R1b subclade table based on 59K FtDNA samples

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######################   P312   U106   L151    L51  Z2103    L23 PF7562   M269    V88  PH155    R1b    R1a     R1     R2      R  R1b-* !ISOGG  other   all
           Afghanistan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  19.51   2.44   0.00   2.44   0.00   0.00  75.61    41
               Albania   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.00  10.00   0.00   2.00   0.00   4.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  18.00   4.00  78.00    50
               Algeria   1.32   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.64   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.66   0.00   0.00   0.66   5.96   0.00  92.72   151
               Armenia   0.78   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.69   5.21   0.26   8.85   0.00   0.00   0.52   3.39   0.00   0.26   0.00  22.66   2.34  73.70   384
               Austria   3.92   1.96   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   9.80   0.00   0.00   0.00  18.14   0.00   0.00   0.00  19.61   3.92  62.25   204
            Azerbaijan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.79   0.00   1.79  14.29   0.00   0.00   0.89   7.14   1.79   0.00   0.00  18.75   0.00  72.32   112
               Bahrain   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.56   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.56   0.00   5.06   0.00   0.56   0.00   1.69   0.56  92.70   178
               Belarus   2.27   0.91   0.00   0.00   0.23   0.00   0.45   2.72   0.00   0.00   0.00  24.72   0.23   0.45   0.00   9.07   2.49  65.53   441
               Belgium  11.99   8.61   1.12   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  28.46   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.49   0.00   0.00   0.00  56.93   6.74  38.58   267
Bosnia and Herzegovina   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   3.19   0.00   0.00   0.00  34.04   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.26   1.06  61.70    94
                Brazil   8.82   1.47   1.47   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  23.53   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.41   0.00   0.00   0.00  39.71   4.41  55.88    68
              Bulgaria   2.53   0.63   0.00   0.00   3.48   0.63   0.32   3.80   0.00   0.00   0.32  11.71   0.00   0.00   0.00  13.29   1.58  75.00   316
                Canada   7.78   1.67   0.00   0.00   0.56   0.00   0.00  41.11   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.78   0.00   0.00   0.00  57.22   6.11  40.00   180
                 China   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.25   1.25   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  97.50    80
               Croatia   0.98   0.98   0.98   0.98   0.98   0.98   0.00   3.92   0.00   0.00   0.00  17.65   0.00   0.00   0.00   9.80   0.00  72.55   102
        Czech Republic   5.26   3.95   0.00   0.00   0.88   0.00   0.00   5.70   0.00   0.00   0.00  30.70   0.88   0.00   0.00  19.74   3.95  48.68   228
               Denmark   4.60   7.11   0.42   0.00   0.00   0.21   0.00  17.36   0.00   0.00   0.42  10.67   0.63   0.00   0.00  33.47   3.35  55.23   478
                 Egypt   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.67   0.00   0.00   0.56   1.11   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.22   0.00  96.67   180
               England   9.94   9.40   0.31   0.07   0.13   0.07   0.05  22.99   0.02   0.00   0.59   4.80   0.23   0.02   0.02  51.73   8.17  43.21  6107
               Estonia   1.56   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   7.81   0.00   0.00   0.00  26.56   0.00   0.00   0.00  12.50   3.12  60.94    64
               Finland   0.70   0.81   0.04   0.00   0.04   0.00   0.00   1.75   0.00   0.00   0.00   5.19   0.04   0.00   0.00   4.07   0.74  90.70  2851
                France  16.74   2.43   0.49   0.00   0.27   0.32   0.00  34.88   0.05   0.00   0.49   2.16   0.11   0.00   0.00  61.50   5.83  36.23  1852
               Georgia   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.88   0.00   0.00   6.58   0.00   0.00   0.44   4.61   0.22   0.44   0.00   8.11   0.22  86.62   456
               Germany   6.07   6.91   0.32   0.06   0.32   0.17   0.00  13.59   0.03   0.00   0.14  11.63   0.32   0.00   0.00  33.00   5.38  55.06  3458
                Greece   0.76   0.19   0.00   0.00   0.96   0.96   0.00  12.43   0.19   0.00   0.38   4.78   0.38   0.38   0.38  16.44   0.57  77.63   523
               Hungary   2.87   2.87   0.15   0.30   0.60   0.45   0.00   8.45   0.15   0.00   0.00  22.93   0.45   0.15   0.00  17.04   1.21  59.43   663
                 India   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.28   0.28   0.00   1.13   0.00   0.28   0.28  33.90   0.56  11.30   0.85   2.26   0.00  51.13   354
                  Iran   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.56   2.82   0.00   3.39   0.00   0.00   0.56   6.78   0.00   4.52   0.00   7.91   0.56  80.79   177
                  Iraq   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.62   0.10   0.21   3.91   0.00   0.00   0.51   5.14   0.41   0.82   0.00   5.76   0.41  87.86   972
               Ireland  21.18   2.45   0.21   0.08   0.07   0.03   0.02  40.49   0.00   0.00   0.39   2.37   0.97   0.08   0.00  75.04  10.11  21.54  6113
                 Italy   6.91   1.21   0.07   0.28   1.64   0.50   0.36  12.75   0.00   0.07   0.71   3.85   0.36   0.07   0.00  27.28   2.78  68.45  1404
                 Japan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00    86
                Jordan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.93   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.93   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.93   0.00  98.15   108
            Kazakhstan   0.26   0.26   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.52   0.00   1.82   0.00   0.00   0.52  15.32   1.56   0.78   1.04   4.68   1.30  76.62   385
                Kuwait   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.59   0.00   0.00   0.79   0.20   0.00   0.00   6.48   0.20   0.20   0.00   1.96   0.39  91.16   509
            Kyrgyzstan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.96   0.00   0.00   1.96  52.94   0.00   0.00   0.00   3.92   0.00  43.14    51
                Latvia   1.57   1.57   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   6.30   0.00   0.00   0.00  18.90   0.79   0.79   0.00  10.24   0.79  69.29   127
