerant religious bigot intent on slamming the beliefs of others.

It is not "slamming," -- it is prosecuting. I argue my point with reason and logic however, you may disagree. Now, if I just threw around expletives with "F" bombs and other disgusting metaphors, then that would be "slamming." What I am doing is exposing with critical analysis and adding in some wit here and there to spice things up -- which you are too sensitive about and therefore always shoot back with cries of "intolerance, bigot, hate, and bitter."

Perhaps you should find a judge in Italy who will validate your sad endeavor.

No need. We already have one. Haven`t you read the opening para of the thread. The reverend is going to criminal court. I assume a judge has already been appointed.

You were offended when other's "flamed" you and compared you to a nazi, but it okay with you to slam a religion like this. What part of offensive do you not understand?

I have not killed anyone or preached an ideology of killing a group of people for my benefit. The Bible, or at least it`s salesperson, is now in criminal court under scrutiny for fraud and deception. It has condoned and been complicit in the deaths of many. Bible God even killed children and ordered other to kill non combatants such as women and children between its covers. Bible God looks more like the true Hitler in that regards.

 

[No-name]

Typical. Sabro, just because someone wants a fair hearing in a court setting where decisions are usually rendered on reason and logic, does not mean they are an extremist in a negative sense. Extremism could be seen as anything going against the mainstream. In that sense, Jesus was an extremist, wasn`t he? So was MLK and Ghandi?
Exactly! The majority which imposes on the minority does not mean their beliefs are right. The man bringing criminal action against the reverend is going up against society where many hold some kind of belief in Bible God. Just because many do and that fraud is accepted by many, does not mean it is right to let go unchallenged. Your statement actually supports my and his position. You just haven`t noticed it.
Brother Sabro, you don`t have to declare that. Let the jury of lurkers make that decision up for themselves in their own minds. I am quite willing to let them do so before summerizing to them before all the arguments and points are laid out. I have a lot more to address to the jury. Please, save judgement for the 'end,' and I should remind you, then you will not be the 'judge' according to your own book.
The reverend, who is the defendent in this case, is described by his own brother as "bitter." The man bringing the case and I and I assume many other Freethinkers are quite pleased with it. No bitterness on our part. Oh contraire! We are elated for a hearing in front of the court system! Been a long time in coming (like Jesus' 2nd Coming ).
It is not "slamming," -- it is prosecuting. I argue my point with reason and logic however, you may disagree. Now, if I just threw around expletives with "F" bombs and other disgusting metaphors, then that would be "slamming." What I am doing is exposing with critical analysis and adding in some wit here and there to spice things up -- which you are too sensitive about and therefore always shoot back with cries of "intolerance, bigot, hate, and bitter."
No need. We already have one. Haven`t you read the opening para of the thread. The reverend is going to criminal court. I assume a judge has already been appointed.
I have not killed anyone or preached an ideology of killing a group of people for my benefit. The Bible, or at least it`s salesperson, is now in criminal court under scrutiny for fraud and deception. It has condoned and been complicit in the deaths of many. Bible God even killed children and ordered other to kill non combatants such as women and children between its covers. Bible God looks more like the true Hitler in that regards.

You my bitter friend are not Jesus, Gandhi, nor are you MLK. Your comparing yourself to them is nothing short of obscene.

I really really intended to be civil, and to answer your points here but YAWN. This is so overwhelmingly negative. I apologize for not being able to maintain my unilateral truce, but this is ridiculous. There is not a single statement in the above selection which conveys the presence of thought or intelligence. Absolutely nothing new, nor nothing of substance. Nothing in the way of logic or reason. Only a slam. You can't recognize a slam and you open yet another thread to slam christianity. You can't recognize how utterly offensive you are, and continually justify your boorish, arrogant and antagonistic behavior. You claim to be about ideas, but offer none. You get offended when others call you a nazi, yet you call millions of Christians nazi's. Then when called bigoted and intolerant, you claim that I am overly sensitive. your statements make you look like a bitter idiot, but you are too dense to see it. You are not clever, nor are you witty or funny. This is a slam by the way. No cussing, no "f-bombs" to offend your delicate sensibilities, but it is an offensive slam and intentionally so, none the less. This is done out of love my strongvoice friend as an instructive example. (Dismiss it as wit and don't get so sensitive.)

Please oh chess master, do not refer to me as "brother." I am not a franciscan, nor am I a dominican or a buddhist monk. I am not related to you. Nor do I feel some bond to you. I love you in a brotherly way, and if you need help, I will be glad to help you. But if your main goal in your self inflated quixotic task is simply to ridicule, denegrate and offend- I do not want to be linked in any way to you. I am both unwilling and unworthy. I remain your "pond."

Extremism for negative purposes is what Hitler practiced. You are like the anti-semitic nazi's before their rise to power: Spewing hateful invectives while clamoring for popular acceptance of thier "truth"(among your imagined jury of lurkers). The shrill persistant ridicule and whining is truly unbearable. Whatever childhood trauma visited by your parents in the name of Christianity must have been truly abhorrent to have generated such hateful venom. Perhaps one day you will come to terms with your inner pain and rejoin the community of mankind in a spirit of brotherhood and respect. At that point I will be proud to call you brother.

 

[strongvoicesforward]

A lot was there for you to address, Sabro. Obviously, you can`t. I know, you have been backed into a corner with logic and reason and it is therefore better to just side step it.

Engage when you feel capable and not overly sensitive. I am always here.

 

[No-name]

A lot was there for you to address, Sabro. Obviously, you can`t. I know, you have been backed into a corner with logic and reason and it is therefore better to just side step it.
Engage when you feel capable and not overly sensitive. I am always here.

Would you like another address? I felt the last one was quite capable.

There is no logic or reason in your statement. Perhaps you are unclear on both concepts.

Hitler was a vegetarian.

 

[strongvoicesforward]

Hitler was a vegetarian.

No, he wasn`t. He had a fondness for Bavarian Sausages which he ate.

But, since you brought the topic of "vegetarianism" up in a Bible related thread; Bible God's original plan was for man to be vegetarian. Only after he sinned was eating meat instituted. Before that, he lived in the Garden of Eden with all the animals looking for a "suitable" helper. <snicker snicker>

Stalin ate meat. You eat meat. Hmmmm...I wouldn`t conclude anything from that strange logical construct, but since you bring up Hitler (erroniously might I add) being a vegetarian, I guess you can conclude something about yourself and Stalin.

 

[No-name]

How do you know that I eat meat? I love meat... but...
Hitler claimed to be a vegetarian. Why don't you quote him? Google "Hitler" and "vegetarian" and you come up with thousands of quotes. Himmler was a vegetarian.

http://www.slate.com/id/2096259/

 

[Tsuyoiko]

Instead of turning this into yet another slanging match, it might be useful to follow the link I provided in post #3, and find out a bit more about this Cascioli guy.

 

[nurizeko]

In before the lock.
Thankyou, SVF for bringing this article to our attention, i do enjoy catching up on the news online.

 

[No-name]

My bickering has gone on too long and angered the gods. Apparently I broke some rules and I have been asked by an admin that I respect that I ignore Strongvoicesforward. It has been somewhat fun, but I am glad it is over.

 

[Mycernius]

Fair enough, sabro. I will lock this thread to prevent any more problems as well:wave:

 

[Maciamo]

Just because an Italian court chose to validate an extremist doesn't mean we have to. Remember that anti-semitism in Europe was legally valid for centuries in Europe. It doesn't make it right.

I thought that "right" and "wrong" were relative concepts, and depended on the age and culture in which one happened to be...