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Thanks much.
Well, we're still in disagreement.I did say south (all south) and south-east but was referring to phenotypes.
And John Koch :Tartessian, the first Celtic language:
http://www.wales.ac.uk/Resources/Documents/Research/ODonnell.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessian_language
Interesting details about the Celts in Spain. I read that the Celts were
the first immigrants in the Iberian Peninsula (about 500 BC). But which
kind of tribes did live before the Celts's arrival? Iberian tribes?
Did Celtic tribes invade Belgium, Netherlands and north of Germany?
Even in Belgium the presence of the Celts is doubtful. Who were the Belgae?
Germanic tribes with Celtic names and who spoke a Celtic language
like the Germans and Russian spoke in the 18e century French?
Some archeologists think that first celts arrived with Bell Beaker in third millenium BCE in Iberia Peninsula. From here they spread on all Atlantic Facade, then in North Alps.The Tartessians of south-west Iberia may have been the FIRST Celts. Read the links Wilhelm and I posted above.
The growing consensus is that Celticity did not originate in Central Europe. Growing evidence indicates a Bronze Age Atlantic Facade origin.
Some archeologists think that first celts arrived with Bell Beaker in third millenium BCE in Iberia Peninsula. From here they spread on all Atlantic Facade, then in North Alps.
Only in Iron Ages, contacts between celts of North Alps and Greeks and Etruscans give the Hallstatt culture.
Thanks Cambria.
Thanks Cambria.
Lorrio and Zapatero about the Celts in Iberia :
http://www4.uwm.edu/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_4/lorrio_zapatero_6_4.pdf
I've never read of traces of any Celtic language having ever been found in Southern German, Austria or Switzerland.The Celtic Culture and languages arose about 1000 BC as the Latene Culture in Northeast-France, Southern Germany and Switserland-Austria.
A theory is that the Celts might have expand from the Iberian Peninsula. The expansion of the Celts from La Tene is an idea proposed in the nineteenth century, with little evidence, but which it has been assumed as right until recently, for the lack of other proposals.I suppose that the earliest Celts arrived in the Iberian Peninsula about 500 BC.
"blond" is a trait that has highest frequencies among the Finns, a largely Uralic people.Generally they were blond/red haired with blue eyes like the Germanic tribes. Read the classic authors. They became much darker by intermingling with the Alpines and Mediterraneans.
Define "related".I cannot believe that only the Celts brought the R1b. It is an unbelievable thing that the darkhaired mediterranean Spaniard is related the British, Dutch and Danish man and have a commun male ancestor R1 b.
I've heard something, but not much. It's only a proposal for a group of western people north of the Celtic peoples, but still unrelated to the Germanic peoples.Two days ago I read the message on rokus01worldpress. I understand that the Celtic influence was slight in the Netherlands. Who can give more information about the so-called Northwest Block?
At which time? In early times they lived west of the Rhine.The real Celtic tribes lived south of the Canche and Marne.
I think that all that can be said is that the Belgae were a western people. Definitely not German.Maybe the Belgae were not a real Celtic or Germanic tribe.
If looking at the archetypical Germanic, there are traits that resemble much the archetypical Slavic.But where did the real Germanic speaking people live before the Romans's arrival?
There is no "north" of the Rhine. It is east of the Rhine that sometimes is said north of it.It strikes me that it always is assumed that the Cis Rhenani came from the east side of the Rhine. But why not from the north of Rhine?
The Germanics were already pushing towards the west at the time when the Romans arrived there. So the Romans would have found some Germanic tribesmen already settled west of the Rhine.Tacitus wrote that the first Germanic speaking tribe, who invaded Belgium, were the Tungri.They established themselves in the Belgian place of Tongeren. But is it known that in the Dutch province of Gelderland (region Veluwe) there exist a village called Tongeren. And is there any relation between the Belgian town Leuven and the village Leuvenum in the region of Veluwe?
Herodotus wrote that Celtic tribes lived in Switserland, Austria and
south-Germany. And also in Bohemia. See the Hallstatt and Latene Culture.
Fair hair are most characteristic for the northwest european people like
the Germanic tribes, not the Uralics who are originally mongolic.
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