               Lebanon   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   3.70   0.00   0.00   1.85   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.85   0.62   0.00   0.00   5.56   0.00  91.98   162
                 Libya   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.18   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.59   0.59   0.59   0.00   1.18   0.00  97.04   169
             Lithuania   0.88   1.77   0.00   0.00   0.53   0.00   0.00   3.53   0.00   0.00   0.00  24.56   1.24   0.53   0.00   8.13   1.41  65.55   566
                Mexico  11.21   1.40   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.47  18.69   0.00   0.00   0.93   0.93   0.00   0.00   0.00  37.38   4.67  61.68   214
               Moldova   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   8.70   0.00   0.00   0.00  13.04   0.00   2.17   0.00  10.87   2.17  73.91    46
               Morocco   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.97   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.97   0.00  97.03   101
           Netherlands   7.35  10.19   0.90   0.15   0.15   0.00   0.00  20.84   0.15   0.00   0.60   3.60   0.15   0.00   0.00  44.53   4.20  51.72   667
      Northern Ireland  23.20   2.21   0.55   0.00   0.18   0.00   0.00  25.78   0.00   0.00   0.18   4.24   0.92   0.00   0.00  65.01  12.89  29.83   543
                Norway   4.69   4.00   0.13   0.06   0.19   0.00   0.00  13.33   0.00   0.00   0.06  23.40   0.25   0.00   0.00  26.03   3.57  50.31  1598
                  Oman   0.00   1.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.00   0.00   1.00   0.00   1.00   0.00  94.00   100
              Pakistan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.49   0.00   0.00   1.12  32.58   0.00   3.37   0.00   5.62   0.00  58.43    89
 Palestinian Territory   0.93   0.00   0.00   0.93   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.78   0.93   0.00   0.93   1.85   0.00   0.00   0.00   6.48   0.00  91.67   108
           Philippines   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.59   1.59  98.41    63
                Poland   1.49   1.71   0.09   0.04   0.47   0.21   0.00   5.93   0.04   0.00   0.04  45.42   0.17   0.17   0.00  12.37   2.35  41.88  2345
              Portugal  13.03   1.06   0.15   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  28.94   0.15   0.00   0.76   3.03   0.61   0.15   0.00  48.33   4.24  47.88   660
           Puerto Rico  22.39   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  26.87   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.49   0.00   0.00   0.00  52.24   2.99  46.27    67
                 Qatar   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.82   0.00   0.00   0.00   7.79   0.00   0.41   0.82   1.64   0.82  89.34   244
               Romania   2.53   1.01   0.00   0.00   1.52   0.00   0.51   4.04   0.00   0.00   0.51  11.62   0.00   0.00   0.00  11.11   1.01  77.27   198
    Russian Federation   0.42   0.57   0.00   0.00   0.77   0.11   0.00   3.03   0.04   0.00   0.34  31.77   0.57   0.08   0.00   6.21   0.92  61.36  2609
          Saudi Arabia   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.11   0.04   0.04   0.54   0.32   0.00   0.32   2.90   0.11   0.22   0.07   1.68   0.32  95.02  2790
              Scotland  15.20   3.70   0.23   0.02   0.08   0.04   0.00  37.61   0.00   0.00   0.45   5.16   0.41   0.02   0.00  68.08  10.75  26.32  4863
                Serbia   0.00   1.06   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   3.19   0.00   0.00   0.00  27.66   0.00   0.00   0.00   5.32   1.06  67.02    94
              Slovakia   0.47   2.79   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.65   0.00   0.00   0.00  38.14   0.00   0.47   0.00   9.77   1.86  51.63   215
              Slovenia   1.41   5.63   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   7.04   0.00   0.00   0.00  43.66   0.00   0.00   0.00  14.08   0.00  42.25    71
                 Spain  14.58   0.97   0.24   0.12   0.30   0.36   0.00  34.36   0.00   0.00   0.60   2.12   0.30   0.00   0.06  54.14   2.60  43.38  1653
                 Sudan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.12   1.59   0.00   1.59   0.53   0.53   0.00   0.53   5.29   0.00  93.12   189
                Sweden   4.24   5.36   0.05   0.05   0.16   0.11   0.00   9.23   0.00   0.00   0.05  15.24   0.05   0.00   0.00  24.30   5.04  60.41  1864
           Switzerland   7.21   5.61   0.20   0.40   0.20   0.40   0.00  13.43   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.61   0.00   0.20   0.00  33.27   5.81  63.93   499
  Syrian Arab Republic   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   3.42   0.00   0.00   0.85   4.27   0.00   1.71   0.85   4.27   0.00  88.89   117
               Tunisia   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.21   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.94   0.00   0.74   0.00   2.21   0.00  94.12   136
                Turkey   1.01   0.00   0.00   0.17   3.36   2.86   0.34   5.71   0.00   0.17   0.00   5.21   0.17   1.51   0.00  14.29   0.67  78.82   595
               Ukraine   0.91   1.11   0.00   0.00   0.30   0.10   0.20   2.72   0.20   0.00   0.30  25.98   0.30   0.30   0.00   7.15   1.31  66.26   993
  United Arab Emirates   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.20   0.20   0.00   2.04   0.00   0.00   0.00   9.18   0.82   0.82   0.20   2.65   0.20  86.33   490
        United Kingdom  10.93   7.90   0.04   0.16   0.16   0.08   0.04  26.45   0.04   0.00   0.47   4.60   0.39   0.00   0.00  52.59   6.33  42.41  2544
         United States  11.56   6.63   0.13   0.32   0.19   0.00   0.06  25.27   0.00   0.00   0.06   4.80   0.32   0.00   0.00  57.23  13.01  37.65  1583
            Uzbekistan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   3.23   4.84   1.61   3.23   0.00   6.45   3.23  83.87    62
                 Wales  19.80   4.04   0.40   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  23.43   0.00   0.00   0.81   1.62   0.00   0.00   0.00  58.38   9.90  40.00   495
                 Yemen   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.63   0.00   0.00   0.00   3.46   0.00   0.31   0.00   0.63   0.00  95.60   318
                   ALL   7.95   3.39   0.16   0.06   0.35   0.18   0.05  17.92   0.05   0.01   0.33   9.91   0.36   0.21   0.03  35.13   5.01  54.03 60539
Only listing countries with more than 40 samples.

