R1b L51-L11 Germanic Italo Celts: Rulers and conqueres of Bronze-Iron age west Europe

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All we know just about for sure is the Indo European language, culture, and religion started around Russia, Ukraine, north middle east about 6,000-8,000ybp.

You can somehwat speculatively trace back the CULTURE further than that if you care to, at the very least to persia. The bull cult made it all the way to iberia. Maybe even to indus valley civilization.