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Immigration Racism in Europe

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I just heard the German Chancellor- and I believe it was him and not a translator answering the question in fluent, eloquent English-- saying that the President of Iran is welcome in Germany in spite of having made anti-Semitic comments. He seemed quite aware and was not denying his country's past and the critical issues at hand. It made me think about what kind of difficulties people of color, non-european ethnicities, have in Europe.

My wife's cousin lives in Paris and seems to love it. He says there is far less racism (as a New Orleans Creole) in Paris than in the US.

What is your opinion of racism in Europe? How prevalent? How much of a "problem"?
 
Rigorously speaking, I think racism is rife. It prevails in all races and ethnicities and in most people. The sole divergence is the expanse of a person's 'racist' demeanour. In its most pernicious form, I think having discrimination towards a particular race, or establishing a (negative) stereotype of a race can comprise racist behaviour.

I cannot make comparison between Europe and America as I never lived in the US. I am unsure whether people?fs comments on the internet is usable as a guideline of how racist average Americans are (yes, unfortunately I have read many very racist comments from redneck Americans in many other places in the internet).

I have relatives in the US, some love it there while others seem to have suffered racism, I think it depends on the person?fs reaction to things and who they meet in their lives.

If I am to compare racism in Europe versus Australia, I am not sure whether people here are more racist than Australians or not. I think I am protected by my husband here, also I don't work here. I think when you do work and go to school you are more likely to encounter things than if you just stay at home and be a housewife and go shopping and accompany husband at weekend to places.
 
sabro said:
I just heard the German Chancellor- and I believe it was him and not a translator answering the question in fluent, eloquent English-- saying that the President of Iran is welcome in Germany in spite of having made anti-Semitic comments. He seemed quite aware and was not denying his country's past and the critical issues at hand. It made me think about what kind of difficulties people of color, non-european ethnicities, have in Europe.
The irony is that (Middle-Eastern) Muslims, including Iranians, are more the victims of racism in Europe nowadays than the Jews. I have personally never heard anybody making racist comments about Jews in Europe (except maybe old-fashioned jokes that they didn't really mean). The prime targets are Arabs, Turks and Black Africans (Iranians are too few in Europe to cause mass hysteria).
My wife's cousin lives in Paris and seems to love it. He says there is far less racism (as a New Orleans Creole) in Paris than in the US.
What is your opinion of racism in Europe? How prevalent? How much of a "problem"?
I believe that racism in the US and Europe is quite different. In the US it is about organised discrimination and violence (e.g. the KKK, Black voters losing voting rights). It is directly mostly towards Blacks (or towards Whites by Blacks) and has a long history going back to colonial slavery.
In Europe, racism is not so much based on race itself as in cultural and behavioural difference. It is directly at recent immigrants typically poor and coming from very different cultures, and who have serious adaptation problems. So it's more like socio-economico-cultural intolerance than properly "racism". The best proof is that those who are most targeted are North Africans, who do not look so different racially-speaking from southern Europeans (yet enough to be differentiated in most cases). Yet Southern Europeans, who as numerous as North Africans in France or Belgium, do not pose any problem to their host society as they adapt well, and therefore are not criticised. North Africans who adapt well (e.g. some French actors or singers) are so-to-say never victims of "racism/criticism", because it is not based on race by socio-cultural adaptation.

In fact I found Europeans to be incredibly tolerant compared to what they have to cope with. European governments are in fact much too tolerant and kind-hearted with illegal immigrants and long-term immigrants that do not adapt well. In comparison, Japan, Asian countries and even the USA, Canada and Australia are much stricter and tougher with those immigrants. Frankly, what government naturalise even illegal immigrants once they have been 5 years (illegaly) in the country ? (Belgium does) What government gives ID or passports to all the illegal immigrants on its territory one every 2 years ? (Italy does) What country gives residency rights to people who haven't even applied for it ? (Belgium does). What country gives tax-payers money to recent immigrants who don't have a job when some of the country's nationals do not even qualify for it ? (several continental European countries do). Talk about racism ! Soon it will be illegal to be white in Europe by government's decision !
 
In the US today, overt racism and bigotry is definitely unacceptable to the general public except in small circles that find it acceptable. But institutional racism and subtle prejudices and stereotypes still exist. You find it comming out in the debate over immigration.

As for Europe: That is good to know. Thanks Maciamo.
 
I have seen some disturbing news. There appears to be racist surge continuing to strife in Russia. Dark serious profound racism has mushroomed in the post soviet Russia. A xenophobia group known as?h The Skin heads?h acting in such open way of their hated towards foreigners is out of control. Videos of them assaulting foreigners in their countries are not hard to find at all.:shock:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2131214.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4969296.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/114626.stm
 
Hope you notcied that the 3rd article is 8 years old... :bluush:
 
Maciamo said:
Hope you notcied that the 3rd article is 8 years old... :bluush:

I saw this on the news a while back, so I decided to share this information here, I went online and found something equivalent from BBC world, and from the first two websites, there's a link to the third news I posted, although it was 8 years old I supposed this problem has prevailed to present day.
 
not just in europe or the Us .. racism is there everywhere. In africa,india,arab countries etc. The thing is that we europeans and even in USA people only react to any racist incident if it's dome by a white. Otherwise they ignore it or downplays it or worse justify it. So let's be honest if the racist groups are getting support is it just becoz of their ideology of the one sidedness of the people who should be acting fair
 
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