Edit: It looks like FtDNA has a lot of people who used older tests of low quality who report as M269.

The R1b-* row lists the total of all R1b subclades for the given country.

Edit: Fixed a few minor SNP conversion errors.
Edit: Added another 1000 samples.
 
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Sorry if this question is too dumb but bear with me here. If you look at a value for example England under M269 of 22.99, is that the terminal SNP of those individuals? Does it include individuals with P312 and U106 (both of which are downstream of M269)? Or is it excluding positives for downstream subclades?
R1b-* is really helpful as it's meaning is clear. Thanks for the information as I was searching for it for a few days!
 
It's my understanding that there's more M269 then there should be, there are a wide variety of explanations for this.

1. People taking the 12 marker test (which is no longer available)
2. I've heard the FtDNA test itself is unreliable.
3. Intentionally low quality detection software due to incompetence or in order to force people to upgrade.
 
So if you are positive for U106, L151, and L51 you would be included in all three in this sampling?
 
They are all terminal except for R1b-* which is the sum of all R1b haplogroups. Downstream haplogroups are placed in the proper upstream. !ISOGG are R- haplogroups not listed on ISOGG or YFull.
 
Thanks Expredel!. R-M269 is huge and overrepresented from what I have investigated if you look at "terminal" SNPs. I say "terminal" because as you said:

- People with cheap DNA tests are catalogued as R-M269 as downstream tests are not included. It is not really terminal, but "as far as you went"
- Positive results for additional SNPs, buried in the raw data and BAM files, or even STRs that point to a specific subclade, are not reported so the subject is tempted to find out more and buy additional tests.

So R-M269 includes all R-L51, Z2103, R-PF7562, etc. and deeper subclades of people that have not tested deeper.

I'll try to find out, but are there living people with real terminal R-M269? That means being negative to all known subclades (and even unknown)
 

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